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Post by StokieNath on May 23, 2017 12:13:20 GMT
Still very shocked. The mood at work is just numb and cold. This will never end, politician's will start telling us stay inside. Then martial law will be imposed. It's what the extremists want. They dont care about Islam. They care about ending western civilization. Once it comes where there is a curfew to get back inside your house. A ban on alcohol. No public events. That's when they have won. There is nothing we can do, which angers me more. Them poor kids were used as pawns to them fucking lunatics. I hope they all rest in peace wherever that may be. One things for sure though, the world's going to shit.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 12:14:07 GMT
Moral hypocrisy of the highest order from Trump. Regardless of how you look at it. I agree with you. But as I said, being in favour of Trump's policy isn't illegitimised by being against the arms deal. The fact it was Trump who proposed a "muslim ban" (this term is a lie btw) is irrelevant. It could've been just a man on the street making that proposal. To me it is preposterous that "progressives" have the gall to viciously attack those who come up with such solutions as a response to the problems we're seeing. In fact in my current emotionally charged mindset, I'd love nothing more than to slap the teeth out of the skull of the likes of those who adorn trendy areas of London with their "refugees welcome" posters right now. I view these white-guilt, nation-hating, islamist-aligning bastards as treasonous and poisonous and if, god forbid, battle-lines are ever drawn, it won't surprise me one bit to see them standing on the opposite side.
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Post by bathstoke on May 23, 2017 12:16:49 GMT
Not giving arms to Saudi Arabia and their promotion of Wahhabism for a kickoff. Just like Christianity, Islam has sects far worse than that of others. ISIS' treatments of Shia's and Sufi's is testament to this. So that immediately renders any response against "pan Islam" redundant, as you'll find Shia's loathe ISIS as much as the west do. If we don't give arms to Sauid Arabia, then somebody will and we will end up with thousands of people out of work, then the government will be slaughterd for it. It's a mess and will take a world wide ban on arms sales, but unfortunatley, that will never happen. I knew a drug dealer who used to use a similar argument
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Post by bathstoke on May 23, 2017 12:19:08 GMT
Targeting a children's concert... an aggressive stand must be made. This isn't virtue signaling, is it...
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 12:33:45 GMT
8-year old girl confirmed as one of the fatalities
Absolutely tragic
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Post by essexstokey on May 23, 2017 12:35:54 GMT
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 23, 2017 12:38:20 GMT
Very sad, the survivors will be traumatized for life. Probably never listen to their favorite artist again. Probably never go to any big events again.
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Post by essexstokey on May 23, 2017 12:38:25 GMT
people queuing round the block to give blood
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Post by salopstick on May 23, 2017 12:42:28 GMT
An 8 year old girl
You fucking cunt
Give your kids an extra hug tonight lads
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Post by mrred on May 23, 2017 12:43:46 GMT
Very sad, the survivors will be traumatized for life. Probably never listen to their favorite artist again. Probably never go to any big events again. I can't tell you what others will do, but a close friend was on the beach in Tunisia when one of those goatfucking shithead's opened fire. Hasn't stopped him from going on Holiday.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 23, 2017 12:52:43 GMT
Very sad, the survivors will be traumatized for life. Probably never listen to their favorite artist again. Probably never go to any big events again. I can't tell you what others will do, but a close friend was on the beach in Tunisia when one of those goatfucking shithead's opened fire. Hasn't stopped him from going on Holiday. Yeah, but some of them are just children.
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Post by mrred on May 23, 2017 12:55:09 GMT
I can't tell you what others will do, but a close friend was on the beach in Tunisia when one of those goatfucking shithead's opened fire. Hasn't stopped him from going on Holiday. Yeah, but some of them are just children. Touché. Didn't mean to be argumentative btw. Neither the time nor the place.
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Post by chigstoke on May 23, 2017 12:55:15 GMT
An 8 year old girl You fucking cunt Give your kids an extra hug tonight lads It's fucking sickening, Salop. An 8 year old girl has had her life taken from her by some barbarian terrorist. And ISIS are calling all those who died Crusaders against Islam. Fucking cunts
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Post by imho on May 23, 2017 12:57:32 GMT
Saffie Rose Roussos is the girls name. Name's make it real, 8yrs old and probably at her first concert.
My daughter turns 8 later on this year and is going to her first concert with her mum.
