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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 10, 2022 19:08:04 GMT
I believe there was mass voter fraud during the 2020 elections just like Trump said there would be Based on some tweets by Donald Trump, when he knew he might lose? No, based of the evidence and based on knowing how snidey and corrupt and degenerate Biden and the Dems are and how desperate they were to keep him away from the white house. Of course CNN and other left wing media outlets didn't help with their biased anti Trump propaganda.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 10, 2022 19:19:24 GMT
Based on some tweets by Donald Trump, when he knew he might lose? No, based of the evidence and based on knowing how snidey and corrupt and degenerate Biden and the Dems are and how desperate they were to keep him away from the white house. Of course CNN and other left wing media outlets didn't help with their biased anti Trump propaganda. Hahaha. Cambridge Analytica got a hard on when they realised people like you exist.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2022 19:21:07 GMT
Imagine a world when the enemies of the west, Russia and China state actors decided to use the anonymous power of the Internet and social media to cause disruption and dystopia on a mass scale in their enemies own back yard. Imagine tailoring messages to one group to tell them how an election had been stolen, whilst winding up the other side about a loss of liberty, freedom, abortion rights, and racism. Imagine giving fuel to a known disruptor political candidate by hacking his opposition server. I honestly believe there is a reasonable chance that the two opposing factions could rise to armed civil disobedience. If I was that Chinese or Russian state actor I would lean back and laugh about the mayhem I had caused, then take the opportunity to take financial and strategic advantage. I wouldn't need to fire a single rocket. It's sadly not fiction. I agree, you only have to look at how infested the religion of woke is in the west , you don't get any of that nonsense in Russia , Putin and co will be laughing their arses off at how pussified Western men have become. 77th Brigade springs to mind as well though 😂😂😂😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2022 19:21:46 GMT
No, based of the evidence and based on knowing how snidey and corrupt and degenerate Biden and the Dems are and how desperate they were to keep him away from the white house. Of course CNN and other left wing media outlets didn't help with their biased anti Trump propaganda. Hahaha. Cambridge Analytica got a hard on when they realised people like you exist. Is he the first oatcake bot? Surely no one is this daft?
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 10, 2022 19:26:41 GMT
Hahaha. Cambridge Analytica got a hard on when they realised people like you exist. Is he the first oatcake bot? Surely no one is this daft? 😂😂😂😂
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Post by wannabee on Aug 10, 2022 19:32:46 GMT
Should there be free and fair elections or should one party be given power? I think that's the argument that's going on. Does the US want to look more like the recent US, or Putin's Russia. Of course there should be free and fair elections in the USA, I never said there shouldn't. But the kicker is it's the Constitution that is the supreme law of the land... That's just how it is and how the Founding Fathers drafted it. They knew what democracy was and decided to try something else based on natural rights... Every man is created equal by his creator and they have a right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Now every man and his dog may disagree but that was their fundamental message and law of the founding of that country at that time in history. If people don't like it there's plenty of other places to live on planet earth. The part underlined in your post is true up to a point, as long as you were White and Male They didn't get around to abolishing Slavery until almost a Hundred years later in 1865 the 13th Ammendment, presumably there were 12 other more pressing things they got wrong. These bunch of Bigots obviously had a rather warped view, consistent with their time, or what Natural Rights should be. It wasn't until 1920 under the 19th Ammendment that Woman achieved Universal Suffrage To hold these "Founding Fathers " out to have infallibility smacks of Cultism
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 10, 2022 19:40:48 GMT
I believe there was mass voter fraud during the 2020 elections just like Trump said there would be Based on some tweets by Donald Trump, when he knew he might lose? I read the Wisconsin court case. The "voter fraud" they were talking about was basically people voting for Democrats. They literally asked the court to throw out all votes in cities because they used a certain form. But *only* in areas that voted the "wrong" way. All the republican areas that used that form were fine. The entire thing is Trump republicans trying to end free and fair elections. The "fraud" thing is the same sort of bullshit as Putin saying he's "denazifying" Ukraine's Jewish president.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Aug 10, 2022 19:59:32 GMT
So do you genuinely believe you know best about whether there has been voter fraud 3500 miles away or do you think you've been hoodwinked by a pressure group or worse still a foreign state actor? I believe there was mass voter fraud during the 2020 elections just like Trump said there would be I can't believe The Oatcake is free. The entertainment 😂
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 10, 2022 20:03:01 GMT
I believe there was mass voter fraud during the 2020 elections just like Trump said there would be I can't believe The Oatcake is free. The entertainment 😂 I know , we'd pay good money for this at a stand up gig 😂
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Post by lordb on Aug 10, 2022 20:10:29 GMT
Hahaha. Cambridge Analytica got a hard on when they realised people like you exist. Is he the first oatcake bot? Surely no one is this daft? Never underestimate stupidity
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Aug 10, 2022 20:27:21 GMT
I can't believe The Oatcake is free. The entertainment 😂 I know , we'd pay good money for this at a stand up gig 😂 Nope, the rest of us would be paying as you're the entertainment. The fine village of Audlem want their idiot back.
