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Post by thevoid on Apr 26, 2019 12:38:42 GMT
I nearly smashed my TV just when he said the UK parliament are ignoring the people who voted for independence. It's unbelievable isn't it ? They really just don't get it do they ? It's perfectly okay to say things like that when it suits their agenda and beliefs on Indyref2, but then it's okay for them to completely ignore the same situation when it's something they disagree with such as Brexit. All I see is their continued words and actions (or lack of) just adding to the ever increasing anger of the Leave voters. Little Scotlanders.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 26, 2019 12:41:30 GMT
I'm posting my opinion on your relevant information about a new political party. Well copy and paste some Tweets you agree with. No-one's stopping you. Is anyone stopping me posting my opinion without using a political party's propaganda?
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Post by franklin66 on Apr 26, 2019 12:50:04 GMT
I nearly smashed my TV just when he said the UK parliament are ignoring the people who voted for independence. It's unbelievable isn't it ? They really just don't get it do they ? It's perfectly okay to say things like that when it suits their agenda and beliefs on Indyref2, but then it's okay for them to completely ignore the same situation when it's something they disagree with such as Brexit. All I see is their continued words and actions (or lack of) just adding to the ever increasing anger of the Leave voters. It drives me mad that he's not pulled up over it. It was mentioned but he just said it totally different!!!! These weasel faced racist fuckwits should be mullered on live tv. I would not stop until they admit they are lying hypocrits.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 26, 2019 12:59:57 GMT
Well copy and paste some Tweets you agree with. No-one's stopping you. Is anyone stopping me posting my opinion without using a political party's propaganda? Yous post about the people on the board more than the issues. I suppose as long as it keeps you occupied and amused it's part of the service.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 13:21:47 GMT
Well copy and paste some Tweets you agree with. No-one's stopping you. Is anyone stopping me posting my opinion without using a political party's propaganda? Rip every one is free to post whatever they want (within the Forum rules obviously) What I don't understand is why you have to be so seemingly argumentative and belligerent over just about everything, not just Brexit, the Tories, Steptoe, or whatever the subject matter is. If you're that unhappy on here why do you bother in the first place ?
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Post by thevoid on Apr 26, 2019 13:25:29 GMT
Well copy and paste some Tweets you agree with. No-one's stopping you. Is anyone stopping me posting my opinion without using a political party's propaganda? You've lost me. If you think there's too much Brexit Party propaganda- and considering most people (from both sides) on this thread have probably made up their mind on the matter it's hardly going to make a difference in the grand scheme of things anyway- post some items that reflect an alternative point of view rather than spamming the thread with sarcastic remarks that don't contribute anything of substance. I mean, you keep glibly hinting that you haven't made your mind up on the issue and that you're weighing up all options, but I think your opinions on Leave/Farage/Brexit Party are clear enough. Otherwise these Tweets wouldn't bother you.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 26, 2019 14:51:13 GMT
Is anyone stopping me posting my opinion without using a political party's propaganda? Rip every one is free to post whatever they want (within the Forum rules obviously) What I don't understand is why you have to be so seemingly argumentative and belligerent over just about everything, not just Brexit, the Tories, Steptoe, or whatever the subject matter is. If you're that unhappy on here why do you bother in the first place ? I'm not unhappy on here. Admittedly it's not the decent conversation it once was, and opinions have become more and more extreme, but ultimately I find it quite amusing to see some of the propaganda posted on here. Every now and again I make a comment on it. It's also recently become a decent observation on the cult of personality regarding Nigel Farage, and every now and again someone comes along that can have a decent conversation regarding Brexit.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 26, 2019 15:42:43 GMT
I'm not unhappy on here. Admittedly it's not the decent conversation it once was, and opinions have become more and more extreme, but ultimately I find it quite amusing to see some of the propaganda posted on here. Every now and again I make a comment on it. It's also recently become a decent observation on the cult of personality regarding Nigel Farage, and every now and again someone comes along that can have a decent conversation regarding Brexit. Isn't that just an even more arrogant way of saying "Brexit voters are thickos who fell for a bunch of lies"?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 15:47:14 GMT
Full lists of candidates have been released today.
