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Post by crapslinger on Mar 2, 2017 12:28:07 GMT
The manager has obviously given up on our record signing, he seems to want to hide him away either out of the match squad or leaves him on the bench at best, the introduction of Cameron on Sunday after four months out with injury while Imbula sat on his arse says it all. Absolute abortion of a signing the money wasted on him as a gamble is a step to far for a club like ours, why is he not starting Berahino ?, what has he seem that is stopping him playing the lad ?, why does it take so long for our players to settle in ?, why does he spunk money away on players then fuck them off on loan ? Why do you keep making the same points over and over and over and over again? Because they are relevant to the thread perhaps
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 12:32:25 GMT
Why do you keep making the same points over and over and over and over again? Because they are relevant to the thread perhaps You are absolutely obsessed, it's weird.
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 2, 2017 12:37:47 GMT
Because they are relevant to the thread perhaps You are absolutely obsessed, it's weird. Give up ,all you will get is regurgitated waffle ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 12:41:03 GMT
You never seen crapwelder on matchdays before? He's dead easy to spot.... ![](http://images.clipartof.com/small/21318-Sad-And-Depressed-Gloomy-Man-Sulking-And-Walking-Under-A-Rain-Cloud-Poster-Art-Print.jpg)
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 2, 2017 12:44:05 GMT
Because they are relevant to the thread perhaps You are absolutely obsessed, it's weird. I am also correct.
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Post by Davef on Mar 2, 2017 12:51:12 GMT
You are absolutely obsessed, it's weird. I am also correct. Even if you were, repeating the same point twenty times a day doesn't make you more correct.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 2, 2017 13:02:52 GMT
I think everyone is desperate for Imbula to be a success but he has continuously shown so little ... There is definitely talent in there but, as you say, there are just so many inadequacies and weaknesses in his game. I find the idea that some people think he will be the saviour of our midfield completely baffling. The manager has obviously given up on our record signing, he seems to want to hide him away either out of the match squad or leaves him on the bench at best, the introduction of Cameron on Sunday after four months out with injury while Imbula sat on his arse says it all. Absolute abortion of a signing the money wasted on him as a gamble is a step to far for a club like ours, why is he not starting Berahino ?, what has he seem that is stopping him playing the lad ?, why does it take so long for our players to settle in ?, why does he spunk money away on players then fuck them off on loan ? It is hard to contest that Hughes seems to have given up on Imbula, especially considering we were trying to flog him to Italy during January. I don't agree that signing him was a gamble that was a step to far. Some signings work out, others don't, and in the grand scheme of things £18,000,000 isn't that much in Premier League terms if we can recoup £12,000,000 through a sale. I think the issue with Berahino was fitness, but also because Crouch was scoring and playing well. He should start on Saturday though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 2, 2017 13:11:07 GMT
I hope he plays this weekend tbh. I know he's had lots of chances but by default he deserves another one.
Whelan Allen Imbula is what I'd like to see. Imbula playing sort of where Adam did at the back end of the season where we beat Liverpool 6-1. It was a bit of a free role but generally it was around a deeper inside right sort of place. He'd be deep enough to get the ball and drive us on but far enough to limit any defensive liability.
