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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 25, 2017 15:20:36 GMT
My overriding memory of him is bringing a Liverpool side that was gunning for the title and playing full backs on the wing to counter us. I'm not a fan. Was that also the game which he omitted Torres (and Gerrard?) from the starting line up? I think like Hughes,he over-thinks things which leads him to make some bizarre selections. It could have been, there were a couple where he seemed to treat us too seriously. I don't like that attitude from a manager at a supposed top club. Fergie never did it, Mourinho never really did. They struggled but still came to the Brit to play their way, compete physically but not completely mash things up.
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Post by coupe on Apr 25, 2017 15:24:09 GMT
The very fact that he's such a good cup manager would swing it for me, as I think that's our most realistic next objective. I really aren't that fussed if we finish 8th or 14th I'd rather enjoy the 19 home games in the Prem than pin my hopes on a cup. Rafa's not the best for entertaining football. Well if we are ever fortunate enough to get to another cup final I would not give a toss how we won it ugly or not winners end up in the record books. I would still enjoy the satisfaction of winning as much and so would the majority of Stoke fans.
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Post by alster on Apr 25, 2017 15:37:15 GMT
I'd rather enjoy the 19 home games in the Prem than pin my hopes on a cup. Rafa's not the best for entertaining football. Well if we are ever fortunate enough to get to another cup final I would not give a toss how we won it ugly or not winners end up in the record books. I would still enjoy the satisfaction of winning as much and so would the majority of Stoke fans. Theres no real suggestion that ugly football wins things though is there. Why be inhibited trying to win a cup that might possibly happen and sacrifice the enjoyment of 19/38 games a season that definitely will happen?
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 25, 2017 15:43:39 GMT
I am sure Mark Hughes will be here at the start of next season, but the club will not say anything till he has secured a mid-table place. Then I expect it will be made very clear to him that he must do better next season.
I also don't expect much change among the top 7 clubs management. Only Wenger's position is at risk and he clearly has a powerful hold on it.
So if Benitez has had enough of working for the contemptible Ashley, the insatiable Newcastle fans/media/public, and the commuting, then there is remote chance Coates could secure his services. That is assuming he minded to pay an exorbitant salary and risk him jumping ship when the first juicy offer comes along from a CL club, or the wealthy owners of West Brom or Leicester or West Ham are wanting a more high profile accomplished manager.
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Post by coupe on Apr 25, 2017 15:49:35 GMT
Mourinho as won loads of trophys playing ugly, everybody used to rave on about Guardiola when he was at Barca now at Man City he as found out how difficult the Prem is (the only league in the world if you turn up on 75% gas against the bottom teams you will get beat).
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Post by senojbor on Apr 25, 2017 15:53:41 GMT
Like Tony Pulis I think Mark Hughes' time has run it's course.
I think a top managerial appointment along the lines of Mancini, Ranieri or Benitez would really signal the intentions and ambitions of the club.
Believe you me these guys are winners and managed the very best clubs in Europe.
Go for it Coatsy
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Post by alster on Apr 25, 2017 16:02:35 GMT
Mourinho as won loads of trophys playing ugly, everybody used to rave on about Guardiola when he was at Barca now at Man City he as found out how difficult the Prem is (the only league in the world if you turn up on 75% gas against the bottom teams you will get beat). The Mourinho winning ugly thing is a bit of a myth to be honest. He won the Champs League with Inter with very dour tactics but many of his other trophy winning teams have been just a very good balance between flair and physical thats why he wins things everywhere he goes. Granted he's not bothered whether the football is flowing or not and he does sometimes set out to kill games from the off which I don't like but his teams are certainly not stripped of all flair.
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Post by coupe on Apr 25, 2017 16:09:59 GMT
His teams are not stripped of flair for the simple fact he manages the very top teams only, who can afford to spend silly money mid table teams like Stoke will never attract the players you crave for, because to me that is where Hughes as gone wrong this season trying to go toe to toe with the likes of Man C. & Spurs & Chelsea.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 25, 2017 16:12:37 GMT
I would be surprised if Rafa would be interested in the Stoke job, managers like him want a big club that can win trophies or a big club that is underperforming, Stoke are neither of those. If Stoke sacked Hughes, the new contenders might well want to ask Peter Coates why Hughes was sacked after three 9th place finishes and where he expects the club to finish in the PL in the future.
