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Post by nutterpotter on Mar 22, 2017 22:43:47 GMT
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Post by LDE76 on Mar 22, 2017 22:55:13 GMT
Teammates turned up for training and found his baseball cap on bricks.
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Post by eddy on Mar 22, 2017 22:55:51 GMT
12 years old! Hopefully this young fella isn't too disillusioned by all this. At that age he probably just wants to play football, and the adults around him have fucked it up for him a bit really if my understanding is correct and he can't play competitively until 50odd grand is paid. The FA as a rule should be doing all they can to get promising youngsters as much playing time as possible, shouldn't they? Unfortunate all round really.
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Post by Northy on Mar 23, 2017 4:21:55 GMT
a shame, best if he rejoins Stoke if they would forgive and forget
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 23, 2017 6:38:07 GMT
a shame, best if he rejoins Stoke if they would forgive and forget I'd take the 50 grand it's three quarters or lmbullas wage next week Unfortunately for the young lad he has to be made a example of You do not leave Stoke for the bindippers As for the parents they have learnt a lesson the grass is not always greener As for Liverpool I'm sure they will after a couple of inquiries Be found completely innocent |
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Post by nonameface on Mar 23, 2017 6:46:10 GMT
a shame, best if he rejoins Stoke if they would forgive and forget I know this is tough on the young lad but I hope we don't forgive and forget. Definitely better long term to make an example of the situation. |
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Post by Northy on Mar 23, 2017 7:00:41 GMT
nothing like making a mistake, realising it then admitting it and hoping to reverse it.
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Post by tijuanabrass on Mar 23, 2017 7:14:22 GMT
I must be reading it wrong . Yes Liverpool were doing the dodgy ( quelle surprise) but are his parents not culpable of trying to sell the London Bridge to two seperate buyers. I feel sorry for the lad - he's only 12 after all - but how could his guardians not know they were double dipping?
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Post by Northy on Mar 23, 2017 7:19:13 GMT
a shame, best if he rejoins Stoke if they would forgive and forget I know this is tough on the young lad but I hope we don't forgive and forget. Definitely better long term to make an example of the situation. in your post you said 'young lad' he's not worldly wise is he? how good would it be for the clubs academy image if he did return and a statement released saying something along the lines of wishing he hadnt moved as everything is great at Stoke? |
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Post by nonameface on Mar 23, 2017 7:35:59 GMT
I know this is tough on the young lad but I hope we don't forgive and forget. Definitely better long term to make an example of the situation. in your post you said 'young lad' he's not worldly wise is he? how good would it be for the clubs academy image if he did return and a statement released saying something along the lines of wishing he hadnt moved as everything is great at Stoke? I doubt it's him who's made the decision. It would also show people that it doesn't matter if it doesn't work out at another club; we'll take you back. It would encourage more to do the same! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 7:55:17 GMT
I hope we bring him back, for everyone's sake. If he's our best, or even one of, at U12 level, then it makes footballing sense. Getting him to play regularly again and helping his parents out would shine well on the club.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 23, 2017 8:29:25 GMT
Stick to what you're good at L'pool..........car wheels!
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Post by medwaypotter on Mar 23, 2017 8:46:18 GMT
The investigation will prove everything was Stokes wrong doing, and a green light will come on for the court cases and compensation that the bindippers deserve.
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Post by Waggy on Mar 23, 2017 8:58:01 GMT
in your post you said 'young lad' he's not worldly wise is he? how good would it be for the clubs academy image if he did return and a statement released saying something along the lines of wishing he hadnt moved as everything is great at Stoke? I doubt it's him who's made the decision. It would also show people that it doesn't matter if it doesn't work out at another club; we'll take you back. It would encourage more to do the same! Maybe, perhaps if he says " i was a stupid boy and his parents say " we wanted the best for his education but perhaps we were naive buggers" |
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Post by essexstokey on Mar 23, 2017 9:06:12 GMT
Liverpool have always managed to get there way with the fa and the authorities years ago Crewe had a goalkeeper that could not sign for them professionally because they could not get a work permit so he played for them on an armature basis at the end of the season Liverpool applied for one and got it straight away (surprise surprise) no payment to Crewe can any one guess who? clue over 30 years ago
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Post by stokebloke on Mar 23, 2017 9:28:28 GMT
It's a shame we lost Brereton to forest who Liverpool are now tapping up..local lad who slipped the net.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2017 9:49:43 GMT
It's a shame we lost Brereton to forest who Liverpool are now tapping up..local lad who slipped the net. We released him when he was 16. We didn't "lose" him. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 23, 2017 9:56:40 GMT
Liverpool have always managed to get there way with the fa and the authorities years ago Crewe had a goalkeeper that could not sign for them professionally because they could not get a work permit so he played for them on an armature basis at the end of the season Liverpool applied for one and got it straight away (surprise surprise) no payment to Crewe can any one guess who? clue over 30 years ago Grobballar? |
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Post by metalhead on Mar 23, 2017 10:52:55 GMT
Liverpool have always managed to get there way with the fa and the authorities years ago Crewe had a goalkeeper that could not sign for them professionally because they could not get a work permit so he played for them on an armature basis at the end of the season Liverpool applied for one and got it straight away (surprise surprise) no payment to Crewe can any one guess who? clue over 30 years ago You have to understand though: Why would the FA give a work permit Crewe? Simple logic. He can't be that good if he plays for Crewe. He must be a top talent if he plays for Liverpool though. |
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Post by wuzza on Mar 23, 2017 11:38:05 GMT
Interesting to know why the parents decided a move to Liverpool was in the child interests.
