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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 28, 2017 14:58:03 GMT
Fair enough but that's a valid point about the quality of our support, compromised as it is by a growing sense of entitlement. It's not the same as saying there has been no on-field 'disappointment' this season. Whether you take us garnering just 1 point from the first possible 18, our complete abdication in the cup competitions, our failure to score an away goal since January 10th, our string of 4 goal drubbings...whatever measure you care to put on it there has been disappointment this season and unfortunately its come in spades You're not allowed to be disappointed or vocalise your frustration. He must have a major problem with Coates then who uttered the word disappointing about 20 times in one short interview the other week. No one is stopping you from saying or doing anything just challenging the shite you keep dribbling. Mardarse.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2017 15:03:02 GMT
Come on mate, you know that's not true. Who for example was happy that we flunked out of both cup competitions (our only realistic chance of any success) at more or less the first hurdle at home to hapless Hull and Wolves both of whom fielded weakened teams? No one could have fixed an inane grin on their face and smiled their way through those 2 defeats could they ? My mate is a Wolves fan and sat amongst our fellow Stoke City supporters, naturally he was chuffed with the result, but the one thing he still talks about now is how shocking our support was and how precious we have become. Look on here every day you can see it, after the Hull game we had 'yeah we scored 3 world class goals but some of the other stuff was shocking', its laughable if it wasn't your own club. Not to mention the disgraceful booing at the substitutions against Hull. When you see that happening you have to be grateful we have experienced players, who obviously have more pride in the club than some of these supporters. Have you given yourself a sticker?
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Post by geoffscott on Apr 28, 2017 15:04:48 GMT
Fair enough but that's a valid point about the quality of our support, compromised as it is by a growing sense of entitlement. It's not the same as saying there has been no on-field 'disappointment' this season. Whether you take us garnering just 1 point from the first possible 18, our complete abdication in the cup competitions, our failure to score an away goal since January 10th, our string of 4 goal drubbings...whatever measure you care to put on it there has been disappointment this season and unfortunately its come in spades You're not allowed to be disappointed or vocalise your frustration. He must have a major problem with Coates then who uttered the word disappointing about 20 times in one short interview the other week. We obviously all have different levels of expectation and disappointment. For me its disappointing that fans are apparently paying money going to Stoke games, with the mind-set they will shout abuse rather than support the team. The Hull 'support' was laughable and embarrassing in equal measures. Total respect to Mark Hughes, Peter Crouch and Jonathon Walters for the 3 points they helped win in that game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2017 15:06:32 GMT
You're not allowed to be disappointed or vocalise your frustration. He must have a major problem with Coates then who uttered the word disappointing about 20 times in one short interview the other week. We obviously all have different levels of expectation and disappointment. For me its disappointing that fans are apparently paying money going to Stoke games, with the mind-set they will shout abuse rather than support the team. The Hull 'support' was laughable and embarrassing in equal measures. Total respect to Mark Hughes, Peter Crouch and Jonathon Walters for the 3 points they helped win in that game. The latter two wouldn't have been needed if the former did his job right in the first place!
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Post by alster on Apr 28, 2017 15:09:50 GMT
You're not allowed to be disappointed or vocalise your frustration. He must have a major problem with Coates then who uttered the word disappointing about 20 times in one short interview the other week. No one is stopping you from saying or doing anything just challenging the shite you keep dribbling. Mardarse. That's my point, I'm voicing my opinion as a long standing supporter of the club part of its fabric. Its nearly as valid as the owner expressing his opinions and certainly more valid than the opinion of someone who's only passing through and being payed a kings ransom for being there.
