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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 25, 2017 10:58:46 GMT
My overriding memory of him is bringing a Liverpool side that was gunning for the title and playing full backs on the wing to counter us. I'm not a fan. I remember that too Bayern but, we have Hughes..... qpr? That Liverpool team were arrogant shits tho ...maybe a lot of the problems stemmed from players ego's....all wanting 90minutes and he was swapping and changing the team sheet a lot that last season Wasn't he? Every manager we'll be linked with will have a crap job in there, it's par for the course. I've never liked Rafa though and think he's underachieved in the last decade with what he's had.
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Post by werrington on Apr 25, 2017 11:03:09 GMT
Failed ?...Real Madrid and Napoli!!! Fuck me I'm out How did those two jobs work out for him? Managing a big club doesn't make you a good manager. Juande Ramos inexplicably got jobs at Spurs and Real Madrid, tanking at both. He has hardly failed at Newcastle. He took over when they were already pretty well doomed and has got them promoted at the first attempt. Surprisingly, most relegated teams don't get back to the Prem at the first attempt - so I'd say he's been a success. I'd call it a C+, since he was brought in to keep them up and failed to do so. Promotion on the first attempt isn't easy, but they managed it under Chris Hughton last time, and second place really is the bare minimum that would have been expected of them at the start of the season. Whooooosh
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 11:10:30 GMT
I remember that too Bayern but, we have Hughes..... qpr? That Liverpool team were arrogant shits tho ...maybe a lot of the problems stemmed from players ego's....all wanting 90minutes and he was swapping and changing the team sheet a lot that last season Wasn't he? Every manager we'll be linked with will have a crap job in there, it's par for the course. I've never liked Rafa though and think he's underachieved in the last decade with what he's had. Your thoughts Compared with Hughes?
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Post by coupe on Apr 25, 2017 11:20:27 GMT
It amazes me on here when people dismiss alternative manager's in place of Hughes who have a quality cv in being EUFA manager of the year EUFA trophys in abundance, and they don't come up with who they want but are quick to slag off everybody else's choice. Quality managers attract quality player's so for those who crave expansive football as their goal please enlighten us in telling us who you think can bring that to Stoke City Mark Hughes has done so! You. have missed the point I was making, I am on about certain posters on here who berate Hughes saying they want to see us playing expansive football then berate anyone else's alternative choice for the next manager but never divulge who they want. On a personal note I am disappointed with the way the season as panned out and saying Hughes as wasted over £50 million which I disagree with, no one was saying about these player's being bad buys when we bought them in and in all fairness £18 million is no longer a big buy if you are trying to get a top 6 finish which in this day and age that probably will not be allowed to happen again after seeing Leicester do it, and then the reaction by the big clubs in lashing mega millions deals for players afterwards.Personally I hope Hughes gets the chance to carry on and put this season down to a blip 3 9th place finishes for our club is a achievement in itself and he deserves our loyalty I have seen enough of lower league football in my lifetime watching Stoke and all my Villa mates envious of our club the way it's run and our stability something they have never said before in their lifetime's and I trust Peter Coates to do what he as to for the best interests for Stoke City, but we will find that answer once the season as come to close.
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Post by alster on Apr 25, 2017 11:34:54 GMT
You. have missed the point I was making, I am on about certain posters on here who berate Hughes saying they want to see us playing expansive football then berate anyone else's alternative choice for the next manager but never divulge who they want. On a personal note I am disappointed with the way the season as panned out and saying Hughes as wasted over £50 million which I disagree with, no one was saying about these player's being bad buys when we bought them in and in all fairness £18 million is no longer a big buy if you are trying to get a top 6 finish which in this day and age that probably will not be allowed to happen again after seeing Leicester do it, and then the reaction by the big clubs in lashing mega millions deals for players afterwards.Personally I hope Hughes gets the chance to carry on and put this season down to a blip 3 9th place finishes for our club is a achievement in itself and he deserves our loyalty I have seen enough of lower league football in my lifetime watching Stoke and all my Villa mates envious of our club the way it's run and our stability something they have never said before in their lifetime's and I trust Peter Coates to do what he as to for the best interests for Stoke City, but we will find that answer once the season as come to close. Is them not divulging who they want the same as you not divulging who they are? There have been plenty of alternatives suggested that appeal to differing personalities. Saying Coates would never go for them and then pretending that they haven't been put forward just doesn't work, unless you are actually Peter Coates you're just second guessing what may be going on between his ears. I agree ref the money issue on transfers I don't think thats the massive stick to beat Hughes with that some posters seem to think it is. Why bother slating him for making some transfers that didn't go too well when there is the massive fucking baseball bat to hand that is the diabolical football his team has been playing for a sustained period of around 16 months.