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Post by Gods on Mar 2, 2017 13:16:23 GMT
I think everyone is desperate for Imbula to be a success but he has continuously shown so little ... There is definitely talent in there but, as you say, there are just so many inadequacies and weaknesses in his game. I find the idea that some people think he will be the saviour of our midfield completely baffling. The manager has obviously given up on our record signing, he seems to want to hide him away either out of the match squad or leaves him on the bench at best, the introduction of Cameron on Sunday after four months out with injury while Imbula sat on his arse says it all. Absolute abortion of a signing the money wasted on him as a gamble is a step to far for a club like ours, why is he not starting Berahino ?, what has he seem that is stopping him playing the lad ?, why does it take so long for our players to settle in ?, why does he spunk money away on players then fuck them off on loan ? I must admit your point on Cameron coming straight back in to the team at Spurs after 4 months out while Imbula was left on the bench playing with his todger does tell you all you need to know on whether the manager has thrown the towel in on him or not ![:))](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/jitsPgqXBozY69AOPrPg.gif)
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 2, 2017 13:17:05 GMT
The manager has obviously given up on our record signing, he seems to want to hide him away either out of the match squad or leaves him on the bench at best, the introduction of Cameron on Sunday after four months out with injury while Imbula sat on his arse says it all. Absolute abortion of a signing the money wasted on him as a gamble is a step to far for a club like ours, why is he not starting Berahino ?, what has he seem that is stopping him playing the lad ?, why does it take so long for our players to settle in ?, why does he spunk money away on players then fuck them off on loan ? It is hard to contest that Hughes seems to have given up on Imbula, especially considering we were trying to flog him to Italy during January. I don't agree that signing him was a gamble that was a step to far. Some signings work out, others don't, and in the grand scheme of things £18,000,000 isn't that much in Premier League terms if we can recoup £12,000,000 through a sale. I think the issue with Berahino was fitness, but also because Crouch was scoring and playing well. He should start on Saturday though. If we only lose £6 million on Imbula I will be amazed, as for Berahino pretty sure Hughes said he was fit when we signed him, maybe Jurrasic Tone was right about his lack of fitness.
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Post by pez75 on Mar 2, 2017 14:16:43 GMT
It is hard to contest that Hughes seems to have given up on Imbula, especially considering we were trying to flog him to Italy during January. I don't agree that signing him was a gamble that was a step to far. Some signings work out, others don't, and in the grand scheme of things £18,000,000 isn't that much in Premier League terms if we can recoup £12,000,000 through a sale. I think the issue with Berahino was fitness, but also because Crouch was scoring and playing well. He should start on Saturday though. If we only lose £6 million on Imbula I will be amazed, as for Berahino pretty sure Hughes said he was fit when we signed him, maybe Jurrasic Tone was right about his lack of fitness. He said he was physically fit but not 'match fit' - no conspiracy here...
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 2, 2017 14:44:04 GMT
If we only lose £6 million on Imbula I will be amazed, as for Berahino pretty sure Hughes said he was fit when we signed him, maybe Jurrasic Tone was right about his lack of fitness. He said he was physically fit but not 'match fit' - no conspiracy here... Probably because he had tested positive for drug taking and got himself banned for two months.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 2, 2017 15:06:18 GMT
Imbula hasn't rucked up at Stoke and suddenly forgotten the defensive side to his game.
It's patently obvious that he's never ever had a defensive element to his game, so if you want him in your side, you accept that fact and build a midfield around him to complement the attributes that he can offer you ...
I'm pretty sure that if you played a 3 man midfield with Allen alongside him and a top quality DCM sitting behind him, then you would see Imbula flourish, you've got Allen and the new DCM to get on with the dirty stuff, whilst Imbula is given the freedom to do what he does best, only problem being, in that set up, you're completely fucked with Berahino leading the line.
Berahino is going to (at least) need a number 10 behind him or even a partner in a '2' to see the best out of him ... again a lack of planning from Hughes with regard to recruitment. If he'd focused on a different type of striker then this could be a goer but a bed has been made that is going to have to be lay in.
The only way to get round this, would be to play a 3-5-2 but that would mean having having to recruit 'two' proper wing backs and probably lose Ryan, as all of your three centre backs need to be far more mobile in a 3-5-2, than two centre backs together need to be in a flat back four.
Furthermore there would be no obvious place in a 3-5-2, for Arnie, Shaqiri & Ramadan. So in effect in order to accommodate Imbula, you'd have to lose Ryan, Arnie, Shaqiri & Ramadan AND recruit two new wing backs.
