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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 28, 2017 11:36:47 GMT
There will always be a buyer for Bojan just because he comes with such good pedigree. We will still be able to get the best part of 10 mill for him whatever he does or doesnt do at Mainz. Imbula though is a big problem and we will be lucky to get half his transfer fee back. Imbula + Bojan cost us 18M + 1M so a total outlay of 19-20M. I think we could sell Imbula for 7-8M and Bojan for 9-10M. So at the end we would be about breakeven and Hughes would get away with this in Coates eyes Im sure. You win some and lose some. The key is to keep the books balanced. Boyan for 9-10M. Are you on something ? Erm no. Its simple Bojan was wanted by about 4 or 5 clubs in January including some in the Premier League. He WILL be in demand and that means a bidding war as he doesnt have a release clause and has 4 years left on his contract. The only problem is that Barca might still have a sell-on clause to receive some money. He is wanted in Spain, by a couple of Prem clubs plus possibly in Germany & back in Italy. If we cant sell Bojan for around 10M (considering the going rate for creative players) then the transfer team want putting out of their misery. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 28, 2017 11:39:19 GMT
Well go on then. What happened? They stormed off in a huff after being substituted and left the ground without watching the second halfThey stood in the tunnel and watched the second half The voice of the club🤔 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 11:40:47 GMT
They stormed off in a huff after being substituted and left the ground without watching the second halfThey stood in the tunnel and watched the second half The voice of the club🤔 Nonsense. What happened then, pray tell? |
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Post by cooper67 on Feb 28, 2017 11:40:49 GMT
Imbula and Bojan leaving is down to what happened in the dressing room at half time at the Wolves game. Why? What happened? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 28, 2017 11:41:44 GMT
The voice of the club🤔 Nonsense. What happened then, pray tell? I haven't got a fuckin clue and neither have you |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 11:43:35 GMT
Nonsense. What happened then, pray tell? I haven't got a fuckin clue and neither have you I know they didn't storm off in a huff 2nd half as was allegedly seen at the time. And I know they stood in the tunnel with their club tracksuits on second half, no doubt pissed off by their withdrawal as you would expect from any professional. What was said or not said in the dressing room I know jack shit you are correct, like every other poster on here.... |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 28, 2017 11:46:58 GMT
I haven't got a fuckin clue and neither have you I know they didn't storm off in a huff 2nd half as was allegedly seen at the time..... How do you know that? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 11:50:02 GMT
I know they didn't storm off in a huff 2nd half as was allegedly seen at the time..... How do you know that? Because I've had it confirmed to me by a few people (one of which was a senior steward and massive Stoke fan who stood a few yards away from them both at the time) |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 28, 2017 11:53:17 GMT
Because I've had it confirmed to me by a few people (one of which was a senior steward and massive Stoke fan who stood a few yards away from them both at the time) Ok I believe them🤔 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 11:54:08 GMT
Just read the onlooker's post vis a vis Ireland. Even if fit, there's not a cat in hell's chance, that he'd do that again! Like I said, he wants f'ing off, along with a serious number of others! I think we all know who they are!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 11:56:40 GMT
Because I've had it confirmed to me by a few people (one of which was a senior steward and massive Stoke fan who stood a few yards away from them both at the time) Ok I believe them🤔 Genuinely mate I couldn't give two shits what you do or don't believe. I'm all for debating the shower of shit on the pitch on Sunday, and this is the place for people to speculate it's a fans forum I get that. But lets not get into the territory of making out the speculation is anything other than that, and start making shit up and treating it as fact...... |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 28, 2017 11:59:27 GMT
Genuinely mate I couldn't give two shits what you do or don't believe. I'm all for debating the shower of shit on the pitch on Sunday, and this is the place for people to speculate it's a fans forum I get that. But lets not get into the territory of making out the speculation is anything other than that, and start making shit up and treating it as fact...... Why who's making stuff up? |
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Post by maliciousdamage on Feb 28, 2017 12:02:21 GMT
If Imbula goes, Hughes and Cartwright have to follow. Insanity if he leaves. Cut our losses. Walters Adam and Crouch need to go with them |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 28, 2017 12:04:47 GMT
Genuinely mate I couldn't give two shits what you do or don't believe. I'm all for debating the shower of shit on the pitch on Sunday, and this is the place for people to speculate it's a fans forum I get that. But lets not get into the territory of making out the speculation is anything other than that, and start making shit up and treating it as fact...... Why who's making stuff up? Anyone who disagrees with his point of view obviously, that's how it works  |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 28, 2017 12:10:25 GMT
