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Post by Stoke711 on May 21, 2017 20:50:57 GMT
You can't bet on when a player is going to be substituted to the exact minute so lets just get that fact out of the way Another fact Conte can make a sub whenever he wants, he could have come out before the game and have said im going to sub terry after 25 mins or so, so nothng wrong there. If someone had put money on TJ to score anytime they have no right to feel aggrieved, as the only thing you could argue is wrong is sunderland agreeing to putting the ball out of play at the exact time, and as you can't actually bet on those permeations (unless its a special, which would have raised a red flag anyway). But as none of this was in the public domain anyway prior to the game, and no betting laws have been broken, no real wrong doing (even if it was it still hasnt affected the outcome of the game regarding any bets) Im not even sure you can bet on throw ins. you can't on Bet365 the points you made are valid, however, you can bet on any player of any team playing to score at a certain time, however, if they've all been briefed before hand to knock it out of play at this said certain time just so JT can have his subs spectacle, then it does raise questions you could also bet on a certain player to score, say in the second half, but the team have pre-agreed to sub him in the first half etc? lots of permeatations as to what can/can't have been bet on. its the actual agreeing to do something at a set minute, (so it matches his shirt number - very specific) between 2 teams beforehand, during a competitive match where millions are riding on the outcome that is the main worry. I bet a foreign bookie (they have alot of different markets to us) or if I went into my local bookie and wanted put a bet on Terry subbed 26mins, they'd have got me some odds and taken my money. |
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Post by superheroantonius on May 21, 2017 20:55:54 GMT
You can't bet on when a player is going to be substituted to the exact minute so lets just get that fact out of the way Another fact Conte can make a sub whenever he wants, he could have come out before the game and have said im going to sub terry after 25 mins or so, so nothng wrong there. If someone had put money on TJ to score anytime they have no right to feel aggrieved, as the only thing you could argue is wrong is sunderland agreeing to putting the ball out of play at the exact time, and as you can't actually bet on those permeations (unless its a special, which would have raised a red flag anyway). But as none of this was in the public domain anyway prior to the game, and no betting laws have been broken, no real wrong doing (even if it was it still hasnt affected the outcome of the game regarding any bets) Im not even sure you can bet on throw ins. you can't on Bet365 You can definitely make a ' spread bet' on when the first throw in will be. Matt le tissier famously took a bung for deliberately conceding a throw in the first couple of minutes of a Southampton game If you google... Matt le tissier betting fix... Numberous links will come up |
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Post by skip on May 21, 2017 21:04:26 GMT
Yeah but what was all that making Crouch stand on the byline for the corner all about? If we're discussing match fixing. A travesty. What did I miss? (Apart from the whole match). |
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Post by wearestoke80 on May 21, 2017 21:14:25 GMT
Modern day football is an embarrassment.
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Post by swampySCFC on May 21, 2017 21:18:13 GMT
i know this isn't stoke related, however i wanted to see what people thought It is alleged, David Moyes and Sunderland agreed to put the ball out of play on the 26th minute, just so Terry can have an elaborate substitution (Chelsea also agreed to this) now, have i got this wrong, but if you can influence an aspect of the match to this degree, and something you can bet on online, isn't this match/spot fixing? surely, if it is, then it will have major implications for those involved? i agree entirely. Fucking disgrace. The Premier League is becoming a carnival Says a lot about Sunderland Management with their fans there fawning to those pricks. Can you imagine if it had been Stoke today. Disgusted |
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Post by swampySCFC on May 21, 2017 21:18:40 GMT
i know this isn't stoke related, however i wanted to see what people thought It is alleged, David Moyes and Sunderland agreed to put the ball out of play on the 26th minute, just so Terry can have an elaborate substitution (Chelsea also agreed to this) now, have i got this wrong, but if you can influence an aspect of the match to this degree, and something you can bet on online, isn't this match/spot fixing? surely, if it is, then it will have major implications for those involved? i agree entirely. Fucking disgrace. The Premier League is becoming a carnival Says a lot about Sunderland Management with their fans there fawning to those pricks. Can you imagine if it had been Stoke today. Disgusted |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 21, 2017 21:23:31 GMT
Yeah but what was all that making Crouch stand on the byline for the corner all about? If we're discussing match fixing. A travesty. What did I miss? (Apart from the whole match). A bizarre incident. A crouch/Soton defender challenge in the Southampton penalty area, that went out for a corner for us. Soton defender dead on the ground, trainer runs on for him. Big stick man gets up brushes it off, as ever. Ref orders both off to the touchline, to Crouchie's protestations. Ref blew for the corner, before letting them both back on. Crouch effectively sent off for the duration of a corner, for fuck all. I had no commentary, and have heard no debate about it since. I was incensed. |
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Post by pottersrule on May 21, 2017 21:42:06 GMT
What did I miss? (Apart from the whole match). A bizarre incident. A crouch/Soton defender challenge in the Southampton penalty area, that went out for a corner for us. Soton defender dead on the ground, trainer runs on for him. Big stick man gets up brushes it off, as ever. Ref orders both off to the touchline, to Crouchie's protestations. Ref blew for the corner, before letting them both back on. Crouch effectively sent off for the duration of a corner, for fuck all. I had no commentary, and have heard no debate about it since. I was incensed. I saw that mate but assumed Crouch had treatment. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 21:52:00 GMT
No problem with it at all.
