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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 17, 2017 15:22:56 GMT
Can't tell me that that policy wasn't a con....loads would have believed and voted labour on it They said that they'd stop tuition fees, and then said they'd try and help people who had been to uni before. That last bit was never in their manifesto, it was just mentioned when asked in the TV debates. It's only a backtrack if they said they'd do it, and they didn't. No different then the brexit NHS slogan Anyway it's time to wind this thread down as anyone with a modicum of sense must realise that there is an election coming 2022
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 15:23:11 GMT
Can't tell me that that policy wasn't a con....loads would have believed and voted labour on it They said that they'd stop tuition fees, and then said they'd try and help people who had been to uni before. That last bit was never in their manifesto, it was just mentioned when asked in the TV debates. It's only a backtrack if they said they'd do it, and they didn't. You can defend them as much as you like. I'm in no doubt They'd worded it just nice to suck in the gullible and leave an escape rout
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 15:37:20 GMT
They said that they'd stop tuition fees, and then said they'd try and help people who had been to uni before. That last bit was never in their manifesto, it was just mentioned when asked in the TV debates. It's only a backtrack if they said they'd do it, and they didn't. You can defend them as much as you like. I'm in no doubt They'd worded it just nice to suck in the gullible and leave an escape rout They probably did, politicians in trying to win votes by shady means shock. It was never at any point said however that they'd wipe student debt. There's plenty to attack labour (or any other party) about, saying they've backtracked on something that they've not changed their view on isn't the right avenue to go down.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 16:14:19 GMT
You can defend them as much as you like. I'm in no doubt They'd worded it just nice to suck in the gullible and leave an escape rout They probably did, politicians in trying to win votes by shady means shock. It was never at any point said however that they'd wipe student debt. There's plenty to attack labour (or any other party) about, saying they've backtracked on something that they've not changed their view on isn't the right avenue to go down. I agree they're all at it...."shady means" im just highlighting labours shady doings the way the socialists on here highlight the £350m bus ad
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 16:17:04 GMT
They probably did, politicians in trying to win votes by shady means shock. It was never at any point said however that they'd wipe student debt. There's plenty to attack labour (or any other party) about, saying they've backtracked on something that they've not changed their view on isn't the right avenue to go down. I agree they're all at it...."shady means" im just highlighting labours shady doings the way the socialists on here highlight the £350m bus ad I think the bus ad was a little more direct, this to me seems like Corbyn said 'we'll obviously try and help past students' without thinking that people will jump on it with unbelievable pedantry. The fact is, 90% of people who talk about politics on the internet, won't change their mind whatever debate you have, on both sides. This is further proof of that for me, reading comments on twitter etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 16:22:17 GMT
I agree they're all at it...."shady means" im just highlighting labours shady doings the way the socialists on here highlight the £350m bus ad I think the bus ad was a little more direct, this to me seems like Corbyn said 'we'll obviously try and help past students' without thinking that people will jump on it with unbelievable pedantry. The fact is, 90% of people who talk about politics on the internet, won't change their mind whatever debate you have, on both sides. This is further proof of that for me, reading comments on twitter etc. The bus ad was obvious to me meaning we could use that money ...not for one minute did I believe they would spend 350m on the NHS just as I don't believe labour will give out free money and I agree about going around in circles on here luckily we are sitting next to each other in the same room to continue
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Post by rat on Jul 18, 2017 7:39:17 GMT
