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Post by salopstick on May 18, 2017 22:29:15 GMT
Great point on QT about Corbyn
A great man at preaching to the converted but not to the rest
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Post by manmarking on May 18, 2017 22:34:50 GMT
Question Time on now. Priti Patel  A long time guilty pleasure of mine. Nice. Why a guilty pleasure mate? Skin colour or summat else?  |
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Post by manmarking on May 18, 2017 22:39:18 GMT
Great point on QT about Corbyn A great man at preaching to the converted but not to the rest Considering you're not remotely worried about Jezza winning the election, you don't half devote a lot of your time to attacking him, sloppy. Why the visceral hatred of him? Why not just kick back and enjoy the victory parade? Life's too short, mate |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 18, 2017 23:21:00 GMT
Question Time on now. Priti Patel A long time guilty pleasure of mine. Nice. Why a guilty pleasure mate? Skin colour or summat else? Ha. No mate, unlike you I'm happily married. EDIT: One of those guilty pleasures. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 5:09:12 GMT
The conservative manifesto is a joke
Take away Brexit rom them and they'd have fuck all
Labour would still be in the shit mind
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Post by mtrstudent on May 19, 2017 5:19:26 GMT
The B.B.C.'s analysis of the Tory elderly care proposals: "But in the end it can be summed up pretty easily - they want people to pay more towards the cost of their care. Some elements of their plans sound generous and certainly some people will benefit, but large numbers won't. Why? Because we are a nation of homeowners and these plans make sure that whatever sort of care you need, the value of your home can be taken into account." The Tories plan to tax you after you die! Well, that's novel? I wonder who will be flying to the Caribbean to ensure David Cameron pays what he owes when he dies? Looks like no-one loses their home and the generation that didn't pay enough for their own older care will be made to pay a bit more now. Seems like a fair start. |
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Post by mtrstudent on May 19, 2017 5:37:20 GMT
The conservative manifesto is a joke Take away Brexit rom them and they'd have fuck all Labour would still be in the shit mind I haven't had the energy to go through it properly (88 pages and 86 of that will be bullshit and slogans), but the bits I've heard about sound alright, maybe a bit meh, apart from the immigration and hard Brexit posturing. The cost for looking after pensioners is soaring and it's going to become insane. Pensions alone are gonna cost another £500/year per working age Brit within a couple of parliaments, never mind the fact we're saddled with student debt, crazy high house prices etc. And there's more taxes for NHS and social care on top of that. Killing the triple lock and making pensioners with more than £100k pay up for care is a fair start. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 5:47:13 GMT
The conservative manifesto is a joke Take away Brexit rom them and they'd have fuck all Labour would still be in the shit mind I haven't had the energy to go through it properly (88 pages and 86 of that will be bullshit and slogans), but the bits I've heard about sound alright, maybe a bit meh, apart from the immigration and hard Brexit posturing. The cost for looking after pensioners is soaring and it's going to become insane. Pensions alone are gonna cost another £500/year per working age Brit within a couple of parliaments, never mind the fact we're saddled with student debt, crazy high house prices etc. And there's more taxes for NHS and social care on top of that. Killing the triple lock and making pensioners with more than £100k pay up for care is a fair start. I'm unsure on this....What does making pensioners with more than 100k actually mean? Does this mean my children will not inherit my house? Does it mean I've bought a house for fuck all? |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 5:48:04 GMT