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Post by coupe on Apr 25, 2017 16:19:23 GMT
I would be surprised if Rafa would be interested in the Stoke job, managers like him want a big club that can win trophies or a big club that is underperforming, Stoke are neither of those. If Stoke sacked Hughes, the new contenders might well want to ask Peter Coates why Hughes was sacked after three 9th place finishes and where he expects the club to finish in the PL in the future. Because we have posters on here who think Stoke are 5 times a bigger club than it really is and we should be playing like Brazil, with players whose market value is a 1/10th of the top 4 club players in our league, it's like asking a Mini to out run a Ferrari in a F1 race.
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 25, 2017 16:22:17 GMT
I would be surprised if Rafa would be interested in the Stoke job, managers like him want a big club that can win trophies or a big club that is underperforming, Stoke are neither of those. If Stoke sacked Hughes, the new contenders might well want to ask Peter Coates why Hughes was sacked after three 9th place finishes and where he expects the club to finish in the PL in the future. As with the end of Vinegar Tits reign with us, for me its more the management of the team / squad and performances that make me want to see the back of Hughes, coupled with the fact that I wouldnt trust him with another penny of funds. I don't want to watch this turgid shit anymore and even come away from wins thinking "meh" just to say "but we finished 9th don't you know"
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 25, 2017 16:28:40 GMT
Stoke have a mid table PL squad, outside of the big 6/7 clubs which other PL club is producing fast attacking football and getting consistent results?
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Post by coupe on Apr 25, 2017 16:30:14 GMT
Well I would like to see the reaction on here if we were just above the relegation spot playing open expansive football some of you on here crave for I for one think it would go into meltdown.
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Post by coupe on Apr 25, 2017 16:32:34 GMT
Stoke have a mid table PL squad, outside of the big 6/7 clubs which other PL club is producing fast attacking football and getting consistent results? Non to my knowledge but some on here are confusing it with fifa 17 lol.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 25, 2017 16:38:05 GMT
Appointing him would be a statement of intent. He wouldn't join unless there was a promise of investment and an attempt to maybe get in europe or win a cup.
He also wants a long term project doesn't he? He wont get that at newcastle. Here he could also be tasked with bringing through young players.
I would be delighted if he was appointed.
If we stick with hughes I just hope he has a plan and we go all out to get his top targets because I cannot work out what he has been trying to achieve. We look miles of being contenders for a cup or a top 7
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Post by alster on Apr 25, 2017 17:15:04 GMT
His teams are not stripped of flair for the simple fact he manages the very top teams only, who can afford to spend silly money mid table teams like Stoke will never attract the players you crave for, because to me that is where Hughes as gone wrong this season trying to go toe to toe with the likes of Man C. & Spurs & Chelsea. Hughes hasn't been the least bit gung ho this season that's what shit loads of people are complaining about. After the glut of 4 something losses he's stripped the team of flair and made it boring as fuck to watch. You might crave boring football but many people don't, he proved in his first 2 season that "teams like Stoke" don't need to play boring ugly football to survive and prosper in this league.
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Post by dieguito88 on Apr 25, 2017 17:25:00 GMT
Stoke have a mid table PL squad, outside of the big 6/7 clubs which other PL club is producing fast attacking football and getting consistent results? Everton, Southampton, Wba, West ham and others. The fact we are not playing good football, the fact that there isn't a clear plan (or more than 1 plan) to win games, that we found more difficoult to score enough goals to see a positive goal difference, that we had only won with team in scrappy relegation zone, ect ect is difficult to trust this manager with other big investment in the market. In this 2 years has been more unsuccessful the big moneys investment rather than positives. And the core of the squad, is really old now and needs changes as well.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 25, 2017 17:32:49 GMT
Excellent thread title by the way.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 25, 2017 17:46:25 GMT
Stoke have a mid table PL squad, outside of the big 6/7 clubs which other PL club is producing fast attacking football and getting consistent results? Everton, Southampton, Wba, West ham and others. The fact we are not playing good football, the fact that there isn't a clear plan (or more than 1 plan) to win games, that we found more difficoult to score enough goals to see a positive goal difference, that we had only won with team in scrappy relegation zone, ect ect is difficult to trust this manager with other big investment in the market. In this 2 years has been more unsuccessful the big moneys investment rather than positives. And the core of the squad, is really old now and needs changes as well. I include Everton in the top 7 clubs. Southampton have scored 37 goals this season, WBA 39, Stoke 37, West Ham have lost 16 games, hardly consistent.