I think the bus ad was a little more direct, this to me seems like Corbyn said 'we'll obviously try and help past students' without thinking that people will jump on it with unbelievable pedantry. The fact is, 90% of people who talk about politics on the internet, won't change their mind whatever debate you have, on both sides. This is further proof of that for me, reading comments on twitter etc. The bus ad was obvious to me meaning we could use that money ... not for one minute did I believe they would spend 350m on the NHS just as I don't believe labour will give out free money and I agree about going around in circles on here luckily we are sitting next to each other in the same room to continue Isn't it amazing that all the bloody Tories on this one football messageboard just knew that this was bullshit? Pull the other one Fraise. And you're wrong about Corbyn bullshitting as well.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 18, 2017 8:21:05 GMT
The bus ad was obvious to me meaning we could use that money ... not for one minute did I believe they would spend 350m on the NHS just as I don't believe labour will give out free money and I agree about going around in circles on here luckily we are sitting next to each other in the same room to continue Isn't it amazing that all the bloody Tories on this one football messageboard just knew that this was bullshit? Pull the other one Fraise. And you're wrong about Corbyn bullshitting as well. I truly believe that corbyn isn't bullshiting either The problem is he actually believes in the complete idiotic clap trap he preaches
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 8:25:59 GMT
The bus ad was obvious to me meaning we could use that money ... not for one minute did I believe they would spend 350m on the NHS just as I don't believe labour will give out free money and I agree about going around in circles on here luckily we are sitting next to each other in the same room to continue Isn't it amazing that all the bloody Tories on this one football messageboard just knew that this was bullshit? Pull the other one Fraise. And you're wrong about Corbyn bullshitting as well. Only remainers insist on believing that as it suits their agenda and would you please stop replying to my posts, I don't like to associate with vermin
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 18, 2017 13:50:33 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 18, 2017 15:43:36 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 18, 2017 16:13:44 GMT
just been on 5 news decline in life expectancy may be down to austerity bet it wont be for the rich though
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Post by rat on Jul 18, 2017 17:52:55 GMT
Isn't it amazing that all the bloody Tories on this one football messageboard just knew that this was bullshit? Pull the other one Fraise. And you're wrong about Corbyn bullshitting as well. Only remainers insist on believing that as it suits their agenda and would you please stop replying to my posts, I don't like to associate with vermin Sorry your fucking highness.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 20, 2017 9:33:50 GMT
Just proves you don't need an Oxbridge education to be a liar. In fact you don't need any education to the be Labour's Shadow Education Secretary apparently....
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Post by salopstick on Jul 20, 2017 10:00:53 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 20, 2017 20:21:22 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 21, 2017 1:40:26 GMT
Dunna worry it'll be the diabetes talking...
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Post by rat on Jul 21, 2017 3:05:55 GMT
You've got a bloody nerve criticising anything with the shambles that you support, propped up by the political wing of the old testament, in No. 10. There's a time for Tory smugness, but now aint it.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 21, 2017 3:33:42 GMT
You've got a bloody nerve criticising anything with the shambles that you support, propped up by the political wing of the old testament, in No. 10. There's a time for Tory smugness, but now aint it. It's not Tory smugness. It's labour lying again to attract the student vote. I wonder what will be made of this in a few months time when there is another election. I imagine their manifesto will change some based on an ability to get costings right. Will the students get out of bed this time knowing they were conned last time?
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Post by rat on Jul 21, 2017 3:37:33 GMT
You've got a bloody nerve criticising anything with the shambles that you support, propped up by the political wing of the old testament, in No. 10. There's a time for Tory smugness, but now aint it. It's not Tory smugness. It's labour lying again to attract the student vote. I wonder what will be made of this in a few months time when there is another election. I imagine their manifesto will change some based on an ability to get costings right. Will the students get out of bed this time knowing they were conned last time? Saddling youngsters with £60,000 of debt before they even score a job is not the way we should be operating in my view. OK, I know it has to be paid for, I totally get that Salop, but surely there must be a better way to fund Uni edu?
