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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 15:21:37 GMT
Cannot resist. The only time I enjoy watching manure, is when they lose!
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Mar 1, 2017 15:59:38 GMT
I still think there's a huge talent in Imbula.
He'll be fantastic for somebody, but I doubt it'll be here.
I'm not mad we took the punt on him, it's just a shame for both parties that it hasn't seemed to have worked out.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 1, 2017 18:10:48 GMT
I still think there's a huge talent in Imbula. He'll be fantastic for somebody, but I doubt it'll be here. I'm not mad we took the punt on him, it's just a shame for both parties that it hasn't seemed to have worked out. Agree, and still hope there's a 'yet' at the end of the last sentence.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 1, 2017 18:24:53 GMT
I still think there's a huge talent in Imbula. He'll be fantastic for somebody, but I doubt it'll be here. I'm not mad we took the punt on him, it's just a shame for both parties that it hasn't seemed to have worked out. I feel the same about him as his talent is indisputable, but I also fear he will struggle to release it at Stoke as he in a way seems to be unsettled here. ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/rY_vRFLA3mqqdMbEG4cF.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 18:32:05 GMT
Fund him.
Let him have a "clear out" and rebuild. Then it really is sink or swim.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 1, 2017 18:40:54 GMT
I still think there's a huge talent in Imbula. He'll be fantastic for somebody, but I doubt it'll be here. I'm not mad we took the punt on him, it's just a shame for both parties that it hasn't seemed to have worked out. Makes you wonder why he failed to impress anyone at Porto apart from Mark Hughes that is, not sure where he is his hiding his huge talent but he best find it pronto or we will be looking at our biggest most expensive transfer fuck up in the clubs history.
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Post by djduncanjames on Mar 1, 2017 18:57:13 GMT
To be fair Carps he controlled the pre-season match we had vs. Porto. I was impressed and I think Bowen and Hughes and many others who watched the match agree
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 1, 2017 19:20:36 GMT
To be fair Carps he controlled the pre-season match we had vs. Porto. I was impressed and I think Bowen and Hughes and many others who watched the match agree He destroyed us through the middle that day, maybe jokingly but Charlie said he had to kick him out of the game. I'm certain the decision to buy was based on more than just that game. We've seen great performances from him too. Even as recently as december he put in some decent shifts too. Big money big expectations but ignoring his continued development is something we can't (and won't) be doing. Seems to be 'in' in the squad from the Dubai photos. Hope he gets some game time in the run in. (I've suggested before I'd like to see him against lesser lights in a mid three perhaps). It's such a game of confidence, hope he's benefitting from a more measured intro.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 1, 2017 19:24:04 GMT
To be fair Carps he controlled the pre-season match we had vs. Porto. I was impressed and I think Bowen and Hughes and many others who watched the match agree So why do you think they were prepared to let him go so soon after signing him ?, and to be fair controlling a summer friendly against Stoke pre season isn't a great enhancement is it.
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Post by djduncanjames on Mar 1, 2017 19:28:46 GMT
Wonder how the language barrier is coming along? I think it will make him much more confident Cheeesy It's been exactly one year since Bowen said this: Mark Bowen February 23, 2016 "You can be there talking to him and there's a lovely, big smile on his face, but you're not quite sure how much he actually understands at the moment. "So with all that in mind, a good start is important for him because if it doesn't go so well it can knock you back and make things much more difficult. "But the fact that he's played so well in his first two games, and scored that first goal in the second of them, will bring him on leaps and bounds." Bowen also believes that moving to England will help his game - once he has spent some time in the gym. Read more at www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-giannelli-imbula-limbering-powerful/story-28784615-detail/story.html#8SOUekUhOVTtpP3K.99
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 1, 2017 20:10:31 GMT