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Post by PB1863 on Apr 25, 2017 11:41:52 GMT
You'd think Rafa would be keen to rebuild Newcastle to the once big club they were. They have an excellent fan base and I'd imagine he will want a big kitty to spend on transfers to keep them happy. Will he get it? If he doesn't he could be looking at options. Regardless I hope Hughes stays and hopefully has an injury free team to add to in 17/18
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Post by RAF on Apr 25, 2017 11:47:30 GMT
Rafa Benitez? After all the pre menstrual whining on here about Hughes spunking money on expensive useless players and some are calling for the fat Spanish Waiter? You couldn't fucking make it up honestly you couldn't.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 25, 2017 12:18:13 GMT
Every manager we'll be linked with will have a crap job in there, it's par for the course. I've never liked Rafa though and think he's underachieved in the last decade with what he's had. Your thoughts Compared with Hughes? Rafa is clearly a better manager of his career. It just feels to me that we're stagnant and need a fresh face whoever that may be. I don't think he'll get the boot though.
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 25, 2017 12:20:56 GMT
Until someone from the hierarchy of the club confirm Hughes will be here next season speculation will increase and only get more news intense should we have more dodgy results until the end of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 12:26:06 GMT
Your thoughts Compared with Hughes? Rafa is clearly a better manager of his career. It just feels to me that we're stagnant and need a fresh face whoever that may be. I don't think he'll get the boot though. Which looks the freshest....
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Post by shrewspotter on Apr 25, 2017 12:29:29 GMT
Very good manager IMO, but cannot see it happening, in fact I can not see Rafa leaving Newcastle despite the rumours
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 25, 2017 12:51:07 GMT
I would have Rafa here in a Heartbeat, would have us in and around the top 8,playing good nogger, and could well win us a cup.
Cant see it happening though, if he did leave Newcastle, there would be bigger clubs than us after him.
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 25, 2017 12:53:40 GMT
I would prefer a young vibrant manager on the up, not one who would see us as beneath his real station in life at a Champions League club.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 12:56:58 GMT
Since Liverpool, he's failed in every single job that he's had. The exception to that is Chelsea, but he was only there for ten minutes. Even Liverpool never really recovered from the mess he made in his last season there. He has hardly failed at Newcastle. He took over when they were already pretty well doomed and has got them promoted at the first attempt. Surprisingly, most relegated teams don't get back to the Prem at the first attempt - so I'd say he's been a success. I'd not for a minute suggest he has failed but I wouldn't say he's been a success at Newcastle either. If I was a Geordie I'd expect the Championship to be wrapped up by now with the budget they have spent and the calibre of their manager, regardless if everyone is treating them like a Cup Final. Still have him here mind you so I don't really know what I'm getting at.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Apr 25, 2017 13:06:27 GMT
Hypothetically I would take him for sure. We need a change, if things went right he could push us on, if they didn't there would be no implosions. But I'm afraid I can't see it happening at all.
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Post by skip on Apr 25, 2017 13:21:40 GMT
Hypothetically I would take him for sure. We need a change, if things went right he could push us on, if they didn't there would be no implosions. But I'm afraid I can't see it happening at all. Is that position definable as pragmatist realist? <watches the embers of optimism dampen down to a squib>
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 14:08:49 GMT
Marco Silva is still the one for me. Fantastic record abroad, comes to the premier league and does a brilliant job with a cesspool of a Hull side.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Apr 25, 2017 14:24:05 GMT
Hypothetically I would take him for sure. We need a change, if things went right he could push us on, if they didn't there would be no implosions. But I'm afraid I can't see it happening at all. Is that position definable as pragmatist realist? <watches the embers of optimism dampen down to a squib> Watch out, those embers can burn your fingers!
