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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 11, 2017 10:46:14 GMT
Buying out all the Rail companies. You don't need to buy them out you just let the franchises run out only investment then is in New or second hand trains!! |
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Post by spitthedog on May 11, 2017 10:58:34 GMT
I don't consider any of Labour's policies left wing at all. Its just the way they are presented. When Miliband promised to cap energy prices he was written off as Red Ed, the Tories said at the the time this would take us back to the dark days of the 70s and Cameron described the policy as "loony Marxism" Now May is doing the same thing its described as an act of progressive competition and will save the average family £100! Same policy! Its just brainwashing. What is your interpretation of left wing then ? For a start I don't consider these policies radical. Anyone who has suffered at the hands of the injustices of privatisation of essential services (i.e.most people) should welcome these policies. We've all been fleeced by privatisation of railways, mail, gas and electricity. Services we invested in and then had to pay over the odds for on monthly basis while wages go down while a very few cream off the profits. Its only because the mates of the media moguls stand to lose out. This return to the 70s they talk about. Is that when my wages actually went up and not down? |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 11, 2017 12:04:36 GMT
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 11, 2017 12:07:15 GMT
Nick Ferrari is so right-wing he makes 'The Daily Mail' look like 'The Morning Star'! |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 12:33:14 GMT
What is your interpretation of left wing then ? For a start I don't consider these policies radical. Anyone who has suffered at the hands of the injustices of privatisation of essential services (i.e.most people) should welcome these policies. We've all been fleeced by privatisation of railways, mail, gas and electricity. Services we invested in and then had to pay over the odds for on monthly basis while wages go down while a very few cream off the profits. Its only because the mates of the media moguls stand to lose out. This return to the 70s they talk about. Is that when my wages actually went up and not down? That makes it clear . |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 11, 2017 12:47:12 GMT
Nick Ferrari is so right-wing he makes 'The Daily Mail' look like 'The Morning Star'! Live questions from listeners Nicholas. I'll keep an ear out for your good self  |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 11, 2017 13:33:01 GMT
Nick Ferrari is so right-wing he makes 'The Daily Mail' look like 'The Morning Star'! Live questions from listeners Nicholas. I'll keep an ear out for your good self As I'm sure Conservative head office has primed Tories to ring in, I've got the interview in full: Algernon Smythe-Sanders:"What do you think of the remaining 27 E.U. countries?" Chicken May:"Strong and Stable". Lady Helena Brocklebank:"What do you think of Macron?". Chicken May:"Strong and Stable". Jeremy Pocklesworth:"What do you think of your friend Trump and the Republicans you met in America?". Chicken May:"Strong and Stable". Louisa Dressington:"What do you think of Kim II Jong?" Chicken May:"Strong and Stable". Trevor Humpington:What will the new Heathrow runway be like?". Chicken May:"Strong and Stable". rogerjonesisnotgod:"What do you think of Mr Alcock's haemorrhoids?". Chicken May:"Loose and Wobbly". That concludes the interview. |
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Post by followyoudown on May 11, 2017 13:48:57 GMT
Hang on!! Word is that this was a deliberate leak from Labour HQ. Only a 'draft'...... so test the water first..... if it's popular then all good.... if not then tweak it for official release......  Makes the launch an 'exclusive' splash. A whole week before anything from the Conservatives. Seems it was a draft and not finished as they forgot the costing, quelle surprise  |
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Post by salopstick on May 11, 2017 14:14:37 GMT
Hang on!! Word is that this was a deliberate leak from Labour HQ. Only a 'draft'...... so test the water first..... if it's popular then all good.... if not then tweak it for official release...... Makes the launch an 'exclusive' splash. A whole week before anything from the Conservatives. Seems it was a draft and not finished as they forgot the costing, quelle surprise I could only read half that. What are they doing? Inventing money? |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 11, 2017 14:26:18 GMT
