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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Feb 19, 2019 12:35:20 GMT
Strange that we have to take Honda's word that it's nothing to do with Brexit yet when Nissan say that uncertainty over Brexit did not help when making it's recent decision Brexiters say they are lying. I'm intrigued as to why the word of some companies is considered more trustworthy than others?
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 19, 2019 12:54:58 GMT
Wrong. Had we been a benefactor of that trade deal why would companies spend money moving back to Japan and making loads of people redundant and then finding new people to fill those jobs in Japan? No Brexit would mean these types of job losses would be avoided. 2002 - production of the Accord in Swindon stopped with production moved back to Japan 2014 - production of the Jazz in Swindon stopped with production moved back to Japan Are you spotting a trend... Yes, since the referendum, Nossan and Honda have both said Brexit is one of the primary reasons they are moving some operations out of the UK
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 19, 2019 13:01:32 GMT
I agree. Hungary are pushing the limits of rule of law and the EU have rightly pubished them for that. All member states have democratically elected governments. The Hungarian government is directly doing what its electorate gave as a democratic mandate So does that mean you only believe in democracy when you agree with the direction So it’s democratic to have no rule of law now! I’m looking forward to brexit Britain. No votes for people who did not back the winner last time, no repeats of votes and Judges to be selected by the PM personally to ensure no rule of law. The Hungarians also chose to become a member of the eu where rule of law and the separation of powers is crucial. I am not familiar with Orbain’s manifesto but did it say “I will control te judiciary so they do as I say to reduce checks and balances of my power”. That’s what brexiteers want it seems.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 19, 2019 13:01:57 GMT
2002 - production of the Accord in Swindon stopped with production moved back to Japan 2014 - production of the Jazz in Swindon stopped with production moved back to Japan Are you spotting a trend... Yes, since the referendum, Nossan and Honda have both said Brexit is one of the primary reasons they are moving some operations out of the UK Maybe on Planet Fear they have. Back in the real world it ain't so.
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Post by yeokel on Feb 19, 2019 13:04:33 GMT
It is of course possible that Honda management is saying one thing in public,and another in their own boardroom. OK, so let's go with that. Why are they doing that? What's in it for them?
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 19, 2019 13:05:50 GMT
I believe Honda more than you as to why Honda are moving. Good you believe Honda Honda says this is nothing to do with brexit at all Which bit of honda’s statement are you struggling with Why don’t you just admit in the case of Honda you are wrong Being able to admit a mistake will in the end make you a better person Ok. So when Honda said delays at the border after brexit to their 350 daily trucks that pass through, what were they referring to? Honda told the Financial Times on Tuesday that it stored only enough parts to keep its Honda Civic production line in Swindon going for 36 hours. The car giant added it would need a warehouse the size of 42 football pitches to keep enough parts in stock to last for just nine days.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 19, 2019 13:05:57 GMT
It is of course possible that Honda management is saying one thing in public,and another in their own boardroom. The board at Honda will be focussing on their own colossal problems which has seen them lose half their market share in Europe in less than 10 years. I doubt they will blame Brexit for that. Clowns like Oggy might do though.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 19, 2019 13:06:10 GMT
Yes, since the referendum, Nossan and Honda have both said Brexit is one of the primary reasons they are moving some operations out of the UK Maybe on Planet Fear they have. Back in the real world it ain't so. Honda told the Financial Times on Tuesday that it stored only enough parts to keep its Honda Civic production line in Swindon going for 36 hours. The car giant added it would need a warehouse the size of 42 football pitches to keep enough parts in stock to last for just nine days.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 19, 2019 13:06:59 GMT