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Post by coupe on Apr 25, 2017 14:26:04 GMT
You. have missed the point I was making, I am on about certain posters on here who berate Hughes saying they want to see us playing expansive football then berate anyone else's alternative choice for the next manager but never divulge who they want. On a personal note I am disappointed with the way the season as panned out and saying Hughes as wasted over £50 million which I disagree with, no one was saying about these player's being bad buys when we bought them in and in all fairness £18 million is no longer a big buy if you are trying to get a top 6 finish which in this day and age that probably will not be allowed to happen again after seeing Leicester do it, and then the reaction by the big clubs in lashing mega millions deals for players afterwards.Personally I hope Hughes gets the chance to carry on and put this season down to a blip 3 9th place finishes for our club is a achievement in itself and he deserves our loyalty I have seen enough of lower league football in my lifetime watching Stoke and all my Villa mates envious of our club the way it's run and our stability something they have never said before in their lifetime's and I trust Peter Coates to do what he as to for the best interests for Stoke City, but we will find that answer once the season as come to close. Is them not divulging who they want the same as you not divulging who they are? There have been plenty of alternatives suggested that appeal to differing personalities. Saying Coates would never go for them and then pretending that they haven't been put forward just doesn't work, unless you are actually Peter Coates you're just second guessing what may be going on between his ears. I agree ref the money issue on transfers I don't think thats the massive stick to beat Hughes with that some posters seem to think it is. Why bother slating him for making some transfers that didn't go too well when there is the massive fucking baseball bat to hand that is the diabolical football his team has been playing for a sustained period of around 16 months. Well I have asked you on previous threads what manager you would prefer but have been ignored and did not want name you without having no response off you previously as that would be childish, you come out with stats of 16 months but 3 9th place finishes should not be ignored either as no other manager as ever achieved this feat and I find it hard to agree with someone who fails to find anything positive to say about our club,so do please enlighten me on who you would like to replace Hughes.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 25, 2017 14:29:13 GMT
You know what? I'm not overly struck on him as a manager. His football is not as free-flowing and slick as you'd like to imagine. He's quite pragmatic in his approach and I honestly don't think he'd have us playing much differently. He'd be Mark Hughes with a fancier name.
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Post by alster on Apr 25, 2017 14:37:14 GMT
Is them not divulging who they want the same as you not divulging who they are? There have been plenty of alternatives suggested that appeal to differing personalities. Saying Coates would never go for them and then pretending that they haven't been put forward just doesn't work, unless you are actually Peter Coates you're just second guessing what may be going on between his ears. I agree ref the money issue on transfers I don't think thats the massive stick to beat Hughes with that some posters seem to think it is. Why bother slating him for making some transfers that didn't go too well when there is the massive fucking baseball bat to hand that is the diabolical football his team has been playing for a sustained period of around 16 months. Well I have asked you on previous threads what manager you would prefer but have been ignored and did not want name you without having no response off you previously as that would be childish, you come out with stats of 16 months but 3 9th place finishes should not be ignored either as no other manager as ever achieved this feat and I find it hard to agree with someone who fails to find anything positive to say about our club,so do please enlighten me on who you would like to replace Hughes. Me Lucien Favre I've been banging his drum for months, I wouldn't have missed a chance to tell you who I wanted so you must have imagined me ignoring that question.
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Post by pretzel on Apr 25, 2017 14:39:10 GMT
You know what? I'm not overly struck on him as a manager. His football is not as free-flowing and slick as you'd like to imagine. He's quite pragmatic in his approach and I honestly don't think he'd have us playing much differently. He'd be Mark Hughes with a fancier name. I don't see being pragmatic as being a bad thing (If I understand the word properly) However as other have said, it's unlikely that he'd jump ship at Newcastle. Any stories of unrest are more likely to be manipulation of the press to help him screw more money out of Ashley for next season's premiership campaign. What happens if Ashley calls his bluff and doesn't make the funding available is anyone's guess though and may leave the door open for a club like Stoke to prise him away.