He's going to be gone in the summer isn't he?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 15:10:38 GMT
I hope he plays this weekend tbh. I know he's had lots of chances but by default he deserves another one. Whelan Allen Imbula is what I'd like to see. Imbula playing sort of where Adam did at the back end of the season where we beat Liverpool 6-1. It was a bit of a free role but generally it was around a deeper inside right sort of place. He'd be deep enough to get the ball and drive us on but far enough to limit any defensive liability. Imbula seems to thrive (or at least the majority of his good games have been) away from home, when we're on the back foot and he can drive with the ball from deep on the counter. I think playing him against a Middlesbrough side that will mainly sit deep and defend will probably only end up with him giving the ball away a lot, no space to bring the ball into, and he's not great at playing intricate passes in tight situations. I'm expecting a lot of sideways passing in front of their defence, and don't think he's the right player to help break them down. Having said that, you're completely right, he does deserve another chance soon.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 2, 2017 15:18:07 GMT
I hope he plays this weekend tbh. I know he's had lots of chances but by default he deserves another one. Whelan Allen Imbula is what I'd like to see. Imbula playing sort of where Adam did at the back end of the season where we beat Liverpool 6-1. It was a bit of a free role but generally it was around a deeper inside right sort of place. He'd be deep enough to get the ball and drive us on but far enough to limit any defensive liability. Imbula seems to thrive (or at least the majority of his good games have been) away from home, when we're on the back foot and he can drive with the ball from deep on the counter. I think playing him against a Middlesbrough side that will mainly sit deep and defend will probably only end up with him giving the ball away a lot, no space to bring the ball into, and he's not great at playing intricate passes in tight situations. I'm expecting a lot of sideways passing in front of their defence, and don't think he's the right player to help break them down. Having said that, you're completely right, he does deserve another chance soon. To be fair if Imbula doesn't start on Saturday, considering the performances offered by Whelan, Adam and Allen at White Hart Lane, then it probably signals the end of his career at Stoke. I think that the game might actually suit him, although I agree with your point regarding him driving from deep. Middlesbrough will offer very little going forward (hopefully and if recent weeks are anything to go by) so the lack of defensive responsibility might free him up to express himself a little more.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 2, 2017 15:34:02 GMT
I hope he plays this weekend tbh. I know he's had lots of chances but by default he deserves another one. Whelan Allen Imbula is what I'd like to see. Imbula playing sort of where Adam did at the back end of the season where we beat Liverpool 6-1. It was a bit of a free role but generally it was around a deeper inside right sort of place. He'd be deep enough to get the ball and drive us on but far enough to limit any defensive liability. Imbula seems to thrive (or at least the majority of his good games have been) away from home, when we're on the back foot and he can drive with the ball from deep on the counter. I think playing him against a Middlesbrough side that will mainly sit deep and defend will probably only end up with him giving the ball away a lot, no space to bring the ball into, and he's not great at playing intricate passes in tight situations. I'm expecting a lot of sideways passing in front of their defence, and don't think he's the right player to help break them down. Having said that, you're completely right, he does deserve another chance soon.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 2, 2017 15:37:31 GMT
I hope he plays this weekend tbh. I know he's had lots of chances but by default he deserves another one. Whelan Allen Imbula is what I'd like to see. Imbula playing sort of where Adam did at the back end of the season where we beat Liverpool 6-1. It was a bit of a free role but generally it was around a deeper inside right sort of place. He'd be deep enough to get the ball and drive us on but far enough to limit any defensive liability. Imbula seems to thrive (or at least the majority of his good games have been) away from home, when we're on the back foot and he can drive with the ball from deep on the counter. I think playing him against a Middlesbrough side that will mainly sit deep and defend will probably only end up with him giving the ball away a lot, no space to bring the ball into, and he's not great at playing intricate passes in tight situations. I'm expecting a lot of sideways passing in front of their defence, and don't think he's the right player to help break them down. Having said that, you're completely right, he does deserve another chance soon. Yup. But needs must and the next game is a home one and the midfield needs some new bods in there. He should be one of them. If he wants to play in this league past this season he's got adapt. The lad can shoot. If they're deep he will having shooting opportunities. He's got to learn to play in tight spots, to release it quicker etc. If he can't then there's no hope.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 15:43:03 GMT
Imbula seems to thrive (or at least the majority of his good games have been) away from home, when we're on the back foot and he can drive with the ball from deep on the counter. I think playing him against a Middlesbrough side that will mainly sit deep and defend will probably only end up with him giving the ball away a lot, no space to bring the ball into, and he's not great at playing intricate passes in tight situations. I'm expecting a lot of sideways passing in front of their defence, and don't think he's the right player to help break them down. Having said that, you're completely right, he does deserve another chance soon. Yup. But needs must and the next game is a home one and the midfield needs some new bods in there. He should be one of them. If he wants to play in this league past this season he's got adapt. The lad can shoot. If they're deep he will having shooting opportunities. He's got to learn to play in tight spots, to release it quicker etc. If he can't then there's no hope. True, Having said that I think it'll be most likely be Whelan Allen and Afellay. Didn't see Hughes as one to always take the safe option but the last 12 months (barring trying 3 at the back) has made me rethink.