It is of course possible that Honda management is saying one thing in public,and another in their own boardroom. The board at Honda will be focussing on their own colossal problems which has seen them lose half their market share in Europe in less than 10 years. I doubt they will blame Brexit for that. Clowns like Oggy might do though. Honda told the Financial Times on Tuesday that it stored only enough parts to keep its Honda Civic production line in Swindon going for 36 hours. The car giant added it would need a warehouse the size of 42 football pitches to keep enough parts in stock to last for just nine days. I’ll get my face paint and juggling balls if you like!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 19, 2019 13:07:12 GMT
I think "project deny"is now brexiteers answer to everything head in the sand and deny facts. " Ian Howells, senior vice-president for Honda in Europe, told the BBC: "We're seeing unprecedented change in the industry on a global scale. We have to move very swiftly to electrification of our vehicles because of demand of our customers and legislation. " This is not a Brexit-related issue for us, it's being made on the global-related changes I've spoken about." You'd better try to have a word Skem. He's way too far off message isn't he? He can't go around spouting the truth like this. Think of the damage it could do to Project Fear and paranoid, small minded remainers such as yourself and Oggy. BBC LinkThis for me is one of the main reasons that we are going to see many changes in the manufacturing industry in the next generation. Robotics, battery technology , information technology are all going to impact upon trade and trading relationships. In my lifetime we have seen the near demise of the pottery industry, iron and steel,ship building, high street trading, the traditional ways we access the media, music news manufacturing, the coal industry etc. etc. In the new world we need to be in a position to grasp opportunity. I don't believe that our policy masters in Brussels have any intention of doing what is best for the UK, what is best for the EU maybe, but the UK , no. " Business says it likes certainty. There is a difference between Brexit and the ' negotiation process to get a "deal" ' The latter has been marked by confusion and uncertainty largely caused by those unable to accept BREXIT.
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Post by yeokel on Feb 19, 2019 13:08:07 GMT
2002 - production of the Accord in Swindon stopped with production moved back to Japan 2014 - production of the Jazz in Swindon stopped with production moved back to Japan Are you spotting a trend... Yes, since the referendum, Nossan and Honda have both said Brexit is one of the primary reasons they are moving some operations out of the UK I can't speak about Nossan as I don't know what that is. But what you have said about Honda is simply a blatent lie - you are doing this all the time these days. Why don't you provide a link to a single credible source which says what you have just written?
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 19, 2019 13:09:40 GMT
Maybe on Planet Fear they have. Back in the real world it ain't so. Honda told the Financial Times on Tuesday that it stored only enough parts to keep its Honda Civic production line in Swindon going for 36 hours. The car giant added it would need a warehouse the size of 42 football pitches to keep enough parts in stock to last for just nine days. I don't doubt that. But it ain't why they are closing the factory in Swindon.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 19, 2019 13:27:30 GMT
Strange that we have to take Honda's word that it's nothing to do with Brexit yet when Nissan say that uncertainty over Brexit did not help when making it's recent decision Brexiters say they are lying. I'm intrigued as to why the word of some companies is considered more trustworthy than others? We all believe whoever is on our side of the argument, Remain or Leave. But why would Honda remain silent if Brexit was a factor.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 19, 2019 13:40:32 GMT
I am going to say it; I still think all this is a put up job. It's all leading to a customs union u-turn, hence the grave economic warnings from all sides. The sneaks are in the background with the threat of a second referendum, and a cobbled together Not Really Brexit will be accepted in the Commons.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 19, 2019 13:41:50 GMT
Corbyn is drying up!!
No, it's ok, Diane has found him a jug of water.
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 19, 2019 13:42:39 GMT
Strange that we have to take Honda's word that it's nothing to do with Brexit yet when Nissan say that uncertainty over Brexit did not help when making it's recent decision Brexiters say they are lying. I'm intrigued as to why the word of some companies is considered more trustworthy than others? We all believe whoever is on our side of the argument, Remain or Leave. But why would Honda remain silent if Brexit was a factor. It's not much of a factor for any of the car manufacturers in this Country. It's an easy cop out.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 19, 2019 13:53:19 GMT
Jezza saying all the right things about skills, research etc. Trouble is, I have heard this from all parties for 40 odd years!