For those who are interested the Brexit Party list is on their website for the various regions including the West Midlands and the North West.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 26, 2019 15:48:01 GMT
Rip every one is free to post whatever they want (within the Forum rules obviously) What I don't understand is why you have to be so seemingly argumentative and belligerent over just about everything, not just Brexit, the Tories, Steptoe, or whatever the subject matter is. If you're that unhappy on here why do you bother in the first place ? I'm not unhappy on here. Admittedly it's not the decent conversation it once was, and opinions have become more and more extreme, but ultimately I find it quite amusing to see some of the propaganda posted on here. Every now and again I make a comment on it. It's also recently become a decent observation on the cult of personality regarding Nigel Farage, and every now and again someone comes along that can have a decent conversation regarding Brexit. Why do you think that Farage has become a cult ( your view). I've heard Corbyn described as a cult ( or something similar) in respect of his following of impressionable youngsters....do you think that he and Farage are similar in this respect?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 26, 2019 15:53:16 GMT
I'm not unhappy on here. Admittedly it's not the decent conversation it once was, and opinions have become more and more extreme, but ultimately I find it quite amusing to see some of the propaganda posted on here. Every now and again I make a comment on it. It's also recently become a decent observation on the cult of personality regarding Nigel Farage, and every now and again someone comes along that can have a decent conversation regarding Brexit. Isn't that just an even more arrogant way of saying "Brexit voters are thickos who fell for a bunch of lies"? No, because I wasn't talking about Brexit voters. I was talking about this particular thread.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 26, 2019 16:04:01 GMT
I wonder how the Scots would react if, had they voted 'Yes', they were still awaiting independence after three years.
I don't think they'd be too happy.
There's an independence supporting paper up there called The National and their comments section makes The Daily Mail look like The Guardian 😎
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 26, 2019 16:05:44 GMT
I'm not unhappy on here. Admittedly it's not the decent conversation it once was, and opinions have become more and more extreme, but ultimately I find it quite amusing to see some of the propaganda posted on here. Every now and again I make a comment on it. It's also recently become a decent observation on the cult of personality regarding Nigel Farage, and every now and again someone comes along that can have a decent conversation regarding Brexit. Why do you think that Farage has become a cult ( your view). I've heard Corbyn described as a cult ( or something similar) in respect of his following of impressionable youngsters....do you think that he and Farage are similar in this respect? Well I think a large proportion of the previous support for UKIP was for Farage as a person, and it seems to be continuing with the Brexit Party (to a lesser degree as the Brexit Party seem to have a few biggish name politicians in their locker as well). I think he understands well that the image he has created of himself is the best vote-winner that the party has - so make it more about Farage and less about the party, and there will be more success. It is personality over politics - he's not the only one doing this of course, but I think he's doing it to a higher degree.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 26, 2019 16:15:33 GMT
Why do you think that Farage has become a cult ( your view). I've heard Corbyn described as a cult ( or something similar) in respect of his following of impressionable youngsters....do you think that he and Farage are similar in this respect? Well I think a large proportion of the previous support for UKIP was for Farage as a person, and it seems to be continuing with the Brexit Party (to a lesser degree as the Brexit Party seem to have a few biggish name politicians in their locker as well). I think he understands well that the image he has created of himself is the best vote-winner that the party has - so make it more about Farage and less about the party, and there will be more success. It is personality over politics - he's not the only one doing this of course, but I think he's doing it to a higher degree. I think that the important thing is, in UK political history, that we are at a crisis point an unknown and people are looking for leadership and the current bunch are not up to scratch. I think what is very significant is that those who have put them forward as prospective MEPs are not stupid. In fact very independent minded. They are not following Farage in a similar way to people joining cults ( Corbyn's youth wing is closer to that). .. these are largely ( in my opinion) responsible, level headed people who fully recognise what is going on and have openly and willingly followed the BREXIT party because the main issues of BREXIT and more importantly Democracy resonate with them . They don't need persuading or brain washing( sorry if that bit is politically incorrect).