Why who's making stuff up? Anyone who disagrees with his point of view obviously, that's how it works Anybody who dare question anything about the club/manager will shot down immediately by PP( the clubs PR spokesman)😇 |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 28, 2017 12:13:08 GMT
Absolutely spot on. The only thing sadly with Bojan is that that injury seems to have robbed football of a very good talent if his current sitting on the subs bench at yet another club is to go by? Imbula. Well him not coming on second half at Spurs to give him a run round signalled to me that he is gone in the managers mind. Bony I thought he was a good gamble. That one is down to Bony I believe But the ageing squad and looking at keeping Crouch, Walters, Whelan and Johnson on is crazy to me as good as servants as 3 of them have been Playing Allen out of position is also down to the manager It really feels mixed up at the moment and the regression is there for all to see if they could take their red and white glasses off Yeah, agree with all that and like you I'm not knocking the old guard, it's just that their time has come (and gone in some cases). Agree with Imbula, there was no risk in playing him second half at Spurs, so as you say, he's gone in Hughes's mind, the question is why have him as a sub in that case. To justify buying him in the first place, I agree though Hughes has written off our transfer record signing after 12 months  , he should pay his feckin wages for the next four years as a punishment. |
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Post by nott1 on Feb 28, 2017 12:16:51 GMT
I doubt anyone at the club in a senior role has said anything about selling either of these two players in the summer. Pure conjecture on a journalists part I'm fairly sure!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 12:17:17 GMT
Anyone who disagrees with his point of view obviously, that's how it works Anybody who dare question anything about the club/manager will shot down immediately by PP( the clubs PR spokesman)😇 I thought you were better than that fella, I expect it from crapwelder but your statement is bollocks. I criticise the club where I feel necessary, but all this doom and gloom in my opinion is misplaced. You have your opinion and I have mine, but take the Coates thread as an example - people make a load of sweeping statements based on what he said whereas I'm taking it as a rationale and considered view by an experienced Chairman no more no less..... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 12:18:04 GMT
Why who's making stuff up? Anyone who disagrees with his point of view obviously, that's how it works Everyone's entitled to their view. Even you crapwelder....... |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 28, 2017 12:18:29 GMT
Anybody who dare question anything about the club/manager will shot down immediately by PP( the clubs PR spokesman)😇 I thought you were better than that fella, I expect it from crapwelder but your statement is bollocks. I criticise the club where I feel necessary, but all this doom and gloom in my opinion is misplaced. You have your opinion and I have mine, but take the Coates thread as an example - people make a load of sweeping statements based on what he said whereas I'm taking it as a rationale and considered view by an experienced Chairman no more no less..... Its called banter mate FFS |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 12:20:12 GMT
I thought you were better than that fella, I expect it from crapwelder but your statement is bollocks. I criticise the club where I feel necessary, but all this doom and gloom in my opinion is misplaced. You have your opinion and I have mine, but take the Coates thread as an example - people make a load of sweeping statements based on what he said whereas I'm taking it as a rationale and considered view by an experienced Chairman no more no less..... Its called banter mate FFS Fair enough fella..... |
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Post by wuzza on Feb 28, 2017 12:42:06 GMT
Boyan for 9-10M. Are you on something ? Erm no. Its simple Bojan was wanted by about 4 or 5 clubs in January including some in the Premier League. He WILL be in demand and that means a bidding war as he doesnt have a release clause and has 4 years left on his contract. The only problem is that Barca might still have a sell-on clause to receive some money. He is wanted in Spain, by a couple of Prem clubs plus possibly in Germany & back in Italy. If we cant sell Bojan for around 10M (considering the going rate for creative players) then the transfer team want putting out of their misery. I'm no fan of the transfer team but if they got £10m for Bojan they would have done a hell of a job. No one in Spain or Germany is going to shell out those sort of bucks so unless M'boro or the likes have a brain explosion we are going to have to settle for a lot less. |
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Post by skip on Feb 28, 2017 12:43:01 GMT
If I may attempt to calm the waters a little... yes, the Spurs game was dire. My eight year old could see clearly that we weren't "running as quick as Spurs". However, change management is difficult and rarely travels in a perfectly linear manner no matter how hard you try. That isn't too deflect blame away from Team Hughes competely but they can't have imagined Imbula would not adjust in the way that were hoping, or that others would not play as well in positions or formations that they were hoping*.
