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Post by boothenboy75 on May 27, 2017 6:25:36 GMT
I'm confused I have kept reading how there are only a handful of muslims who agree with that murderous bastards views. Yet I read today that the security services have identified 23,000 possible attackers living in the UK. Now I naively assumed that a handful was a few dozen not nearly our average attendance wandering the streets, thinking of blowing our kids up.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 27, 2017 6:35:54 GMT
I couldn't find details of the march but when I googled Cheetham Hill I found this... I think you have a special filter on your search engine fella..... Reality mode.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 27, 2017 6:45:15 GMT
I'm confused I have kept reading how there are only a handful of muslims who agree with that murderous bastards views. Yet I read today that the security services have identified 23,000 possible attackers living in the UK. Now I naively assumed that a handful was a few dozen not nearly our average attendance wandering the streets, thinking of blowing our kids up. That's just the ones they know about, and then lets not forget all the brothers & sisters, cousins & such like who're always linked to them after the event. Lets be honest we could double, triple even quadruple that number & still be well shy of the actual figure (I bet another 100 have just wandered across our border while I'm typing this post!) Then you've got all the ones who, whilst they wouldn't carry out an attack themselves, they certainly don't disagree with others doing so. It's a huge problem, way bigger than most people want to admit, but it's about time we faced upto it & got serious.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 7:01:54 GMT
I think you have a special filter on your search engine fella..... Reality mode. The reality is usually somewhere in between.....
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 27, 2017 7:08:04 GMT
The reality is usually somewhere in between..... Used to be mate. Not anymore.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 7:13:22 GMT
No terror attacks in Poland..... I wonder why? 0.1% Muslim population. Pretty impressive figures. Makes me wonder why there's more Poles in the UK than any other foreign nationals? They obviously favour the freedom of living in the U.K. over their governments stance on terrorism.....
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 7:15:09 GMT
The reality is usually somewhere in between..... Used to be mate. Not anymore. So you genuinely couldn't find the link to last nights peace march then mate or has your stance become so ingrained that you can't even acknowledge a decent act amongst law abiding Muslims in Manchester?
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Post by salopstick on May 27, 2017 7:29:35 GMT
Article in the Daily Mirror about ISIS & why they say they hate us... 1. Because you are disbelievers
"We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah – whether you realize it or not – by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices."
2 . Because you are liberal
"We hate you because your secular, liberal societies permit the very things that Allah has prohibited while banning many of the things He has permitted, a matter that doesn’t concern you because you Christian disbelief and paganism 32 separate between religion and state, thereby granting supreme authority to your whims and desires via the legislators you vote into power."
3. Because some of you are atheist
"In the case of the atheist fringe, we hate you and wage war against you because you disbelieve in the existence of your Lord and Creator."
4. For your crimes against Islam
"We hate you for your crimes against Islam and wage war against you to punish you for your transgressions against our religion."
5. For your crimes against Muslims
"We hate you for your crimes against the Muslims; your drones and fighter jets bomb, kill, and maim our people around the world, and your puppets in the usurped lands of the Muslims oppress, torture, and wage war against anyone who calls to the truth."
6. For invading our lands
"We hate you for invading our lands and fight you to repel you and drive you out. As long as there is an inch of territory left for us to reclaim, jihad will continue to be a personal obligation on every single Muslim."
The article concludes that while foreign policy is an issue, the main reason they are hell bent on destruction is because they don't like the West very much.
It reads: "What’s important to understand here is that although some might argue that your foreign policies are the extent of what drives our hatred, this particular reason for hating you is secondary, hence the reason we addressed it at the end of the above list.
"The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam."In laymans terms they just don't like us
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Post by salopstick on May 27, 2017 7:32:21 GMT
Obviously a plant
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 27, 2017 7:53:15 GMT
Article in the Daily Mirror about ISIS & why they say they hate us... 1. Because you are disbelievers
"We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah – whether you realize it or not – by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices."
2 . Because you are liberal
"We hate you because your secular, liberal societies permit the very things that Allah has prohibited while banning many of the things He has permitted, a matter that doesn’t concern you because you Christian disbelief and paganism 32 separate between religion and state, thereby granting supreme authority to your whims and desires via the legislators you vote into power."
3. Because some of you are atheist
"In the case of the atheist fringe, we hate you and wage war against you because you disbelieve in the existence of your Lord and Creator."
4. For your crimes against Islam
"We hate you for your crimes against Islam and wage war against you to punish you for your transgressions against our religion."
5. For your crimes against Muslims
"We hate you for your crimes against the Muslims; your drones and fighter jets bomb, kill, and maim our people around the world, and your puppets in the usurped lands of the Muslims oppress, torture, and wage war against anyone who calls to the truth."