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Post by geoffscott on Apr 28, 2017 15:16:23 GMT
We obviously all have different levels of expectation and disappointment. For me its disappointing that fans are apparently paying money going to Stoke games, with the mind-set they will shout abuse rather than support the team. The Hull 'support' was laughable and embarrassing in equal measures. Total respect to Mark Hughes, Peter Crouch and Jonathon Walters for the 3 points they helped win in that game. The latter two wouldn't have been needed if the former did his job right in the first place! I don't understand the logic to that statement and I'm afraid to ask for an explanation, so let's just say OK
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2017 15:25:35 GMT
The latter two wouldn't have been needed if the former did his job right in the first place! I don't understand the logic to that statement and I'm afraid to ask for an explanation, so let's just say OK It doesn't surprise me!
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Post by geoffscott on Apr 28, 2017 15:31:57 GMT
I don't understand the logic to that statement and I'm afraid to ask for an explanation, so let's just say OK It doesn't surprise me! So I don't get another sticker 😉
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Post by tcks on Apr 28, 2017 16:29:59 GMT
Just for once I'd like MH to hold his hands up and say I got it wrong. We all make mistakes as we know but I think he believes every thing he does is unreproachable.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 28, 2017 16:35:17 GMT
The expectation of the football we expect our team to be playing based on what he himself, as our manager created. He's acknowledged that we've fallen short of those standards but stated that all is not lost and that there is still positives to strive for in the games remaining this season. As I say, some people will moan and pick fault with absolutely anything. Fallen short of those standards for 15 months not a few games though Dave.If youre happy with what's on offer then fair play to you but don't forget as the Chairman said "we have the best squad of players we've ever had" so maybe folk have the right to be a tad pissed off at the minute Of course I'm not happy. I'm sick to my back teeth of watching crouch waddle around the pitch whilst Joe Allen does his weekly dean whitehead impersonation. That's not the point though is it? Our manager has acknowledged that we've fallen short of the standards expected of us, standards he himself created for our team and club. He's also acknowledged that we still have much to play for in the last few games of the season and that we are striving to be better than we've been. Despite each of these things, he's seemingly being slaughtered for three words by people who've got nowt better to do with their time other than moan about absolutely everything.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 28, 2017 16:42:22 GMT
Hughes said after the West Ham game last season that, at times, the fans here 'demand' that you bang it long and chase after it. I've just tweaked one of the words slightly. (naughty). It's roughly 1 minute in on the video in the link: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36240338I remember Chief Delilah being particularly pissed off with that, and rightly so. It's Hughes's "steak and chips" moment. For what it's worth, I think fans have been pretty patient with Hughes. Why would anyone be pissed off with that statement. It is absolutely 100% true. A good number, a majority I would say, moan and groan about any backward or sideways pass, you will often here the shouts of "get it fucking forward" and then the same absolute morons then moan and whinge at Ryan when he whacks ot forward in the general direction of no one. Hughes is absolutely right in those comments he made.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 28, 2017 17:16:37 GMT
The expectation of the football we expect our team to be playing based on what he himself, as our manager created. He's acknowledged that we've fallen short of those standards but stated that all is not lost and that there is still positives to strive for in the games remaining this season. As I say, some people will moan and pick fault with absolutely anything. spot on. there are some attention seeking idiots on here, and the more the manager winds them up, the better as far as I'm concerned I just wish they'd find something better to do with their time than posting the same old drivel on here again and again and again and again.... When you say attention seeking you mean people with a difference of opinion right......