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 26, 2019 16:50:03 GMT
Well I think a large proportion of the previous support for UKIP was for Farage as a person, and it seems to be continuing with the Brexit Party (to a lesser degree as the Brexit Party seem to have a few biggish name politicians in their locker as well). I think he understands well that the image he has created of himself is the best vote-winner that the party has - so make it more about Farage and less about the party, and there will be more success. It is personality over politics - he's not the only one doing this of course, but I think he's doing it to a higher degree. I think that the important thing is, in UK political history, that we are at a crisis point an unknown and people are looking for leadership and the current bunch are not up to scratch. I think what is very significant is that those who have put them forward as prospective MEPs are not stupid. In fact very independent minded. They are not following Farage in a similar way to people joining cults ( Corbyn's youth wing is closer to that). .. these are largely ( in my opinion) responsible, level headed people who fully recognise what is going on and have openly and willingly followed the BREXIT party because the main issues of BREXIT and more importantly Democracy resonate with them . They don't need persuading or brain washing( sorry if that bit is politically incorrect). I was more talking about the voters of the Brexit Party, more than people are are joining to stand the European elections. I think there's a whiff of the Corbyn about Farage although they're obviously opposite ends of the spectrum, and it's only really the extreme fringe elements that seem to push his personality to the fore. Obviously you think the Brexit Party people are level-headed and the Labour people are brainwashed, and they probably think the other way round. Each side have their extreme, blind followers who can see no wrong but there's also a larger majority of people who vote for them because they think they can provide a solution to the problems of today. At the moment Labour have far more checks and balances to reign in any leader and make them answerable to the membership. As it stands the Brexit Party don't have those in their constitution (as far as I know), although given it's a new party I assume that will come in the future as they become more established (probably before a general election).
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Post by hoffgreen on Apr 26, 2019 16:52:55 GMT
The BBC (Buggering Boys Club) is in full anti brexit mode it seems to me. I travel a lot through work during the week and make a point of listening to R5 & R4 just to play bulshit bingo and see how deranged the anti brexit rhetoric is being broadcast. Where do you start! Adrian Chile's first hour today on R5 was with 2 LEFTY journos slagging brexit and Trump and also Sir Roger Scruton who's been smeared by the spectator mag. The virtue signalling and hypocrisy was oozing out of every statement particularly the woman LEFTY when discussing the God Emperor Trump ;-) Seriously though this corporation is nothing but a cultural marxist mouthpiece and needs to be shutdown in the interests of national safety! Two many instances over the last few weeks where the bias is so obvious I can't be arsed to list them all but I also get the feeling they are getting scared as people in the West are slowly waking up to this grotesque globalist progressive agenda..... The labels they put on people like, racist, islamaphobic, xenophobic, little englanders, homophobic etc on people for daring to offer a different viewpoint from their insane narrative is very telling to me..... When your getting lots of flak you know your over the target.....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 26, 2019 16:56:04 GMT
I think that the important thing is, in UK political history, that we are at a crisis point an unknown and people are looking for leadership and the current bunch are not up to scratch. I think what is very significant is that those who have put them forward as prospective MEPs are not stupid. In fact very independent minded. They are not following Farage in a similar way to people joining cults ( Corbyn's youth wing is closer to that). .. these are largely ( in my opinion) responsible, level headed people who fully recognise what is going on and have openly and willingly followed the BREXIT party because the main issues of BREXIT and more importantly Democracy resonate with them . They don't need persuading or brain washing( sorry if that bit is politically incorrect). I was more talking about the voters of the Brexit Party, more than people are are joining to stand the European elections. I think there's a whiff of the Corbyn about Farage although they're obviously opposite ends of the spectrum, and it's only really the extreme fringe elements that seem to push his personality to the fore. Obviously you think the Brexit Party people are level-headed and the Labour people are brainwashed, and they probably think the other way round. Each side have their extreme, blind followers who can see no wrong but there's also a larger majority of people who vote for them because they think they can provide a solution to the problems of today. At the moment Labour have far more checks and balances to reign in any leader and make them answerable to