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Post by Northy on Feb 19, 2019 14:17:16 GMT
Good you believe Honda Honda says this is nothing to do with brexit at all Which bit of honda’s statement are you struggling with Why don’t you just admit in the case of Honda you are wrong Being able to admit a mistake will in the end make you a better person Ok. So when Honda said delays at the border after brexit to their 350 daily trucks that pass through, what were they referring to?
Honda told the Financial Times on Tuesday that it stored only enough parts to keep its Honda Civic production line in Swindon going for 36 hours. The car giant added it would need a warehouse the size of 42 football pitches to keep enough parts in stock to last for just nine days. who knows, as the CEO of Calais said they are well prepared for a no deal brexit and would keep traffic flowing both ways. what happened during the chunnel shut down after the fire, and ferry strikes etc. did they stockpile before those events - no.
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Post by skemstokie on Feb 19, 2019 19:14:25 GMT
I think "project deny"is now brexiteers answer to everything head in the sand and deny facts. " Ian Howells, senior vice-president for Honda in Europe, told the BBC: "We're seeing unprecedented change in the industry on a global scale. We have to move very swiftly to electrification of our vehicles because of demand of our customers and legislation. " This is not a Brexit-related issue for us, it's being made on the global-related changes I've spoken about." You'd better try to have a word Skem. He's way too far off message isn't he? He can't go around spouting the truth like this. Think of the damage it could do to Project Fear and paranoid, small minded remainers such as yourself and Oggy. BBC Link If you think any business leader would come out and say we are closing our plant because you voted leave so it is payback time, i am not saying it was the sole cause but i find it hard to believe it did not have bearing on the decision.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 19, 2019 19:45:54 GMT
" Ian Howells, senior vice-president for Honda in Europe, told the BBC: "We're seeing unprecedented change in the industry on a global scale. We have to move very swiftly to electrification of our vehicles because of demand of our customers and legislation. " This is not a Brexit-related issue for us, it's being made on the global-related changes I've spoken about." You'd better try to have a word Skem. He's way too far off message isn't he? He can't go around spouting the truth like this. Think of the damage it could do to Project Fear and paranoid, small minded remainers such as yourself and Oggy. BBC Link If you think any business leader would come out and say we are closing our plant because you voted leave so it is payback time, i am not saying it was the sole cause but i find it hard to believe it did not have bearing on the decision. In the case of Honda it did not
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Feb 19, 2019 19:58:49 GMT
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Post by algor on Feb 19, 2019 21:23:11 GMT
Yes it has changed remarkably in the last 5 months, Europe now hates diesel, Swindon builds diesel engines and they are now considered toxic in Europe. VW started the problems by fixing emission results and since then diesel sales have fallen through the floor. The Xtrail planned for Sunderland and also most Rangerovers are Diesel powered and the demand has gone. Come 2023 I doubt anyone in Europe will be building Diesel cars, so the world of automotive manufacturing has changed, in fact it's likely the biggest and quickest change the industry has ever seen.
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Post by essexstokey on Feb 19, 2019 23:34:49 GMT
The value of the pound has changed a lot over the past three years - making us all a little poorer. Back in December 2015, £1 would buy you about €1.40. Today it will get you nearer €1.14. It has suffered a similar fate against most major currencies, losing about 15% of its value over that time linkif you open the link to the bbc article you will see some rather worrying figures about brexit etc and that's before we have even left!! fall in exports, rise in food costs etc. and some still say on here that brexit is a good thing with another 3500 jobs lost and a further 30000 potential losses from the support industries etc and this is only the tip of the iceberg to come. oh and what do we see key brexit supporters (rich) moving house lock stock and barrel to erm countries in the eu if the eu is so bad why are they moving there !!
