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Post by followyoudown on May 19, 2017 14:42:31 GMT
There's something deeply dishonest and opportunist about Labour calling it a dementia tax, once dementia has fully taken hold that person needs pretty much 24 hour care so in most cases the ill person will go into a care home and have to sell their home anyway. My missus gran had dementia and the only reason her family did not have to put her into a home was the number of kids they had (6) with grandkids and their partners meant that there was enough people to care and this was not to protect the house as it was one of her children's house anyway. This is not going to be the normal situation for most people so for all Labour's invective they will maintain the status quo and leave people with £23k rather than £100k in the proposal. So the house had already been left to somebody to avoid being sold! There was someone on Radio Stoke yesterday who said he had done the same. So, it is deeply opportunistic of Tories to use inheritance tax/house planning whilst expecting others to pay taxes for their relatives upkeep! Hypocritical scum! You really are quite appallingly ignorant and vile. Putting a ! does not disguise this calling a fellow human being you've never met scum. Do you actually understand that almost all local councils charge for care services provided at home and no the house had not been left, not everyone can afford to buy a house to begin with you smug wanker. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 19, 2017 15:53:26 GMT
There's something deeply dishonest and opportunist about Labour calling it a dementia tax, once dementia has fully taken hold that person needs pretty much 24 hour care so in most cases the ill person will go into a care home and have to sell their home anyway. My missus gran had dementia and the only reason her family did not have to put her into a home was the number of kids they had (6) with grandkids and their partners meant that there was enough people to care and this was not to protect the house as it was one of her children's house anyway. This is not going to be the normal situation for most people so for all Labour's invective they will maintain the status quo and leave people with £23k rather than £100k in the proposal. So the house had already been left to somebody to avoid being sold! There was someone on Radio Stoke yesterday who said he had done the same. So, it is deeply opportunistic of Tories to use inheritance tax/house planning whilst expecting others to pay taxes for their relatives upkeep! Hypocritical scum! Come on now Nicholas. That's too harsh. FYD was just adding some personal experience to the debate. Nowt to do with politics. Inheritance tax/house planning arrangements are available to all voters. Apology perhaps? |
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on May 19, 2017 16:09:01 GMT
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Tories' plans to heavily regulate the internet, tucked away at the back of the manifesto. www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.htmlAs usual it's proposed to hinder terrorists, paedophiles and perverts; any objections and you're probably one of the above with something to hide. What it actually does is hinders free speech, anti-government whistle-blowing and access to free news and media (with a little nod and a wink to the billionaire media and news barons that have seen a dent in their profits and influence on society). It's a bloody scary prospect. |
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Post by capto on May 19, 2017 16:14:48 GMT
So the house had already been left to somebody to avoid being sold! There was someone on Radio Stoke yesterday who said he had done the same. So, it is deeply opportunistic of Tories to use inheritance tax/house planning whilst expecting others to pay taxes for their relatives upkeep! Hypocritical scum! Come on now Nicholas. That's too harsh. FYD was just adding some personal experience to the debate. Nowt to do with politics. Inheritance tax/house planning arrangements are available to all voters. Apology perhaps? It was too harsh - but it is a fact - i know of three instances where the parent's property / assets have been transferred to the child/ren & so, after seven years, it can't be touched by social services - some may call it being financially astute but some may call it something else? |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 19, 2017 16:24:45 GMT
