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Post by Naughtyfarty on May 14, 2017 18:43:31 GMT
I'm not sure
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 18:46:24 GMT
We were this season under him. If we hadn't have beaten Hull we'd be shitting the final game.
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Post by generationex on May 14, 2017 18:46:50 GMT
Defo
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Post by chad on May 14, 2017 18:47:05 GMT
I'd say we would be among the favourites
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 14, 2017 18:48:34 GMT
You've not been watching us recently then?
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Post by dexta on May 14, 2017 18:50:12 GMT
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Post by crownmeking on May 14, 2017 18:50:24 GMT
I swear this board is 1 million ways to ask the same question.
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Post by Naughtyfarty on May 14, 2017 18:51:28 GMT
Can i just say, at my work place, there are a few ppl who said M H should have gone months ago.these are not supporters who have followd us after our promotion, these are very good supportersv u have seen bad times
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 18:52:05 GMT
Yes we are. We are relegation candidates even if we get rid of him because of the state of the squad.
We are entering a very pivotal summer and if we get it wrong, it could be another 20 odd years of hurt. Get it right and it could set us up for the future generations.
The Coates family need to make very difficult decisions and need to back the manager, whoever he is. We need to refresh the squad and start to build a squad that can last us for the next 5-7 years.
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Post by roylandstoke on May 14, 2017 18:52:55 GMT
Outside of the top 7, every team in the Premier League is a contender for relegation every season.
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Post by Naughtyfarty on May 14, 2017 18:53:51 GMT
the supporters matter,
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 18:56:39 GMT
But I thought we were going down this season if he stayed?
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Post by superheroantonius on May 14, 2017 18:59:15 GMT
Can it get a bit warm in death valley on a sunny day?
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on May 14, 2017 19:00:25 GMT
Without a doubt Hughes has had time & money to turn things around but he is incapable. Any other club in the premier league would have been shot of him a long time ago he has had a charmed time here under a very good & understanding owner. I just hope Coates has the bottle to do the right thing & pull the trigger. Who you replace him with is another matter.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 19:00:39 GMT
Can it get a bit warm in death valley on a sunny day? What?
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Post by butlerstbob on May 14, 2017 19:00:47 GMT
Come next Saturday we could be bottom 4 or 5 let that sink in and ask yourself the question again! I will give you the answer.....yes we could well be, although I am sure if we lose next week I think he's a gonner, in fact I think he's a gonner anyway!
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Post by stokiejoe on May 14, 2017 19:02:56 GMT
Yes we are. We are relegation candidates even if we get rid of him because of the state of the squad. We are entering a very pivotal summer and if we get it wrong, it could be another 20 odd years of hurt. Get it right and it could set us up for the future generations. 13th to 17th are 3pts or one win apart, that for me is far too close for comfort. We have avoided relegation this season but Hull, Middlesborough and Sunderland wont be there next season. We have scraped 41 pts at best we will get 44. Just not good enough. Not expecting great things or to top the league but do hope for a decent cup run and one or two upsets of top six teams. Don't think we should be anywhere near relegation with the money we have spent and to be fair the players we have got. Not that far from a really good team if we were fit, organised,employed decent tactics and played as a team rather than individuals. Has to be down to Scouting, training and management
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 14, 2017 19:03:23 GMT
Yes we are. We are relegation candidates even if we get rid of him because of the state of the squad. We are entering a very pivotal summer and if we get it wrong, it could be another 20 odd years of hurt. Get it right and it could set us up for the future generations. The Coates family need to make very difficult decisions and need to back the manager, whoever he is. We need to refresh the squad and start to build a squad that can last us for the next 5-7 years. Long and short of it, neglecting to sign younger, hungry players and persisting with the old guard isn't a suistainable option and it'll come back to bite us right on the arse if we end up having a shit summer.
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Post by milky on May 14, 2017 19:03:52 GMT
Without Arnie we'd have gone this season.
No two ways about it !
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Post by superheroantonius on May 14, 2017 19:04:51 GMT
Can it get a bit warm in death valley on a sunny day? What? Just being silly It's the hottest place on earth 130F 140 F??
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 14, 2017 19:04:54 GMT
Start on no points like everyone else and it's not quite scripted yet. Though I sense the upper echelons will be somewhat a parade, though hopefully Spurs will shit out at Wembley.
It may be a season where Stoke have several victories under the (non existant) twin towers. Or not.
No one really knows. We'll see.
I think the issues that separate us from getting back to 7th 8th are solveable and certainly within Sparky's grasp.
Ktf.
Until after the window at least imo.
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Post by slother on May 14, 2017 19:05:24 GMT
We're in contention with or without Hughes. The squad is a complete mess.
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Post by duckling on May 14, 2017 19:05:39 GMT
Absolutely
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 14, 2017 19:06:22 GMT
Without Arnie we'd have gone this season. No two ways about it ! I love Arnie but Martins Indi and Grant kept us up this season.
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Post by PolPotter on May 14, 2017 19:06:38 GMT
We are relegation material now so why shouldn't it be the same next season?
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Post by sean on May 14, 2017 19:08:00 GMT
Outside of the top 7, every team in the Premier League is a contender for relegation every season. This season there could be as little as 5 points between 8th and 17th in the league so our final position will be greatly affected by those late dropped home points against WBA Manure and Leicester. I know every team could say the same but would we have this level of panic if we had held on against 1 or 2 of the above and all this in a season when our best player has played 4 games.
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Post by march4 on May 14, 2017 19:11:08 GMT
We are relegation material now so why shouldn't it be the same next season? We have 5 points in the last 9 games (around a quarter of a season). That would be 22 points across all 38 games. Things are getting grim.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 14, 2017 19:17:49 GMT
People generally consider that we have been shit since the start of 2016.
So looking at league games since 1st january 2016 it is
Played. 55 Won. 16 Drawn. 15 Lost. 23 Points. 63 Points per season 43 ish?
Goals for 61 Goals against 92
So for a prolonged period of time we have shown form which leaves us teetering just above the relegation spots, and are latest run of form over the last ten games, and the performances, are the worst yet. At least this time last season and the start of this season we could point to having a shit keeper!
We are in a very precarious position with hughes in charge, that much is clear
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Post by roylandstoke on May 14, 2017 19:23:21 GMT
Yes we are. We are relegation candidates even if we get rid of him because of the state of the squad. We are entering a very pivotal summer and if we get it wrong, it could be another 20 odd years of hurt. Get it right and it could set us up for the future generations. 13th to 17th are 3pts or one win apart, that for me is far too close for comfort. We have avoided relegation this season but Hull, Middlesborough and Sunderland wont be there next season. We have scraped 41 pts at best we will get 44. Just not good enough. Not expecting great things or to top the league but do hope for a decent cup run and one or two upsets of top six teams. Don't think we should be anywhere near relegation with the money we have spent and to be fair the players we have got. Not that far from a really good team if we were fit, organised,employed decent tactics and played as a team rather than individuals. Has to be down to Scouting, training and management We are in the Premier League; every team in our league has spent millions. I think we have spent very little compared to everyone else in the league over the past 4 transfer windows.
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Post by robstokie on May 14, 2017 19:23:53 GMT
I honestly think we are if we keep Sparky, particularly considering that we look shaky at the back, overrun in midfield and toothless going forward. Then you have the problem of having a lot of over 30s and flops with little to no resale value on the books, meaning that even if we could offload certain players, it would not generate the money needed to bring in the quality or nous in midfield that we severely lack. What is needed in my opinion is a clear-out and try to rebuild, for me it's not a gamble as if we don't do it this summer, we could well go down anyway
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