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Post by Gods on Mar 2, 2017 15:58:51 GMT
Imbula hasn't rucked up at Stoke and suddenly forgotten the defensive side to his game.
It's patently obvious that he's never ever had a defensive element to his game, so if you want him in your side, you accept that fact and build a midfield around him to complement the attributes that he can offer you ...
I'm pretty sure that if you played a 3 man midfield with Allen alongside him and a top quality DCM sitting behind him, then you would see Imbula flourish, you've got Allen and the new DCM to get on with the dirty stuff, whilst Imbula is given the freedom to do what he does best, only problem being, in that set up, you're completely fucked with Berahino leading the line.
Berahino is going to (at least) need a number 10 behind him or even a partner in a '2' to see the best out of him ... again a lack of planning from Hughes with regard to recruitment. If he'd focused on a different type of striker then this could be a goer but a bed has been made that is going to have to be lay in.
The only way to get round this, would be to play a 3-5-2 but that would mean having having to recruit 'two' proper wing backs and probably lose Ryan, as all of your three centre backs need to be far more mobile in a 3-5-2, than two centre backs together need to be in a flat back four.
Furthermore there would be no obvious place in a 3-5-2, for Arnie, Shaqiri & Ramadan. So in effect in order to accommodate Imbula, you'd have to lose Ryan, Arnie, Shaqiri & Ramadan AND recruit two new wing backs.
He's going to be gone in the summer isn't he?
Only if there is a market for his signature which meets the reduced valuation scfc will put on him and someone willing to pay something equating to his current wage and 5 year contract. I'm very doubtful on both counts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 16:17:24 GMT
I'd expect Shaq to be gone. Doesn't give the impression he wants to be here.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 2, 2017 16:20:58 GMT
Imbula hasn't rucked up at Stoke and suddenly forgotten the defensive side to his game.
It's patently obvious that he's never ever had a defensive element to his game, so if you want him in your side, you accept that fact and build a midfield around him to complement the attributes that he can offer you ...
I'm pretty sure that if you played a 3 man midfield with Allen alongside him and a top quality DCM sitting behind him, then you would see Imbula flourish, you've got Allen and the new DCM to get on with the dirty stuff, whilst Imbula is given the freedom to do what he does best, only problem being, in that set up, you're completely fucked with Berahino leading the line.
Berahino is going to (at least) need a number 10 behind him or even a partner in a '2' to see the best out of him ... again a lack of planning from Hughes with regard to recruitment. If he'd focused on a different type of striker then this could be a goer but a bed has been made that is going to have to be lay in.
The only way to get round this, would be to play a 3-5-2 but that would mean having having to recruit 'two' proper wing backs and probably lose Ryan, as all of your three centre backs need to be far more mobile in a 3-5-2, than two centre backs together need to be in a flat back four.
Furthermore there would be no obvious place in a 3-5-2, for Arnie, Shaqiri & Ramadan. So in effect in order to accommodate Imbula, you'd have to lose Ryan, Arnie, Shaqiri & Ramadan AND recruit two new wing backs.
He's going to be gone in the summer isn't he?