I haven't had the energy to go through it properly (88 pages and 86 of that will be bullshit and slogans), but the bits I've heard about sound alright, maybe a bit meh, apart from the immigration and hard Brexit posturing. The cost for looking after pensioners is soaring and it's going to become insane. Pensions alone are gonna cost another £500/year per working age Brit within a couple of parliaments, never mind the fact we're saddled with student debt, crazy high house prices etc. And there's more taxes for NHS and social care on top of that. Killing the triple lock and making pensioners with more than £100k pay up for care is a fair start. I'm unsure on this....What does making pensioners with more than 100k actually mean? Does this mean my children will not inherit my house? Does it mean I've bought a house for fuck all? Like you say I've not seen the detail yet either |
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Post by salopstick on May 19, 2017 6:02:26 GMT
I haven't had the energy to go through it properly (88 pages and 86 of that will be bullshit and slogans), but the bits I've heard about sound alright, maybe a bit meh, apart from the immigration and hard Brexit posturing. The cost for looking after pensioners is soaring and it's going to become insane. Pensions alone are gonna cost another £500/year per working age Brit within a couple of parliaments, never mind the fact we're saddled with student debt, crazy high house prices etc. And there's more taxes for NHS and social care on top of that. Killing the triple lock and making pensioners with more than £100k pay up for care is a fair start. I'm unsure on this....What does making pensioners with more than 100k actually mean? Does this mean my children will not inherit my house? Does it mean I've bought a house for fuck all? Fraise at the moment if you need to go into a care home you can be made to sell your home to fund it. You are allowed to keep £27k Under Tory proposals they would put a charge on your house and you wouldn't pay until you die. Regardless of cost your family keep £100k So it's paying for care after you die with your house but your family still get 100k. Another inheritance tax as such. I do t know why the socialists are so angry and abusive about it |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 6:05:41 GMT
I'm unsure on this....What does making pensioners with more than 100k actually mean? Does this mean my children will not inherit my house? Does it mean I've bought a house for fuck all? Fraise at the moment if you need to go into a care home you can be made to sell your home to fund it. You are allowed to keep £27k Under Tory proposals they would put a charge on your house and you wouldn't pay until you die. Regardless of cost your family keep £100k So it's paying for care after you die with your house but your family still get 100k. Another inheritance tax as such. I do t know why the socialists are so angry and abusive about it Still, makes you wonder why we bother. The cunts find new ways of taking everything from you |
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Post by Northy on May 19, 2017 6:38:28 GMT
There is a stark simple choice come June 8th If you have any compassion, social responsibility or indeed a heart, vote Labour If you're a heartless, cruel, selfish, self-centred bastard, vote Tory. did the ira (corbyns friends) have any of that when bombing innocent people in Northern Ireland and here, 2 boys in warrington who just went into mcdonalds? i would never vote for that piece of shit corbyn, a shame labour cannot get a decent leader, a vote for him is a vote for what he is and his 'friends' |
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Post by Northy on May 19, 2017 6:40:57 GMT
Bless did you get that from the Canary just like all you information on election fraud. Politics of envy there I see, people are heartless bastards because of the money they earn in you world, I always thought people getting off on rioting and people getting killed was heartless myself but that's just me. Not the politics of envy you weapon, exact opposite. I have better things to do with my time than respond to you and the other idiot. Every response of yours and his is right out of the Daily Mail hymnbook. how is it it is the left voters who always resort to name calling and rioting, when supposedly its the right who are cruel and heartless ? |
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Post by felonious on May 19, 2017 6:47:16 GMT
Here's another one of those look how depressed Hanley is reports from the BBC. I was in Hanley on Wednesday and didn't notice empty shops, beggars, the homeless and saw plenty of shoppers.