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 10, 2022 20:31:23 GMT
I know , we'd pay good money for this at a stand up gig 😂 Nope, the rest of us would be paying as you're the entertainment. The fine village of Audlem want their idiot back. Yep. I think we'd be the ones paying to laugh and you and your ilk 😂
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 10, 2022 21:34:32 GMT
Based on some tweets by Donald Trump, when he knew he might lose? No, based of the evidence and based on knowing how snidey and corrupt and degenerate Biden and the Dems are and how desperate they were to keep him away from the white house. Of course CNN and other left wing media outlets didn't help with their biased anti Trump propaganda. So you have no empirical evidense of voter fraud at all then.
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 10, 2022 21:42:14 GMT
No, based of the evidence and based on knowing how snidey and corrupt and degenerate Biden and the Dems are and how desperate they were to keep him away from the white house. Of course CNN and other left wing media outlets didn't help with their biased anti Trump propaganda. So you have no empirical evidense of voter fraud at all then. Oh dear 😳
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Post by andystokey on Aug 10, 2022 22:13:37 GMT
So you have no empirical evidense of voter fraud at all then. Oh dear 😳 Congratulations on getting your second star, 100 classic 1st posts. 💯 👍
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 10, 2022 22:20:13 GMT
So you have no empirical evidense of voter fraud at all then. Oh dear 😳 So no then.
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 10, 2022 22:30:56 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 10, 2022 22:39:44 GMT
One of the most impressive narratives that the right wing here have managed to create is that Dems somehow have so much power behind the scenes and that Republicans are some sort of underdog.
That would be some trick given the questionably ethical gerrymandering processes that Republicans popularized.
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Post by turtlefox on Aug 11, 2022 0:01:37 GMT
It is all a bit strange though. Trump has been out of office for over 18 months and the FBI are only now investigating missing confidential files from the White House, at the same time that the IRS are only now looking at supposed tax irregularities by Trump, just at the time when the Republicans are apparently showing gains in the midterms and Trump saying he will run again in 2024. It all feels a little bit coincidental. Why the FBI raided him when he wasn't home is anyone's guess. He's not a drug dealer, he's Donald Trump. The FBI would have know of his whereabouts. Not allowing his lawyers to be present during the raid is also a bad move. It's a bit iffy.
There is also the question why Hilary Clinton didn't get investigated by the FBI when she was proven to have confidential files on her home computer, that were shared with people/countries outside of her position and she wasn't even president.
I'm not saying anything as such but in a time when transparency and acting unbiased within law and government seem more vital then ever, I feel that this is a move that will add to conspiracy rather than deflate it. Evidence is needed fast with this investigation or it will polarize the USA even more.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 11, 2022 0:14:38 GMT
It is all a bit strange though. Trump has been out of office for over 18 months and the FBI are only now investigating missing confidential files from the White House, at the same time that the IRS are only now looking at supposed tax irregularities by Trump, just at the time when the Republicans are apparently showing gains in the midterms and Trump saying he will run again in 2024. It all feels a little bit coincidental. Why the FBI raided him when he wasn't home is anyone's guess. He's not a drug dealer, he's Donald Trump. The FBI would have know of his whereabouts. Not allowing his lawyers to be present during the raid is also a bad move. It's a bit iffy. There is also the question why Hilary Clinton didn't get investigated by the FBI when she was proven to have confidential files on her home computer, that were shared with people/countries outside of her position and she wasn't even president. I'm not saying anything as such but in a time when transparency and acting unbiased within law and government seem more vital then ever, I feel that this is a move that will add to conspiracy rather than deflate it. Evidence is needed fast with this investigation or it will polarize the USA even more. The NY investigation has been going for about 3 years. He’s tried to block it since it started and it’s been a huge use of resources and the court’s time because of it. The FBI investigation has also been going on for an age. If he didn’t take home classified documents, he wouldn’t have been raided. Why are people so happy to accept that insane security risk? It’s Trump, he’d have likely sent them to his lawyer’s office if they declared that they were coming. Trump is a joke: a businessman who has far more high profile failures (bankruptcies) than successes, which were mainly just real estate; a Christian family man who pays old porn stars for sex; an “old school” macho man who bleaches his hair and wears make up. He was an awful president who negotiated a crap withdrawal from Afghanistan, constantly praised authoritarian regimes, screwed over the Paris agreement and left us without a deal in Iran. Never managed to get Mexico to pay for that wall either.