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Post by Northy on May 23, 2017 12:57:58 GMT
If we don't give arms to Sauid Arabia, then somebody will and we will end up with thousands of people out of work, then the government will be slaughterd for it. It's a mess and will take a world wide ban on arms sales, but unfortunatley, that will never happen. I knew a drug dealer who used to use a similar argument where's a need there will always be a supply
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 23, 2017 12:58:18 GMT
Yeah, but some of them are just children. Touché. Didn't mean to be argumentative btw. Neither the time nor the place. No worry you didn't come across that way. I agree with you though. Some people are strong and go on with everyday life, but this event was mainly for children and their parents. Horrible thing what happened.
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Post by harryburrows on May 23, 2017 13:00:31 GMT
Got tickets for a show in half term with the kids , my mrs is having 2 nd thoughts about going in too London
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 13:02:15 GMT
We are a tiny island and small Muslim populations compared to larger countries in mainland Europe. I am being cynical of course and I don't disregard the success they have lightly. I am questioning the approach to tackling those known to them and outwardly in the public sphere, the culture needs to change. How though? Religious institutions tend to close ranks. Look at the paedophilia scandals the world over - Priests and whatnot just relocated to the remote Arctic or rural towns instead of investigated / prosecuted. Be proactive not reactive. If they are known to be radical in their religious views, exercise action against them, don't simply wait for them to make a move.
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Post by desman2 on May 23, 2017 13:06:02 GMT
And so the dumbing down starts. This person has higher priorities than being concerned for the bereaved and injured. If those people are helping in some way then they have higher priorities than the poster of that tweet.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on May 23, 2017 13:12:20 GMT
The I.R.A. used to say the security services have to be lucky every time but we[the terrorists] only have to be lucky once. The ability of the terrorists to combine evil with cleverness is disconcerting but as the police the world over say, it is the ordinary citizen spotting danger who can be the most effective first line of defence. But, if you're right about security having been scaled down at the end of the concert then that surely has to be looked into by the police and security services? Bags searched at the beginning as people entered the Arena, but this was after the show, as people were leaving, and obviously no bag searches, and probably the sniffer dogs had already stood down. Correct - cleverly targeted for the end of the gig - people happy, distracted, security thinking "job done". No amount of searching will have allowed for that. I went to see Iron Maiden at the Liverpool Arena last Saturday. Most thorough searches I've ever seen at a gig - proper pat-down on everyone (blokes anyway), front and back. The last gig I went to at the MEN was in January - not much searching going on. I'd be curious to know if this is now the norm at the Echo Arena or was there a tip-off and securty at te MEN were stepping up searches too. I'm off to see KISS in Mcr next week - it'll be interesting to see how much longer it takes to get in. And I also bet there will be security/police about at the end - certainly not the army of bootleggers that swamp the steps after concerts there.
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Post by Northy on May 23, 2017 13:14:10 GMT
Got tickets for a show in half term with the kids , my mrs is having 2 nd thoughts about going in too London It's a conundrum when you have little ones for sure. I'm in there on thursday night meeting up with colleagues, food and a few drinks after work, near to St Paul's and the finance district, you have to think that it's such a big place and so many venues and the times that you are about. it's millions to 1 chance.
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Post by claytonscrubs on May 23, 2017 13:15:27 GMT
They're showing pics of some of the victims on the news right now..One was a little girl called Saffie aged eight. I've got a seven year old daughter, and I feel physically sick today....The hatred I feel towards these cunts is unequalled. What those poor parents must be going through right now i can't imagine.... I'll be giving my little girl a extra hug when i get home from work tonight...
RIP ....to all involved.
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Post by harryburrows on May 23, 2017 13:17:54 GMT
Got tickets for a show in half term with the kids , my mrs is having 2 nd thoughts about going in too London It's a conundrum when you have little ones for sure. I'm in there on thursday night meeting up with colleagues, food and a few drinks after work, near to St Paul's and the finance district, you have to think that it's such a big place and so many venues and the times that you are about. it's millions to 1 chance. Mate I lived and worked in the west end though th worst of the IRA bombing campaign, I don't worry about the risk . My family is obviously a different matter
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 13:27:38 GMT
It could be a concert, but it could just as easily be a shopping centre on a Saturday afternoon or a sporting event.
I met my mate for an impromptu drink in the Northern Quarter last night and was a couple of hundred yards away at Shudehill when it happened. The thought of your young kids getting embroiled in this type of incident is enough to keep you awake at night but without taking unnecessary risks you've got to live your life.
RIP to all.......