6. For invading our lands
"We hate you for invading our lands and fight you to repel you and drive you out. As long as there is an inch of territory left for us to reclaim, jihad will continue to be a personal obligation on every single Muslim."
The article concludes that while foreign policy is an issue, the main reason they are hell bent on destruction is because they don't like the West very much.
It reads: "What’s important to understand here is that although some might argue that your foreign policies are the extent of what drives our hatred, this particular reason for hating you is secondary, hence the reason we addressed it at the end of the above list.
"The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam."In laymans terms they just don't like us They haven't liked us for a long time. They certainly didn't like us in 1979 when I was in the Met and we had more powers then.
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Post by crapslinger on May 27, 2017 8:00:53 GMT
In laymans terms they just don't like us They haven't liked us for a long time. They certainly didn't like us in 1979 when I was in the Met and we had more powers then. And a lot less of them to monitor.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 27, 2017 8:01:39 GMT
So it looks like we'll be fed the "rise in hate crime" story today. Togetherness and unity remember.
Tomorrow we have a tribute to Jo Cox. Who actually was murdered on the 16th June ??
Politics eh? Corbo blaming us for a child murderer and then wheeling out a tribute just before a GE.
Shocking.
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Post by crapslinger on May 27, 2017 8:09:48 GMT
Around 500 Muslims accompanied by 100's of non-Muslims marched from a Cheetham Hill mosque to the Manchester Arena to show solidarity with the victims of Monday's attack this evening. Can't do the link from my phone but in the interests of balance maybe crapslinger or DrunkenCommumist could do the honours.....? :-) I couldn't find details of the march but when I googled Cheetham Hill I found this... This has to be a case of mistaken identity, Cheetham Hill as we know is a utopian environment where all Muslims are peaceful law abiding salt of the earth members of the community, there is not one would be murdering Christian hating scum sucker amongst them.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on May 27, 2017 8:18:36 GMT
Used to be mate. Not anymore. So you genuinely couldn't find the link to last nights peace march then mate or has your stance become so ingrained that you can't even acknowledge a decent act amongst law abiding Muslims in Manchester? They're not interested in any type of balance mate. You should know that by now. If they like a source then it's gospel, if they don't like your story then it apparently can't be believed (they change the reasons why on a daily basis. Usually it's "MSM",the same MSM they quote when it backs them up however when they're perfectly happy to use it then), it's spin or they just ignore the post entirely.
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Post by crapslinger on May 27, 2017 8:30:24 GMT
The reality is usually somewhere in between..... watch your step when walking through this hole i had the misfortune to do so the other day and after enjoying the leisurely stroll up the road from strangeways prison i soon entered bedlam as i walked across the well designed council estate. drug addicted prostitutes stand alongside the outraged religious loons (who make up 75% of their custom) your typical chav/ned/ratboy. i prefer to call them scrotes reign supreme here. the cliched black nike leisurewear,scarves over the lower half of the mouth,presumably to hide the appalling dental hygiene. yo,yo,yo innit asian badboys in souped up toyota celicas,ringed bmw’s and then the white scrotes on their quadbikes Some of you delight in stating how little fear these arseholes inspire in you.well,i myself do feel intimnidated around cheetham hill.its the kind of place you get stabbed for “giving cheek” avoid.
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 27, 2017 8:31:28 GMT
They haven't liked us for a long time. They certainly didn't like us in 1979 when I was in the Met and we had more powers then. And a lot less of them to monitor. In a bizarre twist two would be bombers clearly got their red and green wires mixed up and blew themselves up in a hotel room opposite my police digs just off Oxford Street. Clearly not up to speed with bomb technology. (no Google). God knows where it was destined for but it never arrived.
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Post by essexstokey on May 27, 2017 8:36:32 GMT
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Post by themistocles on May 27, 2017 8:39:33 GMT
You're so naive I actually feel sorry for you.
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Post by imho on May 27, 2017 8:40:35 GMT
So you genuinely couldn't find the link to last nights peace march then mate or has your stance become so ingrained that you can't even acknowledge a decent act amongst law abiding Muslims in Manchester? They're not interested in any type of balance mate. You should know that by now. If they like a source then it's gospel, if they don't like your story then it apparently can't be believed (they change the reasons why on a daily basis. Usually it's "MSM",the same MSM they quote when it backs them up however when they're perfectly happy to use it then), it's spin or they just ignore the post entirely. More balance - if you search for cheetham hill the search gives up the police info as posted above, you have to include March and then it's still on the second page. Additionally 500 Muslims..what % of Manchester's Muslim population is that ? TBF a public showing like that is really good and does show some form of unity but let's be honest unless it's repeated often and up and down the country it's effect s won't be felt
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 27, 2017 8:42:26 GMT
No terror attacks in Poland..... I wonder why? 0.1% Muslim population. Pretty impressive figures. Makes me wonder why there's more Poles in the UK than any other foreign nationals? They obviously favour the freedom of living in the U.K. over their governments stance on terrorism..... No it because of jobs. Not a lifestyle choice.