On the face of it they pretty much had everything they could expect at Stoke so why move to another club where relocation was required -No faith in our system? ...or something else?
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Post by elystokie on Mar 23, 2017 11:47:36 GMT
Liverpool have always managed to get there way with the fa and the authorities years ago Crewe had a goalkeeper that could not sign for them professionally because they could not get a work permit so he played for them on an armature basis at the end of the season Liverpool applied for one and got it straight away (surprise surprise) no payment to Crewe can any one guess who? clue over 30 years ago Got to be a wind up... |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 23, 2017 12:33:25 GMT
Liverpool have always managed to get there way with the fa and the authorities years ago Crewe had a goalkeeper that could not sign for them professionally because they could not get a work permit so he played for them on an armature basis at the end of the season Liverpool applied for one and got it straight away (surprise surprise) no payment to Crewe can any one guess who? clue over 30 years ago Got to be a wind up... not to mention a completely inaccurate misrepresentation of the facts! Grobbelar himself said it was while he on loan at Crewe that he found out (from his mum) that he was eligible for an ancestral VISA (which then allowed a WP freely)... “I still couldn’t get a work permit but it was only on loan, I got there in October and, in the December, I rang my mother. “I wanted to know if anyone in our family had been born on British soil and, as it turned out, my great-grandfather was with the Lancashire Fusiliers during the Boer War. “They had been stationed at a fort in a castle and he had a son, so my grandfather had been born in that castle, which was a British stronghold. With that, I got an ancestral Visa!" It had fuck all to do with Liverpool getting their way. At the time it was West Brom that had tried to sign him without getting a WP not Liverpool. After Crewe, he spent the next season back at his parent club Vancouver whitecaps (where he managed to get regular gametime finally) and it was the season after that Liverpool bought him i.e. 18 months AFTER he'd already got his VISA sorted (which he originally did because he wanted to join West Brom while Big Ron was there. Before he joined Crewe on loan, he'd spent 5 months training with WBA whilst trying to get his WP sorted). But why let what the man explained himself get in the way of an excuse to slag off a club eh? |
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Post by elystokie on Mar 23, 2017 12:43:28 GMT
not to mention a completely inaccurate misrepresentation of the facts! Grobbelar himself said it was while he on loan at Crewe that he found out (from his mum) that he was eligible for an ancestral VISA (which then allowed a WP freely)... “I still couldn’t get a work permit but it was only on loan, I got there in October and, in the December, I rang my mother. “I wanted to know if anyone in our family had been born on British soil and, as it turned out, my great-grandfather was with the Lancashire Fusiliers during the Boer War. “They had been stationed at a fort in a castle and he had a son, so my grandfather had been born in that castle, which was a British stronghold. With that, I got an ancestral Visa!" It had fuck all to do with Liverpool getting their way. At the time it was West Brom that had tried to sign him without getting a WP not Liverpool. After Crewe, he spent the next season back at his parent club Vancouver whitecaps (where he managed to get regular gametime finally) and it was the season after that Liverpool bought him i.e. 18 months AFTER he'd already got his VISA sorted (which he originally did because he wanted to join West Brom while Big Ron was there. Before he joined Crewe on loan, he'd spent 5 months training with WBA whilst trying to get his WP sorted). But why let what the man explained himself get in the way of an excuse to slag off a club eh? Sorry Mick, it wasn't so much a comment on the state of things, more a play on the mis-spelling, as indicated by the bits in bold :) I do realise it's of limited appeal tho', mainly for the engineering types among us. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2017 12:47:57 GMT
Interesting to know why the parents decided a move to Liverpool was in the child interests. On the face of it they pretty much had everything they could expect at Stoke so why move to another club where relocation was required -No faith in our system? ...or something else? £££££££ |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 23, 2017 12:51:59 GMT
There seems to be a bunch of rules about poaching young players that top clubs just ignore and flout.