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Post by salopstick on Jul 21, 2017 3:55:40 GMT
It's not Tory smugness. It's labour lying again to attract the student vote. I wonder what will be made of this in a few months time when there is another election. I imagine their manifesto will change some based on an ability to get costings right. Will the students get out of bed this time knowing they were conned last time? Saddling youngsters with £60,000 of debt before they even score a job is not the way we should be operating in my view. OK, I know it has to be paid for, I totally get that Salop, but surely there must be a better way to fund Uni edu? www.moneysavingexpert.com/students/student-loans-tuition-fees-changes
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Post by rat on Jul 21, 2017 3:59:49 GMT
That's pure mitigation, and I get that. In my view the fundamental position is wrong. It's a political choice.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 21, 2017 4:17:09 GMT
That's pure mitigation, and I get that. In my view the fundamental position is wrong. It's a political choice. I agree. Bin fees and lets go back to crumbling universities attended by mainly the wealthy. That will stop this lack of graduate jobs and ensure those with degrees stay at the top of the employment ladder. It will stop the aspirations of working class kids of going to university Blairs problem with university fees is the name. Do it in another way and just call it a graduate tax. Same as other countries. An easier pill to swallow and more acceptable. Then it no longer becomes a political point scoring exercise.
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Post by rat on Jul 21, 2017 4:26:30 GMT
That's pure mitigation, and I get that. In my view the fundamental position is wrong. It's a political choice. I agree. Bin fees and lets go back to crumbling universities attended by mainly the wealthy. That will stop this lack of graduate jobs and ensure those with degrees stay at the top of the employment ladder. It will stop the aspirations of working class kids of going to university Blairs problem with university fees is the name. Do it in another way and just call it a graduate tax. Same as other countries. An easier pill to swallow and more acceptable. Then it no longer becomes a political point scoring exercise. If the Chinese can produce 8 million graduates a year FOC, then why the hell can't we produce a proportionally equivalent number of top quality grads? It's a global jobs market and a top notch British education sets our young people apart on this planet. Should be a sacrosanct birthright in my view, irrespective of political allegiance. The one thing we have in the UK is a first rate Higher Ed system, it's perhaps the best in the world. We should be empowering our youngsters with that benefit. www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/04/higher-education-in-china-has-boomed-in-the-last-decade
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 21, 2017 7:33:26 GMT
Right on Uni fees etc there are a few myths tuition fees were introduced to make up a funding gap (yes by labour) at the demand of the top university's that wanted more money however they have been radically risen by the Tory's in government this has a deterrent effect on poorer families and students not wanting to be in so much debt. Labour in this election said that they would get rid of these fees and also reintroduce a maintenance grant this they say would cost 11 billion a year but I don't think it will be that much as some have you have pointed out students don't pay anything back till they reach a certain wage and some never pay any back this money therefore is wiped off already, you then also have the administration costs of this system etc that would be saved from not chasing up this debt also these higher wage earners would be paying back into the economy at higher rates of income tax hence also contributing to there and other students education throughout there life time.
The other thing that came out yesterday is that the rate of interest on these student loans is 6% well above a normal loan at a bank why?? this puts students at a constant disadvantage as they start in life!
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 21, 2017 12:17:47 GMT
Strong on the economy hay!! UK government borrowing rises in June linkWell the Tory's have to pay there bribes somehow!! The Tory's Just incompetent! time for them to go!
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Post by rat on Jul 21, 2017 12:46:59 GMT
Strong on the economy hay!! UK government borrowing rises in June linkWell the Tory's have to pay there bribes somehow!! The Tory's Just incompetent! time for them to go! Don't be daft Sexy, them Tories are doing a fine fucking job
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 21, 2017 12:48:37 GMT
Strong on the economy hay!! UK government borrowing rises in June linkWell the Tory's have to pay there bribes somehow!! The Tory's Just incompetent! time for them to go! Don't be daft Sexy, them Tories are doing a fine fucking job Yep good at fuc@@@@ the country over
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 21, 2017 15:00:59 GMT
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Post by rat on Jul 21, 2017 15:08:39 GMT
Whereas you can't see the benches for massed Tories poised for debate. You might want to check the commons timetable first and also the quality of tweet you choose to foist upon this board.
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