Nothing game, Sunderland had agreed to it and presumably it was mentioned to the officials before hand.
My gripe is that it was Terry himself who organised it. Absolutely embarrassing, but of course...he does;t have any shame.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 21, 2017 22:00:49 GMT
Narcissism at its finest. I'd rather us be even shitter than we've been this season than sign this wanker Really? aren't most footballers wankers? He's a winner and would improve us all day long Really. I have no interest in improving if the only way we can do so is by having wankers like him at our club. |
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Post by swampySCFC on May 21, 2017 22:18:28 GMT
Really? aren't most footballers wankers? He's a winner and would improve us all day long Really. I have no interest in improving if the only way we can do so is by having wankers like him at our club. Apart from the fact he's fucking knackered |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 22:20:18 GMT
He did it for a bet though. There's no evidence or even a suggestion that what was done today was for a bet. That is a very good point and I don't wish to imply this was done for a bet. However the pie incident was allegedly premeditated and the op suggests so was this. Clearly they were both premeditated incidents, but my point is that one of the incidents was planned for a bet, whereas, to the best of our knowledge, today's incident wasn't. The keeper broke the rules on gambling, whereas again, to my knowledge, today's match didn't. If it starts to appear that certain bets have been placed based on today's events, then that might change. |
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Post by greyman on May 21, 2017 22:21:10 GMT
No problem with it at all. Nothing game, Sunderland had agreed to it and presumably it was mentioned to the officials before hand. My gripe is that it was Terry himself who organised it. Absolutely embarrassing, but of course...he does;t have any shame. What was the ref playing at? Maybe if we're winning some time, we can form guards of honour for substitutions and the people going off can spend a few minutes shaking everybody's hands and applauding the crowd on every side. Would the ref be OK with that? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 23:26:24 GMT
No problem with it at all. Nothing game, Sunderland had agreed to it and presumably it was mentioned to the officials before hand. My gripe is that it was Terry himself who organised it. Absolutely embarrassing, but of course...he does;t have any shame. What was the ref playing at? Maybe if we're winning some time, we can form guards of honour for substitutions and the people going off can spend a few minutes shaking everybody's hands and applauding the crowd on every side. Would the ref be OK with that? No, obviously...because the circumstance is completely different. Next? |
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Post by JoeinOz on May 21, 2017 23:34:42 GMT
The main reason some people resent it is because it's the unpopular Terry I reckon. Overall it's generally harmless but wouldn't want it to become the norm. But that Terry organised it himself is a bit cringey.
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Post by Royal Donut on May 21, 2017 23:47:59 GMT
How about the decisions of the ref, they cost me many times, they can say it's their opinion but no one agrees with the ref including the fans of the opposit team.