Wonder how the language barrier is coming along? I think it will make him much more confident Cheeesy It's been exactly one year since Bowen said this: Mark Bowen February 23, 2016 "You can be there talking to him and there's a lovely, big smile on his face, but you're not quite sure how much he actually understands at the moment. "So with all that in mind, a good start is important for him because if it doesn't go so well it can knock you back and make things much more difficult. "But the fact that he's played so well in his first two games, and scored that first goal in the second of them, will bring him on leaps and bounds." Bowen also believes that moving to England will help his game - once he has spent some time in the gym. Read more at www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-giannelli-imbula-limbering-powerful/story-28784615-detail/story.html#8SOUekUhOVTtpP3K.99If he really has the will to make a go of it in the PL you would have expected he would have a fairly good grasp of the language after over 12 months of living here, it would be interesting to hear Bowen's thoughts on Imbula now, I know he has publically stated that Hughes scouted Imbula in that friendly against Porto could be attempting to distance himself from the mess we have with our record signing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 22:24:33 GMT
So, a manager has some good, some bad, mostly indifferent transfers? See almost every single manager in history
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Post by kustokie on Mar 1, 2017 23:29:54 GMT
Cannot resist. The only time I enjoy watching manure, is when they lose! What exactly does this clear out mean? There's not going to be too many left if we release the pensioners and the duds: Off the top of my head this would be Over 30 (or close to)- Cameron - Crouch - Walters - Ireland - Adam - Affelay - Bardsley - Shawcross - Whelan - Johnson - Given Duds- Bojan - Imbula - Joselu - Wollscheidt - Haugaard - Bony That's 2/3 of the squad. The remainder are: - Sohbi (U-21 so does not count against 25) - Berahino - Shaquiri - Butland - Martins Indi - Pieters - Arnautovic - Allen - Grant - N'goy (U-21) - Muniesa (missing a couple) Plus there's no guarantee we can sign Martins Indi to a permanent contract. It's going to be an interesting Summer.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 2, 2017 0:23:08 GMT
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Post by Gods on Mar 2, 2017 0:25:27 GMT
Wonder how the language barrier is coming along? I think it will make him much more confident Cheeesy It's been exactly one year since Bowen said this: Mark Bowen February 23, 2016 "You can be there talking to him and there's a lovely, big smile on his face, but you're not quite sure how much he actually understands at the moment. "So with all that in mind, a good start is important for him because if it doesn't go so well it can knock you back and make things much more difficult. "But the fact that he's played so well in his first two games, and scored that first goal in the second of them, will bring him on leaps and bounds." Bowen also believes that moving to England will help his game - once he has spent some time in the gym. Read more at www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-giannelli-imbula-limbering-powerful/story-28784615-detail/story.html#8SOUekUhOVTtpP3K.99That's right, we were going to build him up in the gym over last summer and relaunch him on the world this season weren't we? Did this ever get done? He still looks like a string bean of a man to me. His 3 problems are that he is one-footed, easily brushed aside and has no spatial awareness. I'm not convinced there is any coming back from that triple whammy of inadequacy ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/rY_vRFLA3mqqdMbEG4cF.gif)
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 2, 2017 0:28:12 GMT
Cannot resist. The only time I enjoy watching manure, is when they lose! What exactly does this clear out mean? There's not going to be too many left if we release the pensioners and the duds: Off the top of my head this would be Over 30 (or close to)- Cameron - Crouch - Walters - Ireland - Adam - Affelay - Bardsley - Shawcross - Whelan - Johnson - Given Duds- Bojan - Imbula - Joselu - Wollscheidt - Haugaard - Bony That's 2/3 of the squad. The remainder are: - Sohbi (U-21 so does not count against 25) - Berahino - Shaquiri - Butland - Martins Indi - Pieters - Arnautovic - Allen - Grant - N'goy (U-21) - Muniesa (missing a couple) Plus there's no guarantee we can sign Martins Indi to a permanent contract. It's going to be an interesting Summer. Afellay, Shaqiri for a start.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 0:43:58 GMT
Nothing wrong with Affy and Bards.
Some folks want a total bare bones clear out. We need a SQUAD of players.