Come on now Nicholas. That's too harsh. FYD was just adding some personal experience to the debate. Nowt to do with politics. Inheritance tax/house planning arrangements are available to all voters. Apology perhaps? It was too harsh - but it is a fact - i know of three instances where the parent's property / assets have been transferred to the child/ren & so, after seven years, it can't be touched by social services - some may call it being financially astute but some may call it something else? So what are you saying? Only Tories do this? Labour voters can't fill in the same form? |
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Post by essexstokey on May 19, 2017 16:36:40 GMT
It was too harsh - but it is a fact - i know of three instances where the parent's property / assets have been transferred to the child/ren & so, after seven years, it can't be touched by social services - some may call it being financially astute but some may call it something else? So what are saying? Only Tories do this? Labour voters can't fill in the same form? As long as the kids aren't like this one Lottery millionaire's son spent £1.6m – then sued his father for more cash link |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 19, 2017 16:45:25 GMT
So the house had already been left to somebody to avoid being sold! There was someone on Radio Stoke yesterday who said he had done the same. So, it is deeply opportunistic of Tories to use inheritance tax/house planning whilst expecting others to pay taxes for their relatives upkeep! Hypocritical scum! You really are quite appallingly ignorant and vile. Putting a ! does not disguise this calling a fellow human being you've never met scum. Do you actually understand that almost all local councils charge for care services provided at home and no the house had not been left, not everyone can afford to buy a house to begin with you smug wanker. Who would want to meet a Tory like you?! Are you serious? Your views are approaching fascistic and as such you are beyond the pale! But it remains a fact some people, often Tories, use inheritance laws to avoid paying taxes and care costs. But, it is O.K. for others to foot the bill not only for their relatives but for much better off people too! Toryism in all its glory! |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 19, 2017 17:06:40 GMT
You really are quite appallingly ignorant and vile. Putting a ! does not disguise this calling a fellow human being you've never met scum. Do you actually understand that almost all local councils charge for care services provided at home and no the house had not been left, not everyone can afford to buy a house to begin with you smug wanker. Who would want to meet a Tory like you?! Are you serious? Your views are approaching fascistic and as such you are beyond the pale! But it remains a fact some people, often Tories, use inheritance laws to avoid paying taxes and care costs. But, it is O.K. for others to foot the bill not only for their relatives but for much better off people too! Toryism in all its glory! Righto. Not quite the apology I was hoping for if truth be known Nicholas. |
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Post by essexstokey on May 19, 2017 18:01:43 GMT
Former chancellor George Osborne has criticised the Conservative Party’s pledge on immigration.
The former Tory MP and current editor of the Evening Standard wrote in an editorial in today’s paper: “The Conservatives haven’t a clue how they will achieve the commitment to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands.”
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Post by salopstick on May 19, 2017 18:04:13 GMT
You really are quite appallingly ignorant and vile. Putting a ! does not disguise this calling a fellow human being you've never met scum. Do you actually understand that almost all local councils charge for care services provided at home and no the house had not been left, not everyone can afford to buy a house to begin with you smug wanker. Who would want to meet a Tory like you?! Are you serious? Your views are approaching fascistic and as such you are beyond the pale! But it remains a fact some people, often Tories, use inheritance laws to avoid paying taxes and care costs. But, it is O.K. for others to foot the bill not only for their relatives but for much better off people too! Toryism in all its glory! Labour voters do it too |
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Post by essexstokey on May 19, 2017 18:05:18 GMT
Rachel, Stoke: "I believe that they should be re-nationalised following the end of the franchise deal with private railway companies. This would allow the government to control the rising prices of rail tickets and may make the railway service more reliable. It would also allow the government to reap in the profit currently being made by private companies, such as Virgin."