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Post by alster on Apr 25, 2017 14:40:58 GMT
You know what? I'm not overly struck on him as a manager. His football is not as free-flowing and slick as you'd like to imagine. He's quite pragmatic in his approach and I honestly don't think he'd have us playing much differently. He'd be Mark Hughes with a fancier name. He's well more pragmatic than Hughes. There's nothing unusual about Rafa going into a game for a draw. He's not for me.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 25, 2017 14:48:39 GMT
I would have Rafa here in a Heartbeat, would have us in and around the top 8,playing good nogger, and could well win us a cup. Cant see it happening though, if he did leave Newcastle, there would be bigger clubs than us after him. The very fact that he's such a good cup manager would swing it for me, as I think that's our most realistic next objective. I really aren't that fussed if we finish 8th or 14th
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Post by coupe on Apr 25, 2017 14:52:26 GMT
Well I have asked you on previous threads what manager you would prefer but have been ignored and did not want name you without having no response off you previously as that would be childish, you come out with stats of 16 months but 3 9th place finishes should not be ignored either as no other manager as ever achieved this feat and I find it hard to agree with someone who fails to find anything positive to say about our club,so do please enlighten me on who you would like to replace Hughes. Me Lucien Favre I've been banging his drum for months, I wouldn't have missed a chance to tell you who I wanted so you must have imagined me ignoring that question. [/q1uote] Well he would be a big gamble for Coates no experience of English football and as Coates tends to favour odds of trusted British managers with a proven track record he is hardly going to bring in a outsider .
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Post by alster on Apr 25, 2017 14:58:14 GMT
Me Lucien Favre I've been banging his drum for months, I wouldn't have missed a chance to tell you who I wanted so you must have imagined me ignoring that question. [/q1uote] Well he would be a big gamble for Coates no experience of English football and as Coates tends to favour odds of trusted British managers with a proven track record he is hardly going to bring in a outsider . Exactly as I posted you're given a name and decide you're Peter Coates rule it out then pretend you've never been given it. Favre is successful in leagues in 3 European countries. He's not Remi Garde his methods coaching and tactics are adaptable. Only question in my mind is is he attainable but if you don't try you never know.
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Post by alster on Apr 25, 2017 15:00:32 GMT
I would have Rafa here in a Heartbeat, would have us in and around the top 8,playing good nogger, and could well win us a cup. Cant see it happening though, if he did leave Newcastle, there would be bigger clubs than us after him. The very fact that he's such a good cup manager would swing it for me, as I think that's our most realistic next objective. I really aren't that fussed if we finish 8th or 14th I'd rather enjoy the 19 home games in the Prem than pin my hopes on a cup. Rafa's not the best for entertaining football.
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Post by Glory Hunter on Apr 25, 2017 15:07:18 GMT
A really committed and motivated Rafa might work. I just don't feel he has his here in it as we would new him to. So for me, stick with Hughes, give him a chance over the Summer and let's start strong next season for a change!
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 25, 2017 15:13:56 GMT
A really committed and motivated Rafa might work. I just don't feel he has his here in it as we would new him to. So for me, stick with Hughes, give him a chance over the Summer and let's start strong next season for a change! He has had his chance and his time is up for me... He has done absolutely nothing now, and the football has been atrocious for 18 months, what makes you believe that he is suddenly going to change over a couple of months and what has he done with his "backing" so far to make you think that he will improve us given any more backing?
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Apr 25, 2017 15:14:36 GMT
I know it's unlikely but, I would be over the moon getting him in. What are Rafa's signings like?...and have they been successful on the whole? What's his managing like?....how would he cope managing players like Arnie? Imbula? My overriding memory of him is bringing a Liverpool side that was gunning for the title and playing full backs on the wing to counter us. I'm not a fan. Was that also the game which he omitted Torres (and Gerrard?) from the starting line up? I think like Hughes,he over-thinks things which leads him to make some bizarre selections.
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