Voters' views: Will Brexit fire up Stoke's dwindling electorate?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-39940232
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Post by Northy on May 19, 2017 6:48:55 GMT
that 6.5bn on cracking down on tax avoidance is a certainty is it ? |
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Post by Northy on May 19, 2017 6:53:37 GMT
I haven't had the energy to go through it properly (88 pages and 86 of that will be bullshit and slogans), but the bits I've heard about sound alright, maybe a bit meh, apart from the immigration and hard Brexit posturing. The cost for looking after pensioners is soaring and it's going to become insane. Pensions alone are gonna cost another £500/year per working age Brit within a couple of parliaments, never mind the fact we're saddled with student debt, crazy high house prices etc. And there's more taxes for NHS and social care on top of that. Killing the triple lock and making pensioners with more than £100k pay up for care is a fair start. I'm unsure on this....What does making pensioners with more than 100k actually mean? Does this mean my children will not inherit my house? Does it mean I've bought a house for fuck all? yes but only if you go into care, you will have to get your children to look after you if they want a share of the house. best thing to do is go into rented, squander all your money having a good time and let the state pay it. sod being socially responsible it doesnt pay  |
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Post by bathstoke on May 19, 2017 6:59:12 GMT
Great point on QT about Corbyn A great man at preaching to the converted but not to the rest Who said that, the cliche monster. Did he also say, You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead!?! Must try harder  |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 7:09:38 GMT
I'm unsure on this....What does making pensioners with more than 100k actually mean? Does this mean my children will not inherit my house? Does it mean I've bought a house for fuck all? yes but only if you go into care, you will have to get your children to look after you if they want a share of the house. best thing to do is go into rented, squander all your money having a good time and let the state pay it. sod being socially responsible it doesnt pay There's no fucking way lilfraise is looking after me I still clean his fucking car for him "Squander all my money? What.....you mean spend what I've earned rather than give it to the government? if the government stopped giving our taxes away ie 'foreign aid' bullshit and lies it might help. And all the other dodgy deals that cost the tax payers Needs a revolution in this country .... labour and the tories are not the answer |
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Post by Moosehead on May 19, 2017 7:11:05 GMT
Here's another one of those look how depressed Hanley is reports from the BBC. I was in Hanley on Wednesday and didn't notice empty shops, beggars, the homeless and saw plenty of shoppers.
Voters' views: Will Brexit fire up Stoke's dwindling electorate?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-39940232
It depends where/when you go, I suppose. I worked in Hanley for about 5 months last summer. There are definite green shoots here and there - independent shops, bars, coffee shops shooting up (Kiln, Bottle Craft, TSP), and the new cinema/food complex certainly seems to have bought people in. But you go to the other end of town it is a dank mess. I saw a handful of people sleeping rough every morning. Pissheads would fighting at 11am, and there are plenty of boarded up shops too. |
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Post by felonious on May 19, 2017 7:25:33 GMT
Here's another one of those look how depressed Hanley is reports from the BBC. I was in Hanley on Wednesday and didn't notice empty shops, beggars, the homeless and saw plenty of shoppers.
Voters' views: Will Brexit fire up Stoke's dwindling electorate?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-39940232
It depends where/when you go, I suppose. I worked in Hanley for about 5 months last summer. There are definite green shoots here and there - independent shops, bars, coffee shops shooting up (Kiln, Bottle Craft, TSP), and the new cinema/food complex certainly seems to have bought people in. But you go to the other end of town it is a dank mess. I saw a handful of people sleeping rough every morning. Pissheads would fighting at 11am, and there are plenty of boarded up shops too. I appreciate what you're saying but the point I was making is they are focusing on the negative. |
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Post by followyoudown on May 19, 2017 7:27:54 GMT
that 6.5bn on cracking down on tax avoidance is a certainty is it ? Probably more chance than the figure lifted from private eye article or the one from a 2011 Fabian society report. |
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Post by Northy on May 19, 2017 7:29:16 GMT
yes but only if you go into care, you will have to get your children to look after you if they want a share of the house. best thing to do is go into rented, squander all your money having a good time and let the state pay it. sod being socially responsible it doesnt pay There's no fucking way lilfraise is looking after me I still clean his fucking car for him "Squander all my money? What.....you mean spend what I've earned rather than give it to the government? if the government stopped giving our taxes away ie 'foreign aid' bullshit and lies it might help. And all the other dodgy deals that cost the tax payers Needs a revolution in this country .... labour and the tories are not the answer well you wiped his arse clean ...... give us all 100 acres each to live 'the good life' |
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Post by Northy on May 19, 2017 7:31:08 GMT
Here's another one of those look how depressed Hanley is reports from the BBC. I was in Hanley on Wednesday and didn't notice empty shops, beggars, the homeless and saw plenty of shoppers.