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Post by skemstokie on Feb 20, 2019 9:08:33 GMT
If you think any business leader would come out and say we are closing our plant because you voted leave so it is payback time, i am not saying it was the sole cause but i find it hard to believe it did not have bearing on the decision. In the case of Honda it did not In my opinion it would be not be the best P.R. to issue a statement blaming the way a section of their customers voted in a referendum for the closure of a plant it would hardly push sales up would it?
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 20, 2019 9:26:46 GMT
In the case of Honda it did not In my opinion it would be not be the best P.R. to issue a statement blaming the way a section of their customers voted in a referendum for the closure of a plant it would hardly push sales up would it? Just on the point of Honda give up you truly are beginning to stretch credibility
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Post by 3putts on Feb 20, 2019 9:45:43 GMT
if we had a strong government we could build a new car plant producing all electric cars.yes they would have to borrow a huge amount of money but this would all be paid back in time.it would be a massive boost to the uk manufacturing industry. and we could change the way the motobility payments are made so that they have to buy one of these uk produced all electric cars.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 20, 2019 10:02:59 GMT
if we had a strong government we could build a new car plant producing all electric cars.yes they would have to borrow a huge amount of money but this would all be paid back in time.it would be a massive boost to the uk manufacturing industry. and we could change the way the motobility payments are made so that they have to buy one of these uk produced all electric cars. That’s a little disturbing The thought of using the disabled as guinea pigs Being disabled myself I chose not to have a car but I know many who do the one thing I noticed is that people need many different cars as everyone’s needs and families are not the same
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 20, 2019 10:59:26 GMT
"Brexit rolled over the log and we saw what crawled out. The cavalier incompetence of David Davis, the dissimulating of Boris Johnson, the utter pointlessness of Michael Gove, the existence of Jacob Rees-Mogg and the dishonest and regressive elitism he represents. We have seen ministers entrusted with the future of the country learn on the job, and then flee the scene – revealing Westminster in general, and the Tories in particular, as a Ponzi scheme, a confidence trick. We now realise that the business of serious politics in this country rewards those whose only skill is keeping up the appearance of having a skill.""Maybe, in the end, the country outside Europe will find its stride by confronting its issues rather than blaming them on others, and forging its own way. But there is only one way to find out. What a shame Brexit is that path – but better to have a path than none at all." www.irishtimes.com/opinion/britain-needs-a-day-of-reckoning-brexit-will-provide-it-1.3797754?fbclid=IwAR331d5WTpyI_8jTpldmVEDH7bVCRw3E05-dLbO77xkGbysDzOMKu1ePbbI#.XG0ZQKc3Jd4.facebook
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Post by Northy on Feb 20, 2019 11:02:30 GMT
if we had a strong government we could build a new car plant producing all electric cars.yes they would have to borrow a huge amount of money but this would all be paid back in time.it would be a massive boost to the uk manufacturing industry. and we could change the way the motobility payments are made so that they have to buy one of these uk produced all electric cars. I agree with you on something Was saying this last night, weve got 2 years to go for it, we are the world leaders in battery technology, there is a large plant near merthyr Tydfil already producing batteries for uninterupted power systems and battery storage, go and get world leaders in car design and engineering, we have many F1 teams based in the UK to draw expertose from.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 20, 2019 12:11:56 GMT
if we had a strong government we could build a new car plant producing all electric cars.yes they would have to borrow a huge amount of money but this would all be paid back in time.it would be a massive boost to the uk manufacturing industry. and we could change the way the motobility payments are made so that they have to buy one of these uk produced all electric cars. Would be a great idea BUT... State aid is not allowed in the single market. So, we'd have to leave the single market to do it. ec.europa.eu/competition/state_aid/overview/index_en.htmlState aid is defined as an advantage in any form whatsoever conferred on a selective basis to undertakings by national public authorities.Specifically prohibited; the intervention gives the recipient an advantage on a selective basis, for example to specific companies or industry sectors, or to companies located in specific regions.If we left it could be a goer.
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