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Post by turtlefox on Aug 11, 2022 0:50:37 GMT
I'm guessing you're not a fan of Trump. Personally, I like him but I doubt I would in person. All politicians are full of shit but at least Trumps shit can be smelt and I kind of respect that. Nobody really knows what's going on apart from the FBI and Trump. We choose our sources of information and listen to them because they feel right to us. I'm not a political head but from what I have seen and read it all seems a little blurry and well timed. As I said, I'm not saying either way but they need to produce facts soon and not just headlines.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 11, 2022 0:59:00 GMT
I'm guessing you're not a fan of Trump. Personally, I like him but I doubt I would in person. All politicians are full of shit but at least Trumps shit can be smelt and I kind of respect that. Nobody really knows what's going on apart from the FBI and Trump. We choose our sources of information and listen to them because they feel right to us. I'm not a political head but from what I have seen and read it all seems a little blurry and well timed. As I said, I'm not saying either way but they need to produce facts soon and not just headlines. I mean, they removed classified documents from his house. He/his lawyer admitted as much, but just objected to them doing it. I don’t think that the FBI doing that helps the Democratic Party at all. Republicans will be much more triggered by it. If anything, they are doing Republicans a favour for the midterms. Overall, the best that will ever come from it is that they fine him. They’ll never send him to jail, it’s too much of a disgrace to the US and too much of a security risk.
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Post by turtlefox on Aug 11, 2022 1:24:23 GMT
I'm guessing you're not a fan of Trump. Personally, I like him but I doubt I would in person. All politicians are full of shit but at least Trumps shit can be smelt and I kind of respect that. Nobody really knows what's going on apart from the FBI and Trump. We choose our sources of information and listen to them because they feel right to us. I'm not a political head but from what I have seen and read it all seems a little blurry and well timed. As I said, I'm not saying either way but they need to produce facts soon and not just headlines. I mean, they removed classified documents from his house. He/his lawyer admitted as much, but just objected to them doing it. I don’t think that the FBI doing that helps the Democratic Party at all. Republicans will be much more triggered by it. If anything, they are doing Republicans a favour for the midterms. Overall, the best that will ever come from it is that they fine him. They’ll never send him to jail, it’s too much of a disgrace to the US and too much of a security risk. I can't see anywhere that his lawyers have admitted that the FBI have taken away classified documents. Admittedly I've only been on Sky and the BBC but both are just reporting that Trump is keeping his mouth shut at the moment and I'm sure both outlets would be all over it if it were true. I'll see more in the morning as I'm off to bed. Sleep well !
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 11, 2022 8:12:45 GMT
It is all a bit strange though. Trump has been out of office for over 18 months and the FBI are only now investigating missing confidential files from the White House, at the same time that the IRS are only now looking at supposed tax irregularities by Trump, just at the time when the Republicans are apparently showing gains in the midterms and Trump saying he will run again in 2024. It all feels a little bit coincidental. Why the FBI raided him when he wasn't home is anyone's guess. He's not a drug dealer, he's Donald Trump. The FBI would have know of his whereabouts. Not allowing his lawyers to be present during the raid is also a bad move. It's a bit iffy. There is also the question why Hilary Clinton didn't get investigated by the FBI when she was proven to have confidential files on her home computer, that were shared with people/countries outside of her position and she wasn't even president. I'm not saying anything as such but in a time when transparency and acting unbiased within law and government seem more vital then ever, I feel that this is a move that will add to conspiracy rather than deflate it. Evidence is needed fast with this investigation or it will polarize the USA even more. It's just a witch hunt mate, nothing will come of it though. Hillary and Biden will get theirs in good time
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 11, 2022 9:08:19 GMT
One of the most impressive narratives that the right wing here have managed to create is that Dems somehow have so much power behind the scenes and that Republicans are some sort of underdog. That would be some trick given the questionably ethical gerrymandering processes that Republicans popularized. It's exactly the same in this country, even more so when you appreciate that, in this country, the right has spent much more time in power than any other government. Not so much the case in the US, where it's more evenly split in recent times. (Although, it's arguable how much difference there is between right wing Republicans and not quite so rightwing Democrats!) Aside from the obvious need to blame someone else for the failings that their preferred government has inflicted on this country, you can't help but also wonder why right-wingers consistently vote for such impotent governments that routinely fail to put things right, despite being in power for 75% of the time. If they can't fix things, they're clearly a bit shit, so why vote for them!