Voters' views: Will Brexit fire up Stoke's dwindling electorate?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-39940232
fighting at 11am, that's just this lot on here after logging onto the oatcake |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 7:34:26 GMT
There's no fucking way lilfraise is looking after me I still clean his fucking car for him "Squander all my money? What.....you mean spend what I've earned rather than give it to the government? if the government stopped giving our taxes away ie 'foreign aid' bullshit and lies it might help. And all the other dodgy deals that cost the tax payers Needs a revolution in this country .... labour and the tories are not the answer well you wiped his arse clean ...... give us all 100 acres each to live 'the good life' Just a 1/4 acre will be plenty, I'm not as greedy as Richard Branson |
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Post by salopstick on May 19, 2017 7:49:18 GMT
Great point on QT about Corbyn A great man at preaching to the converted but not to the rest Who said that, the cliche monster. Did he also say, You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead!?! Must try harder I don't know who the cliche monster is however the point is tight. I don't like Corbyn or some of his ideals but he speaks well, he is passionate but all his speechs sound the same and are not aimed to persuade me they are aimed at his following The problem is there are not enough of his followers for him to win the election. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 8:21:52 GMT
Who said that, the cliche monster. Did he also say, You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead!?! Must try harder I don't know who the cliche monster is however the point is tight. I don't like Corbyn or some of his ideals but he speaks well, he is passionate but all his speechs sound the same and are not aimed to persuade me they are aimed at his following The problem is there are not enough of his followers for him to win the election. Seeing as my wife's in teaching voting labour should be a sensible direction for us Alas his ideas just don't come across as sustainable short / medium term, let alone long term. Can understand students being sucked in by it all. They haven't lived through the aftermath of the stuff he's coming out with |
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Post by ohbottom on May 19, 2017 9:08:11 GMT
I'm unsure on this....What does making pensioners with more than 100k actually mean? Does this mean my children will not inherit my house? Does it mean I've bought a house for fuck all? Fraise at the moment if you need to go into a care home you can be made to sell your home to fund it. You are allowed to keep £27k Under Tory proposals they would put a charge on your house and you wouldn't pay until you die. Regardless of cost your family keep £100k So it's paying for care after you die with your house but your family still get 100k. Another inheritance tax as such. I do t know why the socialists are so angry and abusive about it There's a big difference which the tories have been careful not to spell out, which is that for homeowners the value of your house will be taken into consideration for people being cared for in their own home. Currently it's only a factor for those who have to go into residential care. Around 75% of over 65s own their own home, so if this pledge is enacted a large number of pensioners who currently receive state funded care will now have to pay for it out of their estate. Three times as many are cared for at home than are in a care home so there are far more losers than winners. |
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Post by manmarking on May 19, 2017 9:43:14 GMT
Why a guilty pleasure mate? Skin colour or summat else? Ha. No mate, unlike you I'm happily married. You presume to know a great deal, señor |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 9:52:36 GMT
Fraise at the moment if you need to go into a care home you can be made to sell your home to fund it. You are allowed to keep £27k Under Tory proposals they would put a charge on your house and you wouldn't pay until you die. Regardless of cost your family keep £100k So it's paying for care after you die with your house but your family still get 100k. Another inheritance tax as such. I do t know why the socialists are so angry and abusive about it There's a big difference which the tories have been careful not to spell out, which is that for homeowners the value of your house will be taken into consideration for people being cared for in their own home. Currently it's only a factor for those who have to go into residential care. Around 75% of over 65s own their own home, so if this pledge is enacted a large number of pensioners who currently receive state funded care will now have to pay for it out of their estate. Three times as many are cared for at home than are in a care home so there are far more losers than winners. What about if I have my parent living with me and care is needed? Where does that leave them and me? |
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Post by harryburrows on May 19, 2017 10:03:55 GMT
yes but only if you go into care, you will have to get your children to look after you if they want a share of the house. best thing to do is go into rented, squander all your money having a good time and let the state pay it. sod being socially responsible it doesnt pay There's no fucking way lilfraise is looking after me I still clean his fucking car for him "Squander all my money? What.....you mean spend what I've earned rather than give it to the government? if the government stopped giving our taxes away ie 'foreign aid' bullshit and lies it might help. And all the other dodgy deals that cost the tax payers Needs a revolution in this country .... labour and the tories are not the answer You know he,s just going to leave you at keele services in your dressing gown when the time comes |
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A long time guilty pleasure of mine. Nice. 