I could only read half that. What are they doing? Inventing money? Yeah it's tough going to be honest but near the end is the answer. It isn't costed, hence the 'leak'. A 'draft only' that was released into the public domain and they've 'had to' run with it because the genie's out of the bottle. Unfinished but never mind that "at least we're having the debate" or at least "Labour is leading the way with policies" are two swerve's I've heard today. |
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Post by followyoudown on May 11, 2017 14:32:53 GMT
I could only read half that. What are they doing? Inventing money? Yeah it's tough going to be honest but near the end is the answer. It isn't costed, hence the 'leak'. A 'draft only' that was released into the public domain and they've 'had to' run with it because the genie's out of the bottle. Unfinished but never mind that "at least we're having the debate" or at least "Labour is leading the way with policies" are two swerve's I've heard today. They can't cost it as it's make believe stuff, 19 billion in extra Corp tax already spent and some, opposition to Tory spending plans that eliminate the deficit, yet they still plan to eliminate the deficit too  |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 11, 2017 14:55:27 GMT
Yeah it's tough going to be honest but near the end is the answer. It isn't costed, hence the 'leak'. A 'draft only' that was released into the public domain and they've 'had to' run with it because the genie's out of the bottle. Unfinished but never mind that "at least we're having the debate" or at least "Labour is leading the way with policies" are two swerve's I've heard today. They can't cost it as it's make believe stuff, 19 billion in extra Corp tax already spent and some, opposition to Tory spending plans that eliminate the deficit, yet they still plan to eliminate the deficit too Deficit? But The Coalition said there would be no deficit in 2015! Surely, you aren't telling me the Tories economic plans and economic miracle were all wrong?  |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 11, 2017 14:56:10 GMT
Yeah it's tough going to be honest but near the end is the answer. It isn't costed, hence the 'leak'. A 'draft only' that was released into the public domain and they've 'had to' run with it because the genie's out of the bottle. Unfinished but never mind that "at least we're having the debate" or at least "Labour is leading the way with policies" are two swerve's I've heard today. They can't cost it as it's make believe stuff, 19 billion in extra Corp tax already spent and some, opposition to Tory spending plans that eliminate the deficit, yet they still plan to eliminate the deficit too Yes, the deficit is 20 Billion a year on it's own, 10 Billion per year tuition fees, 6 Billion a year for the NHS...... |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 11, 2017 15:08:38 GMT
They can't cost it as it's make believe stuff, 19 billion in extra Corp tax already spent and some, opposition to Tory spending plans that eliminate the deficit, yet they still plan to eliminate the deficit too Yes, the deficit is 20 Billion a year on it's own, 10 Billion per year tuition fees, 6 Billion a year for the NHS...... Roger The thing about tuition fees though is that a good proportion/ most of the money will not be paid back anyway so all that we are doing is kicking the issue into the long grass. Young people have been encouraged to go to university , or find themselves with little realistic alternative, and this suits ANY governmrnt as it helps the unemployment figures. For me, to inflict debt upon 21 year olds is immoral and an indictment of the older generation/ political decision makers. Simply 21 year olds should not have £40000 worth of debt, however it is dressed up, so I believe that the money should be found to reduce that debt ( rising at 3% above base) to a more realistic £1500 per year. Scotland has managed to make it free. At the very least the Government's argument when they mis-sold the concept, that graduates are more likely to be bettet paid ( at McDonald's?) could be reversed....those graduates of today are apparently ALREADY benefiting from FREE degrees, perhaps they should be charged/ taxed retrospectively. |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 11, 2017 15:15:41 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 11, 2017 15:35:23 GMT