Spurs are possibly the quickest team in the league and have a quite incredible home record this season, it's possibly not the most accurate gauge of Stoke's weaknesses although it was a pretty stark reminder of them. A Spurs pal texted me to ask where the hell has Stokelona gone. He's a fair minded neutral when it comes to talking footy and was genuinely shocked to see us play the way we did.
As for the Percy article, I personally don't take everything in it at face value but the major weakness at Stoke is clearly a lack of pace whether old guard or new.
Apologies if that doesn't add anything new to the mix.
*I still find it almost inconceivable that a high grade professional footballer cannot play in a position that has a subtle difference to their preferred one, or that certain combinations of players can't play as a duo or whatever, but that's why I'm not a professional footballer nor manager I suppose.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 28, 2017 12:53:47 GMT
If I may attempt to calm the waters a little... yes, the Spurs game was dire. My eight year old could see clearly that we weren't "running as quick as Spurs". However, change management is difficult and rarely travels in a perfectly linear manner no matter how hard you try. That isn't too deflect blame away from Team Hughes competely but they can't have imagined Imbula would not adjust in the way that were hoping, or that others would not play as well in positions or formations that they were hoping*. Spurs are possibly the quickest team in the league and have a quite incredible home record this season, it's possibly not the most accurate gauge of Stoke's weaknesses although it was a pretty stark reminder of them. A Spurs pal texted me to ask where the hell has Stokelona gone. He's a fair minded neutral when it comes to talking footy and was genuinely shocked to see us play the way we did. As for the Percy article, I personally don't take everything in it at face value but the major weakness at Stoke is clearly a lack of pace whether old guard or new. Apologies if that doesn't add anything new to the mix. *I still find it almost inconceivable that a high grade professional footballer cannot play in a position that has a subtle difference to their preferred one, or that certain combinations of players can't play as a duo or whatever, but that's why I'm not a professional footballer nor manager I suppose. It could be argued that the Imbula situation was foreseeable on the grounds of his complete failure to adapt to life at Porto. We seem to have jumped in with both feet on the back of a barn storming performance in a pre season friendly. The management backed themselves to make a success of the lad and they haven't been able to. |
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 28, 2017 12:57:21 GMT
There will always be a buyer for Bojan just because he comes with such good pedigree. We will still be able to get the best part of 10 mill for him whatever he does or doesnt do at Mainz. Imbula though is a big problem and we will be lucky to get half his transfer fee back. Imbula + Bojan cost us 18M + 1M so a total outlay of 19-20M. I think we could sell Imbula for 7-8M and Bojan for 9-10M. So at the end we would be about breakeven and Hughes would get away with this in Coates eyes Im sure. You win some and lose some. The key is to keep the books balanced. You are forgetting Barca's sell on clauses |
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Post by cousindupree on Feb 28, 2017 13:00:22 GMT
If I may attempt to calm the waters a little... yes, the Spurs game was dire. My eight year old could see clearly that we weren't "running as quick as Spurs". However, change management is difficult and rarely travels in a perfectly linear manner no matter how hard you try. That isn't too deflect blame away from Team Hughes competely but they can't have imagined Imbula would not adjust in the way that were hoping, or that others would not play as well in positions or formations that they were hoping*. Spurs are possibly the quickest team in the league and have a quite incredible home record this season, it's possibly not the most accurate gauge of Stoke's weaknesses although it was a pretty stark reminder of them. A Spurs pal texted me to ask where the hell has Stokelona gone. He's a fair minded neutral when it comes to talking footy and was genuinely shocked to see us play the way we did. As for the Percy article, I personally don't take everything in it at face value but the major weakness at Stoke is clearly a lack of pace whether old guard or new. Apologies if that doesn't add anything new to the mix. *I still find it almost inconceivable that a high grade professional footballer cannot play in a position that has a subtle difference to their preferred one, or that certain combinations of players can't play as a duo or whatever, but that's why I'm not a professional footballer nor manager I suppose. It could be argued that the Imbula situation was foreseeable on the grounds of his complete failure to adapt to life at Porto. We seem to have jumped in with both feet on the back of a barn storming performance in a pre season friendly. The management backed themselves to make a success of the lad and they haven't been able to. You are right about Imbula at Porto it was common knowledge that Porto didn't rate his defensive qualities and that's why they wanted rid. To shun that detail and go ahead based on a pre-season friendly is a shocking lack of due diligence! Only in football I guess because if I make such a bad investment of 18 feckin million and over 3m per year in wages, my board would be seriously looking at both my judgement and my value to the business. |