the membership. As it stands the Brexit Party don't have those in their constitution (as far as I know), although given it's a new party I assume that will come in the future as they become more established (probably before a general election). There haven't been any voters for BREXIT. I'm talking about the prospective candidates.. they do seem level headed and a breath of fresh air don't they. At this stage and possibly in the foreseeable future perhaps Brexit don't want to be like other parties, perhaps they don't have to follow the models of other parties, perhaps they don't want to be politically correct ,with checks and balances.... perhaps they won't play the game and they will just go for it.. perhaps they don't want to reign in the leader. perhaps some of the characters like Widdecome and Fox don't even agree on much. Yo be honest I don't think that Corbyn and Farage share a whiff, I think that they are chalk and cheese. Not really sure what Corbyn stands for, dies he know?... seriously, I don't mind the chap though This James Heartfield fellow was s member of the Revolutionary Communist party and Clare Fix was a Communist so they do seem to be a bit of a mixed bag, a bit hard to pin down.....I suppose some will simply have to do with calling them Charlatans or loonies
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 26, 2019 17:22:09 GMT
I was more talking about the voters of the Brexit Party, more than people are are joining to stand the European elections. I think there's a whiff of the Corbyn about Farage although they're obviously opposite ends of the spectrum, and it's only really the extreme fringe elements that seem to push his personality to the fore. Obviously you think the Brexit Party people are level-headed and the Labour people are brainwashed, and they probably think the other way round. Each side have their extreme, blind followers who can see no wrong but there's also a larger majority of people who vote for them because they think they can provide a solution to the problems of today. At the moment Labour have far more checks and balances to reign in any leader and make them answerable to the membership. As it stands the Brexit Party don't have those in their constitution (as far as I know), although given it's a new party I assume that will come in the future as they become more established (probably before a general election). There haven't been any voters for BREXIT. I'm talking about the prospective candidates.. they do seem level headed and a breath of fresh air don't they. At this stage and possibly in the foreseeable future perhaps Brexit don't want to be like other parties, perhaps they don't have to follow the models of other parties, perhaps they don't want to be politically correct ,with checks and balances.... perhaps they won't play the game and they will just go for it.. perhaps they don't want to reign in the leader. perhaps some of the characters like Widdecome and Fox don't even agree on much. Yo be honest I don't think that Corbyn and Farage share a whiff, I think that they are chalk and cheese. Not really sure what Corbyn stands for, dies he know?... seriously, I don't mind the chap though This James Heartfield fellow was s member of the Revolutionary Communist party and Clare Fix was a Communist so they do seem to be a bit of a mixed bag, a bit hard to pin down.....I suppose some will simply have to do with calling them Charlatans or loonies I don't really know that much about these prospective MEPs - do you? I've read a couple of two or three line biographies of some of them, but I can't really tell if they are level-headed or a breath of fresh air. What do you base this on? They certainly seem, on a very basic mainstream level, to be a step up on the average UKIP candidates that stood with Farage (and also the ones since he left). True that there are many different ways to run a political party. But most of them involve some form of democracy and accountability. I would expect the Brexit Party to move towards something that involves these ideas once they have had more time to organised the party.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 26, 2019 17:35:42 GMT
There haven't been any voters for BREXIT. I'm talking about the prospective candidates.. they do seem level headed and a breath of fresh air don't they. At this stage and possibly in the foreseeable future perhaps Brexit don't want to be like other parties, perhaps they don't have to follow the models of other parties, perhaps they don't want to be politically correct ,with checks and balances.... perhaps they won't play the game and they will just go for it.. perhaps they don't want to reign in the leader. perhaps some of the characters like Widdecome and Fox don't even agree on much. Yo be honest I don't think that Corbyn and Farage share a whiff, I think that they are chalk and cheese. Not really sure what Corbyn stands for, dies he know?... seriously, I don't mind the chap though This James Heartfield fellow was s member of the Revolutionary Communist party and Clare Fix was a Communist so they do seem to be a bit of a mixed bag, a bit hard to pin down.....I suppose some will simply have to do with calling them Charlatans or loonies I don't really know that much about these prospective MEPs - do you? I've read a couple of two or three line biographies of some of them, but I can't really tell if they are level-headed or a breath of fresh air. What do you base this on? They certainly seem, on a very basic mainstream level, to be a step up on the average UKIP candidates that stood with Farage (and also the ones since he left). True that there are many different ways to run a political party. But most of them involve some form of democracy and accountability. I would expect the Brexit Party to move towards something that involves these ideas once they have had more time to organised the party. This is Nigel , just change The English reference to the EU ⚔️⚔️⚔️