They then get a slap on the wrist, a measly fine and everyone just carries on.
What is the point of having any rules if there is no real punishment for breaking them?
It goes the same with the FFP rules > They just got quietly ignored after PSG and Man City were found in breach a few years back. Absolutely nothing on the news. Barca & Real Madrid are always buying up talent illegally and their transfer bans are quietly forgotten about or circumvented.
The FA, Premier League, UEFA & FIFA are all too weak against the top clubs. Competition is being eroded because the TV revenues demand that the top clubs get special treatment to stay on TV. Lets not pretend football is anything like a level playing field.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 23, 2017 12:52:11 GMT
Interesting to know why the parents decided a move to Liverpool was in the child interests. On the face of it they pretty much had everything they could expect at Stoke so why move to another club where relocation was required -No faith in our system? ...or something else? £££££££ Which is the rather depressing answer I feared. |
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Post by penkvillepotter on Mar 23, 2017 13:07:05 GMT
You only have to look at the Youth Cup semi final line up to see the way it's going. Depressing.
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Post by essexstokey on Mar 23, 2017 13:28:22 GMT
Right no matter what was said at the time as a young boy I was very close to Crewe in fact after Bruce Grobbelaar signed his contract I was the first young person he saw and he ruffled my hair for good luck the players as a joxe bought him a cushion in the shape of a hot water bottle I think it was Tony Waiters( thought it was tony greg too just checked my facts) who brought him to the club as he was touting him around all the other clubs but none could get a work permit,
It came through that Liverpool were interested and again Crewe tried to get a work permit and couldnt Liverpool applied once and to the shock of those at the club they got the permit. He then left with no compensation to Crewe
Crewe at the time were in grave financial situation and were within a few hours of going into liquidation about the same time Dario and his investors came in so don't tell me I don't know what im talking about because even at a young age I was deep within the club the best thing was I was a stoke and forest supporter even then and even though I got free tickets never watched a match.
I do have other stories about behind the scenes at Crewe but no one would be interested when I do comment about those times (like in the Warnock thread) I am sure of my facts because I was there within the club on a day to day basis
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 23, 2017 13:37:12 GMT
Right no matter what was said at the time as a young boy I was very close to Crewe in fact after Bruce Grobbelaar signed his contract I was the first young person he saw and he ruffled my hair for good luck the players as a joxe bought him a cushion in the shape of a hot water bottle I think it was Harry greg who brought him to the club as he was touting him around all the other clubs but none could get a work permit, It came through that Liverpool were interested and again Crewe tried to get a work permit and couldent Liverpool applied once and to the shock of those at the club they got the permit. He then left with no compensation to Crewe Crewe at the time were in grave financial situation and were within a few hours of going into liquidation about the same time Dario and his investors came in so don't tell me I don't know what im talking about because even at a young age I was deep within the club the best thing was I was a stoke and forest supporter even then and even though I got free tickets never watched a match. I do have other stories about behind the scenes at Crewe but no one would be interested when I do comment about those times (like in the Warnock thread) I am sure of my facts because I was there within the club on a day to day basis Why would Crewe get compensation given the fact he was only on loan, went back to his parent club after the loan spell had elapsed and Liverpool bought him from that club more than a season after he'd stopped playing for Crewe? He didn't go to Liverpool from Crewe....he went back to Vancouver, played a season with them THEN went to Liverpool the year after. They are recorded facts anyone can find mate whether you were there or not.....plus, no offence but i kinda believe the bloke himself rather than your memory (which is clearly flawed based on your idea he went straight from Crewe to Liverpool which quite simply just didn't happen). |
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Post by essexstokey on Mar 23, 2017 13:40:00 GMT
At the time it was sold on the grounds to Crewe that he was on amateur forms not on loan and he was being touted around other clubs and crewe took the chance to see what he did in training it was amazing whether this is something that was kept quiet at the time I don't know I also remember on his last game he went up to take a penalty as it was his ambition to score the management were going ballistic as they needed to win and he was leaving the net empty
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