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Post by Onneravineet on Apr 25, 2017 17:49:50 GMT
I would be surprised if Rafa would be interested in the Stoke job, managers like him want a big club that can win trophies or a big club that is underperforming, Stoke are neither of those. If Stoke sacked Hughes, the new contenders might well want to ask Peter Coates why Hughes was sacked after three 9th place finishes and where he expects the club to finish in the PL in the future. Because we have posters on here who think Stoke are 5 times a bigger club than it really is and we should be playing like Brazil, with players whose market value is a 1/10th of the top 4 club players in our league, it's like asking a Mini to out run a Ferrari in a F1 race. That's bollox. Hughes has served up dower football and at times utter baffling errors that have served to waste millions and dismantle so much promise. I am not disillusioned nor do I expect Stoke to be Champions League. However, Hughes should be relieved of his duties as he has completely lost his way.
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Post by coupe on Apr 25, 2017 18:02:24 GMT
His teams are not stripped of flair for the simple fact he manages the very top teams only, who can afford to spend silly money mid table teams like Stoke will never attract the players you crave for, because to me that is where Hughes as gone wrong this season trying to go toe to toe with the likes of Man C. & Spurs & Chelsea. Hughes hasn't been the least bit gung ho this season that's what shit loads of people are complaining about. After the glut of 4 something losses he's stripped the team of flair and made it boring as fuck to watch. You might crave boring football but many people don't, he proved in his first 2 season that "teams like Stoke" don't need to play boring ugly football to survive and prosper in this league. I don't crave boring football, I myself have come to the crossroads with him but there is no use pulling the plug until the seasons over, but 95% of your posts are always negative towards the club which does irritate me a little but all his signings as you go on about are not that bad compared to the likes of Pericard,Sonko,Palacious to name but a few.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 25, 2017 18:04:44 GMT
I've read posts talking about the Stoke squad being the most expensive in the clubs history and that is true, but it's only true because of the huge financial bubble in transfer fees in the PL. Putting this into some sort of perspective, what would a 25 year old Stanley Matthews cost if playing in the PL today, my guess would be considerably more than the entire Stoke team that faced Swansea on Saturday. Stoke may have the most expensive squad in their history but in the main it does not have the sort of quality that the top seven clubs have, in that respect Hughes has done a remarkable job in achieving three 9th place finishes, he should be excused one below par season.
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Post by alster on Apr 25, 2017 18:09:06 GMT
Stoke have a mid table PL squad, outside of the big 6/7 clubs which other PL club is producing fast attacking football and getting consistent results? We're playing slow boring football and not getting consistent results is that supposed to be better. Hughes has proved that you can play a far better brand of football and survive and even prosper to an extent in the Premier League. Quite why he's abandoned the course he set is anybody's guess. His new tac doesn't seem to have many admirers though.
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Post by dieguito88 on Apr 25, 2017 18:17:07 GMT
Everton, Southampton, Wba, West ham and others. The fact we are not playing good football, the fact that there isn't a clear plan (or more than 1 plan) to win games, that we found more difficoult to score enough goals to see a positive goal difference, that we had only won with team in scrappy relegation zone, ect ect is difficult to trust this manager with other big investment in the market. In this 2 years has been more unsuccessful the big moneys investment rather than positives. And the core of the squad, is really old now and needs changes as well. I include Everton in the top 7 clubs. Southampton have scored 37 goals this season, WBA 39, Stoke 37, West Ham have lost 16 games, hardly consistent. But surely all has a better defensive record. Not sure about the clean sheet.