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Post by greyman on May 22, 2017 0:24:26 GMT
What was the ref playing at? Maybe if we're winning some time, we can form guards of honour for substitutions and the people going off can spend a few minutes shaking everybody's hands and applauding the crowd on every side. Would the ref be OK with that? No, obviously...because the circumstance is completely different. Next? And who gets to decide that? One of the players? Let's try it with Shawcross with a ref and see what happens. |
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Post by castleblack on May 22, 2017 0:50:47 GMT
a f**in pathetic stage managed melodrama for the media driven product that the premier league has become....,but nevertheless a top player for club and country there is no argument,,,,i never liked I'm meself and theres no denying his record over the years.but this was a
tacky interruption to a game of football,,,,,do it at the end of the game or at half time and no probs .....but that's where the game is these days,its all about the show.!!
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Post by hanibal7 on May 22, 2017 3:10:26 GMT
I must be bored to read so much shit. Pissy pants supporters, who need to spout bollocks all the time.
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Post by andrewguk on May 22, 2017 10:28:09 GMT
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on May 22, 2017 10:40:14 GMT
It makes it a bit of a pantomime, but it's a hard heart who begrudges Terry and Chelsea supporters that moment. He might have been better coming on for the last 5 minutes and having that little show at the end of the game.
If Chelsea win the cup I'm certain he'll be up there in full kit to receive the trophy even if he isn't on the bench as part of the matchday squad.
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Post by salopstick on May 22, 2017 14:49:54 GMT
The bookies paid out at 100/1 they said the board went up on 26 minutes It is a disgrace regardless of th circumstances . John Terry: Thousands won on Chelsea captain's 26th-minute substitution www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39999708 |
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Post by TinkerT on May 22, 2017 14:54:45 GMT
The bookies paid out at 100/1 they said the board went up on 26 minutes It is a disgrace regardless of th circumstances . John Terry: Thousands won on Chelsea captain's 26th-minute substitution www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39999708That Sutton keeper got sacked for the same thing. Something needs to be done, even the fact Sunderland agreed to it. |
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Post by samba :) on May 22, 2017 14:56:01 GMT
The Chelsea team should have been booked for time wasting. [/qoute] submits an official complaint about it let's |
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Post by samba :) on May 22, 2017 14:57:05 GMT
Also there's no way i would of put it out if i was a Sunderland player
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Post by Miles Offside on May 22, 2017 15:35:23 GMT
The Chelsea team should have been booked for time wasting. Bang on. Arrogance overload. |
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Post by Stoke711 on May 22, 2017 17:18:05 GMT
The main reason some people resent it is because it's the unpopular Terry I reckon. Overall it's generally harmless but wouldn't want it to become the norm. But that Terry organised it himself is a bit cringey. My issue with it, is it's a competitive Premier League game, not a friendly. Don't really give a damn about Terry. But I do give a damn when teams start bending rules to suit. Would this be allowed mid-season? I doubt it, would all the ones who aren't bothered now be bothered if Sunderland needed a win to stay up or Chelsea to win the title? so why should it be allowed in any official fixture. We have friendlies and testimonials for this sort of thing. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 17:24:44 GMT
The main reason some people resent it is because it's the unpopular Terry I reckon. Overall it's generally harmless but wouldn't want it to become the norm. But that Terry organised it himself is a bit cringey. My issue with it, is it's a competitive Premier League game, not a friendly. Don't really give a damn about Terry. But I do give a damn when teams start bending rules to suit. Would this be allowed mid-season? I doubt it, would all the ones who aren't bothered now be bothered if Sunderland needed a win to stay up or Chelsea to win the title? so why should it be allowed in any official fixture. We have friendlies and testimonials for this sort of thing. or they could have at least waited until the end of the match for this fanfare now it's been revealed bets were placed on this substitution, it's starting to ramp up a bit (stlll might come to nothing, because it is the FA and Chelsea) |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 17:32:33 GMT
The incident was a disgrace.
Sunderland players are paid a lot of money to try to win a football match, presumably some of their supporters paid money to watch that shit.
Absolutely pathetic. The players involved should be sacked. Let him do his speech at the end to interrupt a match people have paid money to watch...shocking.
Do we think shawcross would want that when the time comes? Would he fuck. He would play the 90 minutes like any other, like a professional.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 22, 2017 17:44:57 GMT
It shouldn't be allowed but sod all will happen.
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