Edit- Affy just signed for two more years..good news. Top pro.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 1:04:20 GMT
How many players will we need in the summer then? Not that anyone can accurately answer because we'll probably still be lining up with Crouch, Whelan and Adam after the summer window Berahino does not stand a chance, not this season anyway, we don't play 4-4-2 and we haven't got a No.10, what possible lineup could we put out that suits him? Football is so annoying and frustrating sometimes At least ten new players, which is just another way of saying that Grant and Butland apart, the current bunch aren't good enough. Nobody whose contract is up in the summer should be kept on. However most of those new players should be Academy graduates. To modify a little we could keep Allen, Arnie and Indi if possible and use those three, the goalie, and three new players to build the team around with seven academy players coming though not all at once. It would probably see us drop down some places in the league for a year or two but in the end we could have a real future.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 2, 2017 1:12:16 GMT
How many players will we need in the summer then? Not that anyone can accurately answer because we'll probably still be lining up with Crouch, Whelan and Adam after the summer window Berahino does not stand a chance, not this season anyway, we don't play 4-4-2 and we haven't got a No.10, what possible lineup could we put out that suits him? Football is so annoying and frustrating sometimes At least ten new players, which is just another way of saying that Grant and Butland apart, the current bunch aren't good enough. Nobody whose contract is up in the summer should be kept on. However most of those new players should be Academy graduates. To modify a little we could keep Allen, Arnie and Indi if possible and use those three, the goalie, and three new players to build the team around with seven academy players coming though not all at once. It would probably see us drop down some places in the league for a year or two but in the end we could have a real future. Logically the annual turnover of players in a 25-man squad should be around 8-10. This is based on an average contract of three years with three or four players being re-signed and four to six being replaced every year. This does not include U-21 players who don't count against the 25-player limit.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 2, 2017 1:36:36 GMT
Wonder how the language barrier is coming along? I think it will make him much more confident Cheeesy It's been exactly one year since Bowen said this: Mark Bowen February 23, 2016 "You can be there talking to him and there's a lovely, big smile on his face, but you're not quite sure how much he actually understands at the moment. "So with all that in mind, a good start is important for him because if it doesn't go so well it can knock you back and make things much more difficult. "But the fact that he's played so well in his first two games, and scored that first goal in the second of them, will bring him on leaps and bounds." Bowen also believes that moving to England will help his game - once he has spent some time in the gym. Read more at www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-giannelli-imbula-limbering-powerful/story-28784615-detail/story.html#8SOUekUhOVTtpP3K.99That's right, we were going to build him up in the gym over last summer and relaunch him on the world this season weren't we? Did this ever get done? He still looks like a string bean of a man to me. His 3 problems are that he is one-footed, easily brushed aside and has no spatial awareness. I'm not convinced there is any coming back from that triple whammy of inadequacy ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/rY_vRFLA3mqqdMbEG4cF.gif) Fair enough Gods Gianelli has his critics mate...
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Post by Gods on Mar 2, 2017 10:18:13 GMT
Nothing wrong with Affy and Bards. Some folks want a total bare bones clear out. We need a SQUAD of players. Edit- Affy just signed for two more years..good news. Top pro. I agree 100% with that.
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Post by Gods on Mar 2, 2017 10:25:14 GMT
That's right, we were going to build him up in the gym over last summer and relaunch him on the world this season weren't we? Did this ever get done? He still looks like a string bean of a man to me. His 3 problems are that he is one-footed, easily brushed aside and has no spatial awareness. I'm not convinced there is any coming back from that triple whammy of inadequacy ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/rY_vRFLA3mqqdMbEG4cF.gif) Fair enough Gods Gianelli has his critics mate... They should sign him up for MOTD, with the current crop of rather grim and down beat pundits they need someone to add some hyperbole to the show ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by southernstokie95 on Mar 2, 2017 11:07:06 GMT
The incredibly sad thing is, that this boy has so much potential but ultimately lacks the drive to utilise it in English football. For example Chelsea away last year, driving with the ball brilliantly from midfield, winning tackles, knocking the ball around well, everything we need in a midfielder. However it is becoming increasingly difficult to defend him after consistent below par performances when given chances and (improved) but still lack of responsibility in his defensive duties. I do think he needs another crack in the team for a few games alongside Whelan to prove himself, it can't get much worse as of late!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 11:09:40 GMT
99% sure that's imbulas grandad so take what he says with a pinch of salt.