Only if there is a market for his signature which meets the reduced valuation scfc will put on him and someone willing to pay something equating to his current wage and 5 year contract. I'm very doubtful on both counts.
Yeah I said the same thing at the start of the thread mate but (as I said above) I just can't see how Hughes can fit him into his team, it's one helluva of a circle that needs squaring!
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Post by nott1 on Mar 2, 2017 17:57:46 GMT
The manager has obviously given up on our record signing, he seems to want to hide him away either out of the match squad or leaves him on the bench at best, the introduction of Cameron on Sunday after four months out with injury while Imbula sat on his arse says it all. Absolute abortion of a signing the money wasted on him as a gamble is a step to far for a club like ours, why is he not starting Berahino ?, what has he seem that is stopping him playing the lad ?, why does it take so long for our players to settle in ?, why does he spunk money away on players then fuck them off on loan ? I must admit your point on Cameron coming straight back in to the team at Spurs after 4 months out while Imbula was left on the bench playing with his todger does tell you all you need to know on whether the manager has thrown the towel in on him or not ![:))](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/jitsPgqXBozY69AOPrPg.gif) Waggy and Trevor will want to see a photo!
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Post by tesco85 on Mar 3, 2017 0:14:46 GMT
Hughes wasted on Imbula think time we need a change of manager we not progressing
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 0:56:24 GMT
Hughes wasted on Imbula think time we need a change of manager we not progressing Genius. 1/10 for literacy. The 1 is not for effort. It's because you got your username correct.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 3, 2017 0:59:08 GMT
The manager has obviously given up on our record signing, he seems to want to hide him away either out of the match squad or leaves him on the bench at best, the introduction of Cameron on Sunday after four months out with injury while Imbula sat on his arse says it all. Absolute abortion of a signing the money wasted on him as a gamble is a step to far for a club like ours, why is he not starting Berahino ?, what has he seem that is stopping him playing the lad ?, why does it take so long for our players to settle in ?, why does he spunk money away on players then fuck them off on loan ? I must admit your point on Cameron coming straight back in to the team at Spurs after 4 months out while Imbula was left on the bench playing with his todger does tell you all you need to know on whether the manager has thrown the towel in on him or not Excellent. I am going to use that phrase somewhere. Not sure when, though.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 3, 2017 1:02:05 GMT
Hughes wasted on Imbula think time we need a change of manager we not progressing Genius. 1/10 for literacy. The 1 is not for effort. It's because you got your username correct. Some astounding stuff being cranked out Old.... I'm this... far.... from the fuses blowing... not. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 3, 2017 1:03:20 GMT
I must admit your point on Cameron coming straight back in to the team at Spurs after 4 months out while Imbula was left on the bench playing with his todger does tell you all you need to know on whether the manager has thrown the towel in on him or not Excellent. I am going to use that phrase somewhere. Not sure when, though. Maybe the next time you host an Arse party at your gaff?
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Post by kustokie on Mar 3, 2017 1:10:06 GMT
Excellent. I am going to use that phrase somewhere. Not sure when, though. Maybe the next time you host an Arse party at your gaff? LOL. I was not well pleased when we got thrashed by Spurs. Not only did I have to suffer through it, I've hearing about it via text all week from that gooner SOB as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 9:00:49 GMT
Report yesterday of possibility of Newcastle signing Imbula in the summer.He has been hugely disappointing and apart from early promise has brought nothing to the team long term. We should cut our losses and Hughes should have a clear out, starting with Imbula, and sign the good DM we need and let's hope Afelay can regain his consistent form he showed before his injury to give us the creativity going forward. Sadly, I have to agree with lots of other contributors who feel we have not progressed this last 18 months. Huighes seems unable to decide on his best formation, but we cannot afford to have a repeat of the humiliating defeat we suffered at Spurs, with home games against Arsenal and Chelsea coming up and Man City nex week. We need to be more competitive and resilient
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Post by tijuanabrass on Mar 3, 2017 10:48:27 GMT
He is still young. I feel that with patience his knowledge of the English game will develop and he will be a very good player.
Probably not with us though
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