Yes, the deficit is 20 Billion a year on it's own, 10 Billion per year tuition fees, 6 Billion a year for the NHS...... Roger The thing about tuition fees though is that a good proportion/ most of the money will not be paid back anyway so all that we are doing is kicking the issue into the long grass. Young people have been encouraged to go to university , or find themselves with little realistic alternative, and this suits ANY governmrnt hss it helps the unemployment figures. For me to inflict debt upon 21 year olds is immoral and an indictment of the older grnerstion/ political decision makers. Simply 21 year olds should not have £40000 worth of debt, however it is dressed up, so I believe that the money should be found to reduce that debt ( rising at 3% above base) to a more realistic £1500 per year. Scotland has managed to make it free. At the very least the Government's argument when they mis-sold the concept, that graduates are more likely to be bettet paid ( at McDonald's?) could be reversed....those graduates if today Are apparently benefiting from FREE degrees, perhaps they should be charged/ taxed retrospectively. Couldn't have put it better myself. Tuition fees have been one of the great con tricks of recent times - as soon as many jobs became 'only people with degree need apply', they hiked the price up. Often meaning if you even wanted to even think of getting into a lot of industries you had to pay the whack. Aiming to reduce or remove tuition fees is a decent start. |
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Post by followyoudown on May 11, 2017 15:49:11 GMT
Yes, the deficit is 20 Billion a year on it's own, 10 Billion per year tuition fees, 6 Billion a year for the NHS...... Roger The thing about tuition fees though is that a good proportion/ most of the money will not be paid back anyway so all that we are doing is kicking the issue into the long grass. Young people have been encouraged to go to university , or find themselves with little realistic alternative, and this suits ANY governmrnt as it helps the unemployment figures. For me, to inflict debt upon 21 year olds is immoral and an indictment of the older generation/ political decision makers. Simply 21 year olds should not have £40000 worth of debt, however it is dressed up, so I believe that the money should be found to reduce that debt ( rising at 3% above base) to a more realistic £1500 per year. Scotland has managed to make it free. At the very least the Government's argument when they mis-sold the concept, that graduates are more likely to be bettet paid ( at McDonald's?) could be reversed....those graduates of today are apparently ALREADY benefiting from FREE degrees, perhaps they should be charged/ taxed retrospectively. The problem is if you make it free or reduce fees is then you get thousands of kids doing earth and life studies or media studies which doesn't help them in the long run, perhaps instead you increase the thresholds payback make it start at 25k or 30k starts at and increase the percentage of payback on those earning over 50k or 60k so they pay 15% of earnings over that or something. |
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Post by manmarking on May 11, 2017 15:51:30 GMT
I could only read half that. What are they doing? Inventing money? Why don't you try learning to read better then, sloppy? Instead of having your opinions made for you on a football forum, like |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 11, 2017 16:07:26 GMT
Roger The thing about tuition fees though is that a good proportion/ most of the money will not be paid back anyway so all that we are doing is kicking the issue into the long grass. Young people have been encouraged to go to university , or find themselves with little realistic alternative, and this suits ANY governmrnt as it helps the unemployment figures. For me, to inflict debt upon 21 year olds is immoral and an indictment of the older generation/ political decision makers. Simply 21 year olds should not have £40000 worth of debt, however it is dressed up, so I believe that the money should be found to reduce that debt ( rising at 3% above base) to a more realistic £1500 per year. Scotland has managed to make it free. At the very least the Government's argument when they mis-sold the concept, that graduates are more likely to be better paid ( at McDonald's?) could be reversed....those graduates of today are apparently ALREADY benefiting from FREE degrees, perhaps they should be charged/ taxed retrospectively. The problem is if you make it free or reduce fees is then you get thousands of kids doing earth and life studies or media studies which doesn't help them in the long run, perhaps instead you increase the thresholds payback make it start at 25k or 30k starts at and increase the percentage of payback on those earning over 50k or 60k so they pay 15% of earnings over that or something. The trouble is that there ARE many young people already doing courses as you describe, knowing full well that they will never earn enough to pay anything back.Theu are ENCOURAGED to take on the debt, would not make any/ much difference to the take up if they were free in my opinion. Have a look at some of the courses already on offer and there is collusion going on to make sure some succeed because they represent £9000 per year....i am NOT blaming the students , they are victims of the system ...I could give many examples from personal experience, homeless / sofa hoping students doing courses because they give them accommodation for three years., students doing many subjects not intending to go into the area of study ( nothing necessarily wrong in that ) Some of our local universities offer Abuse studies or American studies etc. Perhaps nothing wrong in that . Ironically a further loophole.....a 55 year old retiree can effectively do a course for free and ironically a youngish( 42 ) millionaire who no longer " works" and does not draw a salary , can enrol and not pay a penny ( these are some of many examples I have come across). The whole thing has not been thought through and ( much like the EU (😉)) will fail eventually anyway. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 11, 2017 16:16:59 GMT