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Post by followyoudown on May 19, 2017 18:25:21 GMT
You really are quite appallingly ignorant and vile. Putting a ! does not disguise this calling a fellow human being you've never met scum. Do you actually understand that almost all local councils charge for care services provided at home and no the house had not been left, not everyone can afford to buy a house to begin with you smug wanker. Who would want to meet a Tory like you?! Are you serious? Your views are approaching fascistic and as such you are beyond the pale! But it remains a fact some people, often Tories, use inheritance laws to avoid paying taxes and care costs. But, it is O.K. for others to foot the bill not only for their relatives but for much better off people too! Toryism in all its glory! Honestly like I care about you view of me, although ironic you call me facisistic when you are so tolerant of anyone else's view. I took exception to you putting Tory scum at the end of a post that included comments about members of my family but you've now confirmed its general ignorance and vileness rather than specific ignorance and vileness. Stay classy Nicholas. |
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Post by partickpotter on May 19, 2017 18:28:44 GMT
Rachel (8), Stoke: "I believe that they should be re-nationalised following the end of the franchise deal with private railway companies. This would allow the government to control the rising prices of rail tickets and may make the railway service more reliable. It would also allow the government to reap in the profit currently being made by private companies, such as Virgin." Bless! |
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Post by Northy on May 19, 2017 18:50:51 GMT
Rachel, Stoke: "I believe that they should be re-nationalised following the end of the franchise deal with private railway companies. This would allow the government to control the rising prices of rail tickets and may make the railway service more reliable. It would also allow the government to reap in the profit currently being made by private companies, such as Virgin." I take it she wasnt alive when British rail were running the railways |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 19, 2017 18:53:02 GMT
Who would want to meet a Tory like you?! Are you serious? Your views are approaching fascistic and as such you are beyond the pale! But it remains a fact some people, often Tories, use inheritance laws to avoid paying taxes and care costs. But, it is O.K. for others to foot the bill not only for their relatives but for much better off people too! Toryism in all its glory! Honestly like I care about you view of me, although ironic you call me facisistic when you are so tolerant of anyone else's view. I took exception to you putting Tory scum at the end of a post that included comments about members of my family but you've now confirmed its general ignorance and vileness rather than specific ignorance and vileness. Stay classy Nicholas. For someone who's attacked the disabled! Defended the bent Cameron family! Defended the buying of the last general election! And so much more! Stay corrupt 'followyoudown'. |
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Post by salopstick on May 19, 2017 19:16:23 GMT
So the house had already been left to somebody to avoid being sold! There was someone on Radio Stoke yesterday who said he had done the same. So, it is deeply opportunistic of Tories to use inheritance tax/house planning whilst expecting others to pay taxes for their relatives upkeep! Hypocritical scum! You really are quite appallingly ignorant and vile. Putting a ! does not disguise this calling a fellow human being you've never met scum. Do you actually understand that almost all local councils charge for care services provided at home and no the house had not been left, not everyone can afford to buy a house to begin with you smug wanker. Last night we were being called bastards just for having the audacity to vote how we wanted. and they wonder why Corbyn and his activists are getting ignored by the majority of this country. They are reaping what they sow |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 19, 2017 19:59:08 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 19, 2017 20:01:30 GMT
Rachel, Stoke: "I believe that they should be re-nationalised following the end of the franchise deal with private railway companies. This would allow the government to control the rising prices of rail tickets and may make the railway service more reliable. It would also allow the government to reap in the profit currently being made by private companies, such as Virgin." I take it she wasnt alive when British rail were running the railways So you're quite happy for massive subsidies paid by you the British taxpayer to help the German, Dutch and French Governments who now own our transport systems to cream of huge profits? SERIOUSLY??? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 19, 2017 20:07:04 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on May 19, 2017 20:11:56 GMT
You really are quite appallingly ignorant and vile. Putting a ! does not disguise this calling a fellow human being you've never met scum. Do you actually understand that almost all local councils charge for care services provided at home and no the house had not been left, not everyone can afford to buy a house to begin with you smug wanker. Last night we were being called bastards just for having the audacity to vote how we wanted. and they wonder why Corbyn and his activists are getting ignored by the majority of this country. They are reaping what they sow From an article in the spectator I just read prepare yourself for a proper meltdown insider on the LOLabour campaign says their private polling is predicting they'll end up with 140 seats, denied now but might explain Len's 200 seats comment. |
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Post by followyoudown on May 19, 2017 20:15:49 GMT
Honestly like I care about you view of me, although ironic you call me facisistic when you are so tolerant of anyone else's view. I took exception to you putting Tory scum at the end of a post that included comments about members of my family but you've now confirmed its general ignorance and vileness rather than specific ignorance and vileness. Stay classy Nicholas. For someone who's attacked the disabled! Defended the bent Cameron family! Defended the buying of the last general election! And so much more! Stay corrupt 'followyoudown'. Piss and wind as usual put up this attack on the disabled. The rest is just having a different opinion to you hence the abuse and name calling. Stay Classy Nicholas. |
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Post by followyoudown on May 19, 2017 20:18:57 GMT
Have you got any other news from September 2016 zzzzzzzzzz |
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Post by adri2008 on May 19, 2017 20:30:24 GMT
No doubt covered many times already in this thread but whilst we have the dream team of Corbyn, Abbot, McDonnell and Thornberry ready to take the reigns of the country, the Tories can do and promise anything they like - they will get elected and with a hefty majority too.