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 11, 2022 9:10:44 GMT
I mean, they removed classified documents from his house. He/his lawyer admitted as much, but just objected to them doing it. I don’t think that the FBI doing that helps the Democratic Party at all. Republicans will be much more triggered by it. If anything, they are doing Republicans a favour for the midterms. Overall, the best that will ever come from it is that they fine him. They’ll never send him to jail, it’s too much of a disgrace to the US and too much of a security risk. I can't see anywhere that his lawyers have admitted that the FBI have taken away classified documents. Admittedly I've only been on Sky and the BBC but both are just reporting that Trump is keeping his mouth shut at the moment and I'm sure both outlets would be all over it if it were true. I'll see more in the morning as I'm off to bed. Sleep well !
amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/09/politics/doj-investigation-trump-documents-timeline/index.htmlThere is a fair amount of information here about the development of the search that shows that lawyers were cooperating with the case, that they had already recovered documents and that some were still missing. It also gives some more details on what documents had been missing, for example. This process has been going on since he left with documents that made him look bad. Cover ups happen all around politics, on both sides of the fence, Trump looks like he’s just been caught in the process, probably because he has priors for it.
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 11, 2022 9:15:23 GMT
I can't see anywhere that his lawyers have admitted that the FBI have taken away classified documents. Admittedly I've only been on Sky and the BBC but both are just reporting that Trump is keeping his mouth shut at the moment and I'm sure both outlets would be all over it if it were true. I'll see more in the morning as I'm off to bed. Sleep well !
amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/09/politics/doj-investigation-trump-documents-timeline/index.htmlThere is a fair amount of information here about the development of the search that shows that lawyers were cooperating with the case, that they had already recovered documents and that some were still missing. It also gives some more details on what documents had been missing, for example. This process has been going on since he left with documents that made him look bad. Cover ups happen all around politics, on both sides of the fence, Trump looks like he’s just been caught in the process, probably because he has priors for it. CNN 😁 You may as well quote indymedia as a source 😁
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 11, 2022 9:16:49 GMT
It is all a bit strange though. Trump has been out of office for over 18 months and the FBI are only now investigating missing confidential files from the White House, at the same time that the IRS are only now looking at supposed tax irregularities by Trump, just at the time when the Republicans are apparently showing gains in the midterms and Trump saying he will run again in 2024. It all feels a little bit coincidental. Why the FBI raided him when he wasn't home is anyone's guess. He's not a drug dealer, he's Donald Trump. The FBI would have know of his whereabouts. Not allowing his lawyers to be present during the raid is also a bad move. It's a bit iffy. There is also the question why Hilary Clinton didn't get investigated by the FBI when she was proven to have confidential files on her home computer, that were shared with people/countries outside of her position and she wasn't even president. I'm not saying anything as such but in a time when transparency and acting unbiased within law and government seem more vital then ever, I feel that this is a move that will add to conspiracy rather than deflate it. Evidence is needed fast with this investigation or it will polarize the USA even more. It's just a witch hunt mate, nothing will come of it though. Hillary and Biden will get theirs in good time Lol, a witch hunt. If Hilary Clinton was going to be prosecuted, how come Republicans didn’t manage to do it during Trump’s presidency, when they had control over the Presidency, the Senate, and McCarthy controlling the House for 2 years? This was also a period where Trump installed a record number of Republican judges. Trump’s own Republican judges and heads of Alphabet Agencies didn’t prosecute Hilary Clinton, despite what I am sure would have been a lot of pressure. They did however throw out a bazillion election fraud cases for any lack of evidence.
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 11, 2022 9:18:49 GMT
It's just a witch hunt mate, nothing will come of it though. Hillary and Biden will get theirs in good time Lol, a witch hunt. If Hilary Clinton was going to be prosecuted, how come Republicans didn’t manage to do it during Trump’s presidency, when they had control over the Presidency, the Senate, and McCarthy controlling the House for 2 years? This was also a period where Trump installed a record number of Republican judges. Trump’s own Republican judges and heads of Alphabet Agencies didn’t prosecute Hilary Clinton, despite what I am sure would have been a lot of pressure. They did however throw out a bazillion election fraud cases for any lack of evidence. She'll be prosecuted.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 11, 2022 9:20:08 GMT
amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/09/politics/doj-investigation-trump-documents-timeline/index.htmlThere is a fair amount of information here about the development of the search that shows that lawyers were cooperating with the case, that they had already recovered documents and that some were still missing. It also gives some more details on what documents had been missing, for example. This process has been going on since he left with documents that made him look bad. Cover ups happen all around politics, on both sides of the fence, Trump looks like he’s just been caught in the process, probably because he has priors for it. CNN 😁 You may as well quote indymedia as a source 😁 If you move away from their opinion pieces, and don’t watch their tv, they are credible. I will read stories on Fox as well, which can be fine, but I’d never listen to Tucker Carlson: a man whose legal argument for avoiding prosecution was that “any reasonable viewer would know it’s all lies” (or words to that effect). law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/new-york/nysdce/1:2019cv11161/527808/39/
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