For me, to inflict debt upon 21 year olds is immoral and an indictment of the older generation/ political decision makers. Simply 21 year olds should not have £40000 worth of debt It's all about debt, Johnboy. Pretty much everyone over 30 is already up to their arse in debt, our overlords know they can't get any more out of us, so they turned to the younger generation to generate more debt. Now they're all fucked too so they've turned to letting in millions of new debt slaves, erm... I mean, highly skilled doctors & engineers. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 11, 2017 20:36:22 GMT
Yes, the deficit is 20 Billion a year on it's own, 10 Billion per year tuition fees, 6 Billion a year for the NHS...... Roger The thing about tuition fees though is that a good proportion/ most of the money will not be paid back anyway so all that we are doing is kicking the issue into the long grass. Young people have been encouraged to go to university , or find themselves with little realistic alternative, and this suits ANY governmrnt as it helps the unemployment figures. For me, to inflict debt upon 21 year olds is immoral and an indictment of the older generation/ political decision makers. Simply 21 year olds should not have £40000 worth of debt, however it is dressed up, so I believe that the money should be found to reduce that debt ( rising at 3% above base) to a more realistic £1500 per year. Scotland has managed to make it free. At the very least the Government's argument when they mis-sold the concept, that graduates are more likely to be bettet paid ( at McDonald's?) could be reversed....those graduates of today are apparently ALREADY benefiting from FREE degrees, perhaps they should be charged/ taxed retrospectively. My point about Corbyn and tuition fee's is that he has no way of funding this and all the other pledges. I also think funding for higher education needs rethinking. I went back to uni 10 years ago and there were so many youngsters just 'doing' a degree. It was nonsense. I know it was Major that started the idea but Blair's Education, Education, Education speech and this relentless pursuit of sending everyone and anyone to uni is a massive fuck up. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 11, 2017 20:49:45 GMT
Roger The thing about tuition fees though is that a good proportion/ most of the money will not be paid back anyway so all that we are doing is kicking the issue into the long grass. Young people have been encouraged to go to university , or find themselves with little realistic alternative, and this suits ANY governmrnt as it helps the unemployment figures. For me, to inflict debt upon 21 year olds is immoral and an indictment of the older generation/ political decision makers. Simply 21 year olds should not have £40000 worth of debt, however it is dressed up, so I believe that the money should be found to reduce that debt ( rising at 3% above base) to a more realistic £1500 per year. Scotland has managed to make it free. At the very least the Government's argument when they mis-sold the concept, that graduates are more likely to be bettet paid ( at McDonald's?) could be reversed....those graduates of today are apparently ALREADY benefiting from FREE degrees, perhaps they should be charged/ taxed retrospectively. My point about Corbyn and tuition fee's is that he has no way of funding this and all the other pledges. I also think funding for higher education needs rethinking. I went back to uni 10 years ago and there were so many youngsters just 'doing' a degree. It was nonsense. I know it was Major that started the idea but Blair's Education, Education, Education speech and this relentless pursuit of sending everyone and anyone to uni is a massive fuck up. I agree Rog about the costings and the paying for things that we cannot actually afford.. .Corbyn may as well go for broke and promise the earth because he will never be in a position to have to deliver. I could have supported some of the Labour policies on public ownership except I don't think the climate is right nor does the party have ANYONE of calibre ( except Gisele Stuart) as far as I am aware able to deliver. I could never support Corbyn as a leader, because he is not a leader.....I think he may agree with that when his memoirs come out. Obviously for me I could never vote for them this time round because of their irrelevant stance on Brexit. Specifically, isolating student loans from his other promises it is something I feel very strongly about, and I think that the money should be found for it...I think the time will come when the policy will have to change, whoever is in power. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 11, 2017 22:20:02 GMT