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Post by crapslinger on May 27, 2017 8:45:12 GMT
Pretty impressive figures. Makes me wonder why there's more Poles in the UK than any other foreign nationals? They obviously favour the freedom of living in the U.K. over their governments stance on terrorism..... No it because of jobs. Not a lifestyle choice. The clue is in economic migrants.
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Post by Dutchpeter on May 27, 2017 8:46:52 GMT
I'm confused I have kept reading how there are only a handful of muslims who agree with that murderous bastards views. Yet I read today that the security services have identified 23,000 possible attackers living in the UK. Now I naively assumed that a handful was a few dozen not nearly our average attendance wandering the streets, thinking of blowing our kids up. That's just the ones they know about, and then lets not forget all the brothers & sisters, cousins & such like who're always linked to them after the event. Lets be honest we could double, triple even quadruple that number & still be well shy of the actual figure (I bet another 100 have just wandered across our border while I'm typing this post!) Then you've got all the ones who, whilst they wouldn't carry out an attack themselves, they certainly don't disagree with others doing so. It's a huge problem, way bigger than most people want to admit, but it's about time we faced upto it & got serious. In 1970s Northern Ireland, the IRA at its peak had no more than 400 active members. However, many Catholics whilst against violence, broadly agreed with their aim i.e. Brits out, unified Ireland etc. This what I think we have now in the U.K. Muslims who broadly support the aims of the terrorists, whether it be sharia law, subjugation of those who don't believe etc.
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Post by crapslinger on May 27, 2017 8:55:45 GMT
Cheetham Hill is THE knock-off capital of the UK, a new Government report reveals.
The trade in counterfeit brands continues to flourish there despite a series of high-profile raids which have seen fake goods worth millions seized by the authorities, according to the Intellectual Property Office.
It is seeking additional manpower to help Greater Manchester Police tackle ‘widespread criminality’ in Cheetham Hill.
This Utopia sounds a bit well ermmmmmmm. shit
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 27, 2017 9:10:30 GMT
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Post by imho on May 27, 2017 10:50:11 GMT
Bit ironic that a thread in relation to a bombing that has its roots in ideology has fallen into name calling by grown men who have different ideas.
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Post by harryburrows on May 27, 2017 11:01:13 GMT
Bit ironic that a thread in relation to a bombing that has its roots in ideology has fallen into name calling by grown men who have different ideas. It's the same on many of the threads , this place is becoming unusable for the time being
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Post by bigvern on May 27, 2017 11:32:59 GMT
I watched a replay of Thursday evenings question time and was pleasantly surprised about how modern thinking the two Muslim panellists and the young Muslim audience member at the end of the show were.
I don't come into contact with any Muslims and my view of them are that they are very insular with a hatred of the West and everything it stands for but after watching QT I was feeling more positive about the future if forward thinking Muslims like those get their voices heard.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 11:34:29 GMT
No it because of jobs. Not a lifestyle choice. The clue is in economic migrants. They've obviously got a bigger set of gonads than you crapslinger.....
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 11:49:18 GMT
Cheetham Hill is THE knock-off capital of the UK, a new Government report reveals.
The trade in counterfeit brands continues to flourish there despite a series of high-profile raids which have seen fake goods worth millions seized by the authorities, according to the Intellectual Property Office.
It is seeking additional manpower to help Greater Manchester Police tackle ‘widespread criminality’ in Cheetham Hill.
This Utopia sounds a bit well ermmmmmmm. shit
Just been to Cheetham Hill crapslinger. Lads under 9's team scored a dramatic late winner to win 4-3. The sun was shining and everyone was out in the park playing. Quick walk to the local cafe for a brew and a couple of rounds of toast afterwards before heading off. Not utopia (toast was a bit burnt if I'm honest ) but very pleasant and didn't see any Mancunian crapslinger's cowering in the corner talking about how we're at war......
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Post by crapslinger on May 27, 2017 12:14:40 GMT
Cheetham Hill is anecdotally referred to as 'Counterfeit Street'.
"It is indicative of the entrenched criminal culture of the area that the trade in counterfeit goods has continued despite regular enforcement action and high-volume seizures."
Sounds a lovely place to bring up your kids in, plenty of cheap designer sports goods on offer.
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