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 28, 2017 17:17:55 GMT
I don't think Hughes is saying that is he? I think his comments are perfectly reasonable. He knows we've fallen short of the standards he himself set for this club and he's acknowledged that. Some people will pick fault with absolutely everything even when there is no need to pick fault. Exactly! The only real disappointment this season has been a small minority of supporters, who seem to be losing a sense of realism as to what supporting Stoke City is about. Are you happy with how the squad is being used and the signings we are making re contracts for next season?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 28, 2017 17:20:49 GMT
I remember Chief Delilah being particularly pissed off with that, and rightly so. It's Hughes's "steak and chips" moment. For what it's worth, I think fans have been pretty patient with Hughes. Why would anyone be pissed off with that statement. It is absolutely 100% true. A good number, a majority I would say, moan and groan about any backward or sideways pass, you will often here the shouts of "get it fucking forward" and then the same absolute morons then moan and whinge at Ryan when he whacks ot forward in the general direction of no one. Hughes is absolutely right in those comments he made. No he isn't, people moan at the boring pointless passes at the back, you don't need to hoof it to get it forward quickly, the way we've been playing is ponderous garbage and that is just another thing people aren't happy about, he won't be gone, Coates will want his man to stay and change things, for our sake I hope he does but there's a lot of things that he needs to change for that to happen.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 28, 2017 17:28:33 GMT
Exactly! The only real disappointment this season has been a small minority of supporters, who seem to be losing a sense of realism as to what supporting Stoke City is about. Are you happy with how the squad is being used and the signings we are making re contracts for next season? I've no problem with the contract offer for Johnson providing bardsley goes. Crouch should be retired rather than having another contract. Utilising our current squad? Not too sure what there is to complain about in all honesty. Ramadan and diouf could feel hard done by. I'm not so sure the same could be said for the rest of them. Injuries are a huge frustration and I think some of the players have really let the manager down, hence they find themselves out of the squad or away from the club.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 28, 2017 17:32:36 GMT
Why would anyone be pissed off with that statement. It is absolutely 100% true. A good number, a majority I would say, moan and groan about any backward or sideways pass, you will often here the shouts of "get it fucking forward" and then the same absolute morons then moan and whinge at Ryan when he whacks ot forward in the general direction of no one. Hughes is absolutely right in those comments he made. No he isn't, people moan at the boring pointless passes at the back, you don't need to hoof it to get it forward quickly, the way we've been playing is ponderous garbage and that is just another thing people aren't happy about, he won't be gone, Coates will want his man to stay and change things, for our sake I hope he does but there's a lot of things that he needs to change for that to happen. That may be so but even when we are playing well there are audible groans at a backwards or sideways pass. It's always been the case at stoke. The crowd love a trier but anyone with an ounce of ability is subject to suspicion and criticism. Only at stoke could shit like Andy Cooke, ade akinbiyi, dean whitehead and Jon Walters (and countless others) be lauded as some kind of hero.
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 28, 2017 18:15:55 GMT
I agree with Dave johnno up to a point but I would love to know what the stats are for games played win/losses etc since Liverpool defeat in Carling Cup last January. Barring the odd streak I am sure it would be pretty rough reading especially goals for and against, and this with our best squad of all time.. That's what the issue is.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 28, 2017 18:36:26 GMT
I thought Hughes was spot on in his press conference, sometimes though spelling out the reality doesn't always go down well with fans.
This present Stoke squad by the way is not the best of all time either in quality or league position.
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 28, 2017 18:43:24 GMT
I think Coates said best squad etc..I don't agree but its underperforming at present.
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Post by jarvinski on Apr 28, 2017 18:46:32 GMT
Apart from Hull away, i can't think of a top performance
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Post by jarvinski on Apr 28, 2017 18:48:18 GMT
Apart from Hull away, i can't think of a good all round performance
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Post by jarvinski on Apr 28, 2017 18:48:29 GMT
Apart from Hull away, i can't think of a good all round performance
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 28, 2017 18:48:46 GMT
Apart from Hull away, i can't think of a top performance Watford away was a very good away performance (including, whisper it, a MoM showing from Imbula!).
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Post by BuzzB on Apr 28, 2017 22:25:42 GMT
I agree with Dave johnno up to a point but I would love to know what the stats are for games played win/losses etc since Liverpool defeat in Carling Cup last January. Barring the odd streak I am sure it would be pretty rough reading especially goals for and against, and this with our best squad of all time.. That's what the issue is. Didn't do the goals for and against but this is how it is; P 48 W 15 D 11 L 22 Those wins; Middlesborough Hull x 2 Bournemouth Sunderland x 2 Villa Newcastle Swansea Watford x 3 Burnley W Ham Palace
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