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Post by cousindupree on Feb 28, 2017 13:02:05 GMT
There will always be a buyer for Bojan just because he comes with such good pedigree. We will still be able to get the best part of 10 mill for him whatever he does or doesnt do at Mainz. Imbula though is a big problem and we will be lucky to get half his transfer fee back. Imbula + Bojan cost us 18M + 1M so a total outlay of 19-20M. I think we could sell Imbula for 7-8M and Bojan for 9-10M. So at the end we would be about breakeven and Hughes would get away with this in Coates eyes Im sure. You win some and lose some. The key is to keep the books balanced. You are forgetting Barca's sell on clauses And maybe Porto's? Do we know? |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 28, 2017 13:05:23 GMT
It mustt be rubbish! Uncle Peter would never give Mark that much to spend..£18!  |
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Post by jeycov on Feb 28, 2017 13:10:58 GMT
Imbula and Bojan leaving is down to what happened in the dressing room at half time at the Wolves game. Only one of them should have started the game |
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Post by jeycov on Feb 28, 2017 13:19:48 GMT
I have absolutely no idea what is going on at Stoke at the moment in terms of succession planning, all I see is muddle. We talk about bringing the age of the squad down but extend or talk of extending contracts to Johnson, Walters, Crouch and god knows who else. We single out players such as Bojan and Imbula who have underperformed but are at least still fairly young, at least in the terms of our ageing squad, yet other underperforming players seem to be picked week after week despite glaringly obvious weaknesses. It seems there is one rule for the old guard and another for newer recruits who get little game time nowadays, even when things are going drastically wrong as at Spurs, they seem to be the fall guys for the malaise at this club at the moment. The Spurs game, for me, was not a accident waiting to happen but a nailed on certainty caused by the failure to address our central midfield pairings obvious weaknesses of pace, energy, guile, mobility, technical ability and above suitability for the modern game. Is this a failure in the transfer market, a misplaced loyalty to the old guard, a reaction to a poor start or more disturbingly a lack of nous on how to integrate new players into the team in a coherent manner. Certainly to transform Allen into a number 10 (which he never will be and never was) from the player he was for Wales, playing as a holding midfielder, with energy, mobility and the ability to move the ball forward is strange, a policy that has come unstuck, unbalanced the team, lessened creativity in a key area and has perhaps accelerated the demise and disillusionment of Bojan. The Spurs game showed that having a "luxury" player in the number 10 role is not the problem, an ageing central midfield pairing that lacks the qualities required for the modern game is. Playing Allen in the number 10 role helps neither the attack nor defence, apart from that short purple patch he had and even then it just masked the problems and it was showed up perfectly in the Spurs match. Regarding Imbula, have we ever given him a platform to play his game, in many ways he is similar to Pogba and Ya Ya Toure, though of course, not in the same class. All switch off, are deemed a bit of a liability defensively, can seem lazy and were criticised earlier in the season yet two of them have been persevered with and a way has been found to integrate them into their respective teams to great effect. The Spurs game isn't a blessing in disguise, a wake up call or anything of the sort, it has been glaringly obvious to most supporters that we have an ageing squad (well the one that plays), that we lack pace all over the pitch and have reverted to "safety first" football. There has either been either a misguided and incoherent transfer policy in some areas or a lack of nous in integrating these new players into the team in a coherent manner, it's probably a bit of both and it reflects badly on many areas of the clubs management. All I know is that the noises coming out of the club at the moment don't fill me with confidence, for all our "comfortable" position in the league we seem to be a club who has lost its way a little and which doesn't seem to have a clear strategy moving forward. Muddled and making do after 4 seasons is worrying to say the least. He does have the attributes and inconsistencies as Pogba and Toure at a less skilful level- however we do not have the players to support Imbula, unlike Man Utd and Man City who have world class players in abundance |
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