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Post by thevoid on Apr 26, 2019 18:05:38 GMT
The BBC (Buggering Boys Club) is in full anti brexit mode it seems to me. I travel a lot through work during the week and make a point of listening to R5 & R4 just to play bulshit bingo and see how deranged the anti brexit rhetoric is being broadcast. Where do you start! Adrian Chile's first hour today on R5 was with 2 LEFTY journos slagging brexit and Trump and also Sir Roger Scruton who's been smeared by the spectator mag. The virtue signalling and hypocrisy was oozing out of every statement particularly the woman LEFTY when discussing the God Emperor Trump ;-) Seriously though this corporation is nothing but a cultural marxist mouthpiece and needs to be shutdown in the interests of national safety! Two many instances over the last few weeks where the bias is so obvious I can't be arsed to list them all but I also get the feeling they are getting scared as people in the West are slowly waking up to this grotesque globalist progressive agenda..... The labels they put on people like, racist, islamaphobic, xenophobic, little englanders, homophobic etc on people for daring to offer a different viewpoint from their insane narrative is very telling to me..... When your getting lots of flak you know your over the target..... In the absence of a coherent counter-argument, the insults start flying: gammon, alt-right, the ones you listed. Usually some buzzword they've seen Owen Jones tweet and think it's 'cool'. Once that happens, I can tick off another argument as 'won' and go about my day 👍 As I said the other day, progressives believe there are infinite genders yet only two political viewpoints. You've gotta love 'em 😎
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 26, 2019 18:09:24 GMT
There haven't been any voters for BREXIT. I'm talking about the prospective candidates.. they do seem level headed and a breath of fresh air don't they. At this stage and possibly in the foreseeable future perhaps Brexit don't want to be like other parties, perhaps they don't have to follow the models of other parties, perhaps they don't want to be politically correct ,with checks and balances.... perhaps they won't play the game and they will just go for it.. perhaps they don't want to reign in the leader. perhaps some of the characters like Widdecome and Fox don't even agree on much. Yo be honest I don't think that Corbyn and Farage share a whiff, I think that they are chalk and cheese. Not really sure what Corbyn stands for, dies he know?... seriously, I don't mind the chap though This James Heartfield fellow was s member of the Revolutionary Communist party and Clare Fix was a Communist so they do seem to be a bit of a mixed bag, a bit hard to pin down.....I suppose some will simply have to do with calling them Charlatans or loonies I don't really know that much about these prospective MEPs - do you? I've read a couple of two or three line biographies of some of them, but I can't really tell if they are level-headed or a breath of fresh air. What do you base this on? They certainly seem, on a very basic mainstream level, to be a step up on the average UKIP candidates that stood with Farage (and also the ones since he left). True that there are many different ways to run a political party. But most of them involve some form of democracy and accountability. I would expect the Brexit Party to move towards something that involves these ideas once they have had more time to organised the party. I know about some, not so much others , but as they are announced obviously it is possible to research them.... a breath of fresh air and certainly don't fit with what's normally expected of Political parties.... what I do know about them do far, they don't seem like the easily led, blindly following a cult like figure.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 26, 2019 18:16:43 GMT
I don't really know that much about these prospective MEPs - do you? I've read a couple of two or three line biographies of some of them, but I can't really tell if they are level-headed or a breath of fresh air. What do you base this on? They certainly seem, on a very basic mainstream level, to be a step up on the average UKIP candidates that stood with Farage (and also the ones since he left). True that there are many different ways to run a political party. But most of them involve some form of democracy and accountability. I would expect the Brexit Party to move towards something that involves these ideas once they have had more time to organised the party. I know about some, not so much others , but as they are announced obviously it is possible to research them.... a breath of fresh air and certainly don't fit with what's normally expected of Political parties.... what I do know about them do far, they don't seem like the easily led, blindly following a cult like figure. I'm talking about the voters when I talk about the cult of personality. Mainly the UKIP voters that voted for Farage, many of which will vote for the Brexit Party at the Euro elections.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 26, 2019 18:23:59 GMT