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 13:32:44 GMT
RIP to those who have so tragically lost their lives .
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Post by crapslinger on May 23, 2017 13:51:54 GMT
What are your suggestions to stop these incidents ? Not giving arms to Saudi Arabia and their promotion of Wahhabism for a kickoff. Just like Christianity, Islam has sects far worse than that of others. ISIS' treatments of Shia's and Sufi's is testament to this. So that immediately renders any response against "pan Islam" redundant, as you'll find Shia's loathe ISIS as much as the west do. Abroad, in Syria we need to oversee some sort of peace deal, because as is always the case people love liberating themselves. If we go in their, boots on the ground we simply churn up the barbed wire and down in comes again in a mess. Likewise, if we're going in their bombing, we need to know who, why, what. Not just fire and forget as the current policy is. Syria's a mess of ideology and issues. In this country, we need a thorough investigation into why British Born non-muslims as in the case of Khalid Masood, are turning towards this poisoned ideology. Then we need to find out who the people are promoting, teaching, disseminating this hatred online, in mosques and in person. This has to be combated at source, which will be the radical clerics spewing out hate. If these individuals can be identified, isolated and investigated and tried in a full court of law we'd go a long way to solving the problem. I don't pretend to have the confidence to say this will work, but I have the confidence to say widespread reprisals against a particular group of people NEVER ends well. This is a complex problem, with complex solution, it's not just as simple as "fighting back". Maybe we should target the Sunni sect who are present in the country then !, which ever way you cut it we have to respond to incidents like these we have to protect our own on their own soil. I agree with routing out those promoting hatred of others on line and in places of worship, once caught we have to take a very firm stance with these people, going about our normal every day lives simply is not working.
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Post by scfcwebby on May 23, 2017 14:26:55 GMT
A chap that I work with (currently sat opposite him) has just found out that his cousin has been killed (Georgina Callander) in the attack, absolutely devastated.
Absolute evil scum of the earth, RIP and thoughts to everybody that has been killed and their families, every single one of my thoughts are with you.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 23, 2017 14:29:59 GMT
They're showing pics of some of the victims on the news right now..One was a little girl called Saffie aged eight. I've got a seven year old daughter, and I feel physically sick today....The hatred I feel towards these cunts is unequalled. What those poor parents must be going through right now i can't imagine.... I'll be giving my little girl a extra hug when i get home from work tonight... RIP ....to all involved. www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/eight-year-old-saffie-rose-13079059
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 23, 2017 14:32:05 GMT
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Post by hammered on May 23, 2017 14:36:12 GMT
This is a post doing the rounds on Facebook.
"While the police are collecting body parts of British children spread around the Manchester arena, it is reported that the British public are determined to carry on with "business as usual."
This Business As Usual, is an admirable attitude that helped the British people survive the Nazi Blitz during WWII.
But this is not the Blitz.
Because during the Blitz, the British were not afraid to say who their enemy was. Having identified their enemy, they fought their enemy and defeated their enemy. They didn't just express their horror, or send their thoughts, or say a prayer, or light a candle, or hold a vigil.
Actually it is Business As Usual, because Business As Usual is the unwillingness to challenge the Islamic political ideology that infests British school curriculums, infects British media and is rampant in so-called “charities" that channels donations to fund terrorism. This Business As Usual is also preached in sermons in British mosques and can be heard in city parks. Business As Usual, spews out hate against Jews and Christians, Business As Usual vilifies Zionists, Business As Usual marches on English cobbled streets and demands the implementation of Sharia Law. Business As Usual ensures that British Jewish schools, British Jewish institutions and British synagogues, need protection night and day.
From personal experience, I can say that after a terror attack life is NOT Business As Usual. And it never can be Business As Usual, because murder is the most cosmic and irreparable violation known to both man and mankind. Murder steals from families and plunders the unborn generations. Murder grieves friends. Murder rips out souls from communities. Murder wounds a nation and murder irreparably damages our world.
Business As Usual is the familiar scenes of personal, emotional and collective carnage. This is how things will be until the people decide that they are no longer prepared to tolerate Business As Usual. No longer will they be prepared to deny the reality. No longer will they refrain from rooting out this evil. And no longer in the name of free speech, will they allow the vilification, or the arrest of, those who speak out against it.
But until they do that, Business As Usual will be an ever-familiar sight of British police and British ambulance crews, scraping parts of British children off the walls of the likes of a British cultural arena."
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