The nightmare scenario for the Labour Party (and dream scenario for the Tories) is them somehow reaching a higher vote share than Miliband resulting in Corbyn and chums feeling hes the way forward and another 5 years of dire opposition.
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Post by Northy on May 19, 2017 20:50:33 GMT
I take it she wasnt alive when British rail were running the railways So you're quite happy for massive subsidies paid by you the British taxpayer to help the German, Dutch and French Governments who now own our transport systems to cream of huge profits? SERIOUSLY??? no im not but its the lesser if two evils |
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Post by essexstokey on May 19, 2017 20:50:56 GMT
You cant trust a tory!! Trying to buy the election again!!
the conservatives putting the con in politics! |
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Post by salopstick on May 19, 2017 21:03:17 GMT
Have you got any other news from September 2016 zzzzzzzzzz Votes win prizes Memes win nothing |
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Post by felonious on May 19, 2017 21:08:24 GMT
Rachel, Stoke: "I believe that they should be re-nationalised following the end of the franchise deal with private railway companies. This would allow the government to control the rising prices of rail tickets and may make the railway service more reliable. It would also allow the government to reap in the profit currently being made by private companies, such as Virgin." I take it she wasnt alive when British rail were running the railways I thought the unions were running the railways. |
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Post by essexstokey on May 19, 2017 21:08:48 GMT
Osborn speaks out against Immigration saying conservatives haven't a clue
Head of Scotland conservatives speak out against fuel payments
Boris speaks out against Heathrow pledge
3 senior Tories speak out against there own manifesto that is short on ideas and costing's
Chicken may the so called strong leadership that her own party speak out against!! And people still see her as a leader what a joke!!
You cant trust a tory!!
the conservatives putting the con in politics!
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Post by Northy on May 19, 2017 21:22:23 GMT
Osborn speaks out against Immigration saying conservatives haven't a clue Head of Scotland conservatives speak out against fuel payments Boris speaks out against Heathrow pledge 3 senior Tories speak out against there own manifesto that is short on ideas and costing's Chicken may the so called strong leadership that her own party speak out against!! And people still see her as a leader what a joke!!
You cant trust a tory!!
the conservatives putting the con in politics!christ you are like a stuck record, people were taking the piss out of May constantly saying 'strong and stable' |
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Post by followyoudown on May 19, 2017 21:28:43 GMT
Osborn speaks out against Immigration saying conservatives haven't a clue Head of Scotland conservatives speak out against fuel payments Boris speaks out against Heathrow pledge 3 senior Tories speak out against there own manifesto that is short on ideas and costing's Chicken may the so called strong leadership that her own party speak out against!! And people still see her as a leader what a joke!!
You cant trust a tory!!
the conservatives putting the con in politics!Osbourne is as predicted trying to use the standard to campaign against brexit. Meanwhile out of 229 Labour mps 228 are desperately trying to avoid mention of "him" and if they have to mention him, telling voters don't worry there is no chance he'll be PM. I think the leadership argument is a loser for you. |
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