My point about Corbyn and tuition fee's is that he has no way of funding this and all the other pledges. I also think funding for higher education needs rethinking. I went back to uni 10 years ago and there were so many youngsters just 'doing' a degree. It was nonsense. I know it was Major that started the idea but Blair's Education, Education, Education speech and this relentless pursuit of sending everyone and anyone to uni is a massive fuck up. I agree Rog about the costings and the paying for things that we cannot actually afford.. .Corbyn may as well go for broke and promise the earth because he will never be in a position to have to deliver. I could have supported some of the Labour policies on public ownership except I don't think the climate is right nor does the party have ANYONE of calibre ( except Gisele Stuart) as far as I am aware able to deliver. I could never support Corbyn as a leader, because he is not a leader.....I think he may agree with that when his memoirs come out. Obviously for me I could never vote for them this time round because of their irrelevant stance on Brexit. Specifically, isolating student loans from his other promises it is something I feel very strongly about, and I think that the money should be found for it...I think the time will come when the policy will have to change, whoever is in power. A return to complete public ownership is a step too far for me but I'm happy with more Government intervention to guard against high profits and low service. I think the idea of more people going to uni will give more people 'good' jobs was blindly naive. Cutting grants lowered entry standards because uni's needed bums on seats. Churning out loads of youngsters with a degree in their back pockets didn't change the make up of the job's available. It just created a filter down system that meant a job requiring O levels before now choose from degree holders. When I finished in 2011 there were graduate positions stating "2:1 or above need apply". I think Gisela Stuart is not standing this time around. I thought Frank Field came across well in the Philip Green committee meetings. None of the shadow cabinet are up to Leading the Labour Party never mind the country. Unfortunately the Labour party is full, or at least filling with Corbyn's harder Left followers and those with similar ideals are in one of the worst shadow cabinets ever. Most of the other MP's are ex- Blairites keeping their heads down to keep their jobs or just leaving all together. I don't think Corbyn will step down after he loses the general election. |
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Post by hammered on May 11, 2017 22:45:48 GMT
Corbyn wakes up in hallucinogenic time warp!!
FFS Jeremy – we’d all like the social utopia you breath but it ain’t real or happening.
There are much bigger global agendas to reason and Brexit (still) is the lead.
Fallon has completely missed where we are with immigration and breaking free from the krauts.
UKIP/Tory - Best of what's left..to do what needs to be done although none inspire!!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 11, 2017 23:50:02 GMT
Corbyn wakes up in hallucinogenic time warp!! FFS Jeremy – we’d all like the social utopia you breath but it ain’t real or happening. There are much bigger global agendas to reason and Brexit (still) is the lead. Fallon has completely missed where we are with immigration and breaking free from the krauts. UKIP/Tory - Best of what's left..to do what needs to be done although none inspire!! Yes, UKIP and the Tories have got a dose of the Slaven Bilic's |
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Post by josh on May 12, 2017 0:56:28 GMT
All these anti-corbyn posts are so disheartening.
The guy is standing up for 95% of the country and all you can do is abuse and poke fun at him. He will claw back money from the multinational tax dodging companies and the 5% who use their money to tweak the system to suit them, to make our country more equal.
If you do not believe this then you have been watching, listening or unconsciously absorbing sky, BBC, daily fail or s*n 'news' too much!
They carry out this hate towards Corbyn because it means they get to carry on making easy money. Easy money from YOU.
Remember them saying we're in this shit together and we're gonna pay the deficit down and then pay off the debt with what's left? (By 2015!!)