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 2, 2017 11:15:14 GMT
We really need players with pace & drive and can supply Saido with good early balls. Not sure our current set up will best utilise him. I certainly think it needs a really good re vamp for next season. I am still not sure Hughes is the man to embrace our current crop of exciting youngsters. He has and I think will always favour older more solid pro's. Hope I am wrong, if not we could lose some of them who want first team football
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 2, 2017 11:29:57 GMT
Wonder how the language barrier is coming along? I think it will make him much more confident Cheeesy It's been exactly one year since Bowen said this: Mark Bowen February 23, 2016 "You can be there talking to him and there's a lovely, big smile on his face, but you're not quite sure how much he actually understands at the moment. "So with all that in mind, a good start is important for him because if it doesn't go so well it can knock you back and make things much more difficult. "But the fact that he's played so well in his first two games, and scored that first goal in the second of them, will bring him on leaps and bounds." Bowen also believes that moving to England will help his game - once he has spent some time in the gym. Read more at www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-giannelli-imbula-limbering-powerful/story-28784615-detail/story.html#8SOUekUhOVTtpP3K.99That's right, we were going to build him up in the gym over last summer and relaunch him on the world this season weren't we? Did this ever get done? He still looks like a string bean of a man to me. His 3 problems are that he is one-footed, easily brushed aside and has no spatial awareness. I'm not convinced there is any coming back from that triple whammy of inadequacy ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/rY_vRFLA3mqqdMbEG4cF.gif) I think everyone is desperate for Imbula to be a success but he has continuously shown so little ... There is definitely talent in there but, as you say, there are just so many inadequacies and weaknesses in his game. I find the idea that some people think he will be the saviour of our midfield completely baffling.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 2, 2017 11:34:59 GMT
Fund him. Let him have a "clear out" and rebuild. Then it really is sink or swim. I have argued the same on Twitter. Hughes will not go before the summer - and neither should he. What he does need to do is rebuild the squad: - Sign Martins-Indi - Sign up those that are perceived to be useful who are out of contract (Bardsley, Afellay, Johnson ...) - Clear out those that have not performed (Imbula, Given, possibly Bojan ...) - Clear out those that can't break into the first team (Muniesa, Joselu, Wolly ...) - Bring in 4 / 5 new faces (younger, more dynamic players) - Promote and trust some of our academy prospects Back him in the summer and then, as you said, it really is sink or swim.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 2, 2017 12:10:41 GMT
That's right, we were going to build him up in the gym over last summer and relaunch him on the world this season weren't we? Did this ever get done? He still looks like a string bean of a man to me. His 3 problems are that he is one-footed, easily brushed aside and has no spatial awareness. I'm not convinced there is any coming back from that triple whammy of inadequacy I think everyone is desperate for Imbula to be a success but he has continuously shown so little ... There is definitely talent in there but, as you say, there are just so many inadequacies and weaknesses in his game. I find the idea that some people think he will be the saviour of our midfield completely baffling. The manager has obviously given up on our record signing, he seems to want to hide him away either out of the match squad or leaves him on the bench at best, the introduction of Cameron on Sunday after four months out with injury while Imbula sat on his arse says it all. Absolute abortion of a signing the money wasted on him as a gamble is a step to far for a club like ours, why is he not starting Berahino ?, what has he seem that is stopping him playing the lad ?, why does it take so long for our players to settle in ?, why does he spunk money away on players then fuck them off on loan ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 12:18:01 GMT
I think everyone is desperate for Imbula to be a success but he has continuously shown so little ... There is definitely talent in there but, as you say, there are just so many inadequacies and weaknesses in his game. I find the idea that some people think he will be the saviour of our midfield completely baffling. The manager has obviously given up on our record signing, he seems to want to hide him away either out of the match squad or leaves him on the bench at best, the introduction of Cameron on Sunday after four months out with injury while Imbula sat on his arse says it all. Absolute abortion of a signing the money wasted on him as a gamble is a step to far for a club like ours, why is he not starting Berahino ?, what has he seem that is stopping him playing the lad ?, why does it take so long for our players to settle in ?, why does he spunk money away on players then fuck them off on loan ? ![](https://img.clipartfest.com/058625ee08e2387e68dc941f144f3b3c_broken-record-765056-broken-record-clip-art_693-693.jpeg)
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Post by Davef on Mar 2, 2017 12:26:10 GMT
I think everyone is desperate for Imbula to be a success but he has continuously shown so little ... There is definitely talent in there but, as you say, there are just so many inadequacies and weaknesses in his game. I find the idea that some people think he will be the saviour of our midfield completely baffling. The manager has obviously given up on our record signing, he seems to want to hide him away either out of the match squad or leaves him on the bench at best, the introduction of Cameron on Sunday after four months out with injury while Imbula sat on his arse says it all. Absolute abortion of a signing the money wasted on him as a gamble is a step to far for a club like ours, why is he not starting Berahino ?, what has he seem that is stopping him playing the lad ?, why does it take so long for our players to settle in ?, why does he spunk money away on players then fuck them off on loan ? Why do you keep making the same points over and over and over and over again?
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