I know about some, not so much others , but as they are announced obviously it is possible to research them.... a breath of fresh air and certainly don't fit with what's normally expected of Political parties.... what I do know about them do far, they don't seem like the easily led, blindly following a cult like figure. I'm talking about the voters when I talk about the cult of personality. Mainly the UKIP voters that voted for Farage, many of which will vote for the Brexit Party at the Euro elections. I'm talking about the candidates who are joining Brexit, hardly doing so as cult type followers... wouldn't you say? It may just be that Farages' voter- followers are becoming so because they can see that his simple message is true ( for them) and no one else speaks for them.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 26, 2019 18:25:48 GMT
I'm talking about the voters when I talk about the cult of personality. Mainly the UKIP voters that voted for Farage, many of which will vote for the Brexit Party at the Euro elections. I'm talking about the candidates who are joining Brexit, hardly doing so as cult type followers... wouldn't you say? It may just be that Farages' voter- followers are becoming so because they can see that his simple message is true ( for them) and no one else speaks for them. No, the candidates aren't. We agree on that. Yeah, that could be true of course. Same for Corbyn and young people of course as well.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 26, 2019 18:30:33 GMT
I'm talking about the candidates who are joining Brexit, hardly doing so as cult type followers... wouldn't you say? It may just be that Farages' voter- followers are becoming so because they can see that his simple message is true ( for them) and no one else speaks for them. No, the candidates aren't. We agree on that. Yeah, that could be true of course. Same for Corbyn and young people of course as well. Of course it could be true of young people, but those who tend to actually join religious cults tend to be younger and impressionable. I think that as you start to become independent in life, start to look for answers it's a timer when you are more impressionable, more likely to be taken in and to be more impressed by ideals that don't necessarily deliver
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 26, 2019 19:04:06 GMT
No, the candidates aren't. We agree on that. Yeah, that could be true of course. Same for Corbyn and young people of course as well. Of course it could be true of young people, but those who tend to actually join religious cults tend to be younger and impressionable. I think that as you start to become independent in life, start to look for answers it's a timer when you are more impressionable, more likely to be taken in and to be more impressed by ideals that don't necessarily deliver In this digital day and age, I tend to find older folk are taken in by stuff a lot more on the internet than younger people. My mum is a nightmare for believing everything she sees or reads on the internet - and I've seen it quite often with older generations as well.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 26, 2019 19:07:31 GMT
Of course it could be true of young people, but those who tend to actually join religious cults tend to be younger and impressionable. I think that as you start to become independent in life, start to look for answers it's a timer when you are more impressionable, more likely to be taken in and to be more impressed by ideals that don't necessarily deliver In this digital day and age, I tend to find older folk are taken in by stuff a lot more on the internet than younger people. My mum is a nightmare for believing everything she sees or reads on the internet - and I've seen it quite often with older generations as well. I think that any age is capable , young people are particularly taken in through" university"
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 26, 2019 19:30:24 GMT
In this digital day and age, I tend to find older folk are taken in by stuff a lot more on the internet than younger people. My mum is a nightmare for believing everything she sees or reads on the internet - and I've seen it quite often with older generations as well. I think that any age is capable , young people are particularly taken in through" university" I'm not sure university is the socialist breeding ground it is made out to be. For a start, at least half of the students are too pissed to be able to spell EU
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 26, 2019 19:43:11 GMT
Just imagine if Twitter was owned by Russians...
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 26, 2019 19:46:52 GMT
I think that any age is capable , young people are particularly taken in through" university" I'm not sure university is the socialist breeding ground it is made out to be. For a start, at least half of the students are too pissed to be able to spell EU I think it is. I believe that the trend is that Many youngsters are actually turning from being big drinkers
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