What they actually did was give their mates a 5% tax rate cut. Then make your kids, your sick relative, your elderly parents and everyone you know pay for the deficit. With cuts to schools, the NHS, social care and insurance tax rises, while also borrowing more than all previous Labour governments put together!!
They don't give two tosses about you. Not unless you have lots of money to line their pockets so they will line yours.
The tories have a conference every year, where if you have enough money you can come along and mingle. Donate money to have a day or afternoon with a party official and tell them exactly what you want. Its extreme lobbying for the rich and you're definitely not invited.
You say he is not a leader. But what takes more leadership?
Convincing your party to stop being tory-light, grow some balls and stand up for people to make the country more equal.
Or keep saying strong and stable over and over to anyone that even asks you the time? Keep unvetted journalists with even half awkward questions away, and god forbid having to actually speak to a peasent member of Joe public! All just incase, you accidently unvail your true incompetent one-line ugly inner Cruella de Vil
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 5:27:04 GMT
What is your interpretation of left wing then ? For a start I don't consider these policies radical. Anyone who has suffered at the hands of the injustices of privatisation of essential services (i.e.most people) should welcome these policies. We've all been fleeced by privatisation of railways, mail, gas and electricity. Services we invested in and then had to pay over the odds for on monthly basis while wages go down while a very few cream off the profits. Its only because the mates of the media moguls stand to lose out. This return to the 70s they talk about. Is that when my wages actually went up and not down? It was the days we sat in the dark,the cold, the days we drove around bin bags in the streets, the days we couldn't get to work Ecause public transport wasn't moving, the days we were queuing for bread etc etc etc all so your wages could keep going up |
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Post by felonious on May 12, 2017 6:35:30 GMT
For a start I don't consider these policies radical. Anyone who has suffered at the hands of the injustices of privatisation of essential services (i.e.most people) should welcome these policies. We've all been fleeced by privatisation of railways, mail, gas and electricity. Services we invested in and then had to pay over the odds for on monthly basis while wages go down while a very few cream off the profits. Its only because the mates of the media moguls stand to lose out. This return to the 70s they talk about. Is that when my wages actually went up and not down? It was the days we sat in the dark,the cold, the days we drove around bin bags in the streets, the days we couldn't get to work Ecause public transport wasn't moving, the days we were queuing for bread etc etc etc all so your wages could keep going up Had this very discussion in the office just the other day. Pitch black villages so we could keep our industries running for a few days a week. The good old days when we had strong unions and nationalised industries. |
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Post by manmarking on May 12, 2017 6:44:48 GMT
It was the days we sat in the dark,the cold, the days we drove around bin bags in the streets, the days we couldn't get to work Ecause public transport wasn't moving, the days we were queuing for bread etc etc etc all so your wages could keep going up Had this very discussion in the office just the other day. Pitch black villages so we could keep our industries running for a few days a week. The good old days when we had strong unions and nationalised industries. Funny how when bad things happen economically, it's only ever Labour's fault. It can never be other things going on in the world. Yet when the Tories fail to sort out the deficit, it's other things going on in the world, obvs |
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Post by harryburrows on May 12, 2017 6:47:27 GMT
For a start I don't consider these policies radical. Anyone who has suffered at the hands of the injustices of privatisation of essential services (i.e.most people) should welcome these policies. We've all been fleeced by privatisation of railways, mail, gas and electricity. Services we invested in and then had to pay over the odds for on monthly basis while wages go down while a very few cream off the profits. Its only because the mates of the media moguls stand to lose out. This return to the 70s they talk about. Is that when my wages actually went up and not down? It was the days we sat in the dark,the cold, the days we drove around bin bags in the streets, the days we couldn't get to work Ecause public transport wasn't moving, the days we were queuing for bread etc etc etc all so your wages could keep going up Don't forget when all the above mentioned nationalised industries were losing billions of £ s of taxpayers dosh . Crippled by strikes and lack of investments , and it took 6 months to get a phone installed |
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