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Post by dieguito88 on Apr 25, 2017 18:18:36 GMT
I've read posts talking about the Stoke squad being the most expensive in the clubs history and that is true, but it's only true because of the huge financial bubble in transfer fees in the PL. Putting this into some sort of perspective, what would a 25 year old Stanley Matthews cost if playing in the PL today, my guess would be considerably more than the entire Stoke team that faced Swansea on Saturday. Stoke may have the most expensive squad in their history but in the main it does not have the sort of quality that the top seven clubs have, in that respect Hughes has done a remarkable job in achieving three 9th place finishes, he should be excused one below par season. In fact regression is a big problem, and maybe the change we need is better doing at the end of the season before it could be too late.
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Post by alster on Apr 25, 2017 18:20:59 GMT
Hughes hasn't been the least bit gung ho this season that's what shit loads of people are complaining about. After the glut of 4 something losses he's stripped the team of flair and made it boring as fuck to watch. You might crave boring football but many people don't, he proved in his first 2 season that "teams like Stoke" don't need to play boring ugly football to survive and prosper in this league. I don't crave boring football, I myself have come to the crossroads with him but there is no use pulling the plug until the seasons over, but 95% of your posts are always negative towards the club which does irritate me a little but all his signings as you go on about are not that bad compared to the likes of Pericard,Sonko,Palacious to name but a few. Again you're confusing me with someone else I don't lay into him with regard to his signings. How he chooses to use them is another matter entirely and also I've never advocated pulling the plug during the season. What I have said is the decision should already be made and a progressive replacement sounded out. Due to the dearth of remotely interesting British candidates it would have to be foreign. I accept many foreign managers don't adapt well thats why I would only want someone who has had relative success in more than one country. For me thats Favre, Silva, Jokanovik (?sp Fulham manager). Coates is old and he may have a preference for British but he's also a fan who will have ambition for the club which non of the domestic candidates would be any more likely to satisfy than Hughes, who I still believe to be a good manager. I just think he's got himself in such a mess here a fresh start would benefit all parties.
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Post by coupe on Apr 25, 2017 18:31:09 GMT
I am not averse to a foreign manager as the British ones now are thin on the ground, no way would I want Pardew,Pearson Howe or Dyche so that leaves very little else in that market other than Hughton who I doubt would leave Brighton.
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Post by uknorse on Apr 25, 2017 18:38:46 GMT
Seriously? If Hughes was to leave he would be a fantastic coup and appointment Don't want him either, never been keen on his football. Along the lines of Pulis he's far too happy to suck all the enjoyment out of games to get a result. Not for me. as opposed the the fkn tactical genius we have no u mean?
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 25, 2017 18:39:28 GMT
Stoke have a mid table PL squad, outside of the big 6/7 clubs which other PL club is producing fast attacking football and getting consistent results? We're playing slow boring football and not getting consistent results is that supposed to be better. Hughes has proved that you can play a far better brand of football and survive and even prosper to an extent in the Premier League. Quite why he's abandoned the course he set is anybody's guess. His new tac doesn't seem to have many admirers though. When results are not so good confidence becomes a problem and players can stop doing the things they are good at. Fans then start to put all aspects of the club and manager under the microscope, from things like the signings to the way the manager conducts himself on the touchline. A few good results and the mood amongst the players and fans changes dramatically, whether some players have been a waste of money or others are not trying becomes fairly irrelevant, the thing is that in the PL clubs like Stoke will have lengthy periods when results are not good and different fans will react in different ways, I don't sense though there is a mood among most fans to see the manager removed.
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Post by alster on Apr 25, 2017 18:49:47 GMT
We're playing slow boring football and not getting consistent results is that supposed to be better. Hughes has proved that you can play a far better brand of football and survive and even prosper to an extent in the Premier League. Quite why he's abandoned the course he set is anybody's guess. His new tac doesn't seem to have many admirers though. When results are not so good confidence becomes a problem and players can stop doing the things they are good at. Fans then start to put all aspects of the club and manager under the microscope, from things like the signings to the way the manager conducts himself on the touchline. A few good results and the mood amongst the players and fans changes dramatically, whether some players have been a waste of money or others are not trying becomes fairly irrelevant, the thing is that in the PL clubs like Stoke will have lengthy periods when results are not good and different fans will react in different ways, I don't sense though there is a mood among most fans to see the manager removed. Maybe you need to get your senses checked out they're not working too good.
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