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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 21, 2024 16:06:00 GMT
Go on, you're dying to tell me, what has happened to NATO funding since 2014? I do know however that the UK was just about the only member back then who paid their fair share. If it's really all about NATO funding, then don't the numbers matter? I know I think weirdly - it's not normal to go look this stuff up. But I think it's important that if the issue is "spending enough" then you need to look at the context and the numbers and not just believe what a politician says. Nothing wrong with looking things up. And I 100% agree with you. We should not trust what politicians say without looking into it a bit furtherš
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Post by desman2 on Mar 21, 2024 22:48:30 GMT
Looks like that woman in New York who went after Trump has been caughts doing the same thing.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 21, 2024 22:58:02 GMT
Looks like that woman in New York who went after Trump has been caughts doing the same thing. They're all snakes. And anyone who thinks it's just Trump who's on a giant grift is a certified idiot. The only plus trump has is he's quite funny and hasn't spent his career as a public servant ripping the system from the inside like that other clown Biden the plastic paddy.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 21, 2024 23:56:45 GMT
Looks like that woman in New York who went after Trump has been caughts doing the same thing. They're all snakes. And anyone who thinks it's just Trump who's on a giant grift is a certified idiot. The only plus trump has is he's quite funny and hasn't spent his career as a public servant ripping the system from the inside like that other clown Biden the plastic paddy. Nah, heās just spent it raping women and bankrupting business after business. Much better than being a politician.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 22, 2024 0:01:37 GMT
They're all snakes. And anyone who thinks it's just Trump who's on a giant grift is a certified idiot. The only plus trump has is he's quite funny and hasn't spent his career as a public servant ripping the system from the inside like that other clown Biden the plastic paddy. Nah, heās just spent it raping women and bankrupting business after business. I don't think Biden actually raped Tara Reid though did he. And to be fair I think the businesses he runs via his brothers and son seem to be very profitable actually š
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 22, 2024 1:08:08 GMT
Nah, heās just spent it raping women and bankrupting business after business. I don't think Biden actually raped Tara Reid though did he. And to be fair I think the businesses he runs via his brothers and son seem to be very profitable actually š If itās shown in court, Iād believe it. Otherwise, you have one President who is a piece of shit rapist and you have another who is Joe Biden.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 22, 2024 1:16:37 GMT
Looks like that woman in New York who went after Trump has been caughts doing the same thing. What is it exactly that you and this ignoramus are actually alledging? At most James's involvement based on the Article is halting the sale of a building owned by a non Profit organisation as she is entitled to do. On reading through a load of superfluous garbage at its heart is an allegation that a Mr Doyle a Board Member of the non Profit Organisation provided a loan of $3M on a Building variously valued between $20/80M and confusingly reported to have been sold for $44M Let's assume for one second that shenanigans have occurred How does this in any way affect Trump who has already been found guilty of a Civil Fraud by a New York Court and needs to raise a $454M Bond in order to appeal the decision?
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Post by foster on Mar 22, 2024 4:46:58 GMT
If it's really all about NATO funding, then don't the numbers matter? I know I think weirdly - it's not normal to go look this stuff up. But I think it's important that if the issue is "spending enough" then you need to look at the context and the numbers and not just believe what a politician says. Nothing wrong with looking things up. And I 100% agree with you. We should not trust what politicians say without looking into it a bit furtherš I always start from the premise that everything a politician says is either twisted truth or plain bullshit. The better you are at it the higher up you go.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 22, 2024 7:29:27 GMT
I don't think Biden actually raped Tara Reid though did he. And to be fair I think the businesses he runs via his brothers and son seem to be very profitable actually š If itās shown in court, Iād believe it. Otherwise, you have one President who is a piece of shit rapist and you have another who is Joe Biden. You see the problem i have with Trump is that the Democrats have very successfully used to him (quite correctly in many cases) to distract from their own failings and shenanigans. And simply relied on people supporting them on the basis they've painted trump to be the worst human being ever to draw breath. Plenty appear to have fallen for it hook line and sinker. The amount of times I've heard he's the new hitler is comical. Its totally ridiculous, like a contagion. And yes trump is a prick but hitler he is not.
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Post by felonious on Mar 22, 2024 7:37:57 GMT
Why Trump may reap billions in Truth Social stock market merger www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68609007He's such an astute businessman who thought that punters would be interested in the Truth.... Social?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 22, 2024 8:28:30 GMT
If itās shown in court, Iād believe it. Otherwise, you have one President who is a piece of shit rapist and you have another who is Joe Biden. You see the problem i have with Trump is that the Democrats have very successfully used to him (quite correctly in many cases) to distract from their own failings and shenanigans. And simply relied on people supporting them on the basis they've painted trump to be the worst human being ever to draw breath. Plenty appear to have fallen for it hook line and sinker. The amount of times I've heard he's the new hitler is comical. Its totally ridiculous, like a contagion. And yes trump is a prick but hitler he is not. You are right that he isn't Hitler but he is still a very real threat to American democracy. You can see the difference in the Capitol Hill riots. Hitler would have taken ownership of the attempt to prevent the handover of power. Trump stayed in the background egging people on and if it had succeeded would have stepped in and taken credit. Hitler put together a disciplined well organised movement that used intimidation and threats of violence in the streets to achieve his political ends. Trump is a social media gobshite who eggs people on and disowns them when they go too far. Hitler was a psychopath driven by a political ideology. Trump is a narcissist driven by his ego. Trump does not believe in the democratic process. He continues to deny he lost the last election and if he were to get another term would declare himself undefeated and do everything he can to subvert the system and stay there. He may not be Hitler but he is a danger to democracy. There may be Democrats with the nose in the trough but they are not a threat to the democratic process.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 22, 2024 9:27:02 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 22, 2024 9:29:53 GMT
You see the problem i have with Trump is that the Democrats have very successfully used to him (quite correctly in many cases) to distract from their own failings and shenanigans. And simply relied on people supporting them on the basis they've painted trump to be the worst human being ever to draw breath. Plenty appear to have fallen for it hook line and sinker. The amount of times I've heard he's the new hitler is comical. Its totally ridiculous, like a contagion. And yes trump is a prick but hitler he is not. You are right that he isn't Hitler but he is still a very real threat to American democracy. You can see the difference in the Capitol Hill riots. Hitler would have taken ownership of the attempt to prevent the handover of power. Trump stayed in the background egging people on and if it had succeeded would have stepped in and taken credit. Hitler put together a disciplined well organised movement that used intimidation and threats of violence in the streets to achieve his political ends. Trump is a social media gobshite who eggs people on and disowns them when they go too far. Hitler was a psychopath driven by a political ideology. Trump is a narcissist driven by his ego. Trump does not believe in the democratic process. He continues to deny he lost the last election and if he were to get another term would declare himself undefeated and do everything he can to subvert the system and stay there. He may not be Hitler but he is a danger to democracy. There may be Democrats with the nose in the trough but they are not a threat to the democratic process. We can go on forever about this side that side and what they have or haven't done. The fact is all elections in America are fundamentally flawed due to the political donations process. The scale of it all is insane. They all buy their way through the political process, buying politicians and buying districts on the way. Murdoch will fund this and Soros will fund that. Whilst he may be doing it himself and is part of the problem, one thing he's right about is its a swamp. And it needs cleaning out. Just not him doing it. And let's face it they all bitch that elections are stolen. Mostly because they have been and it just happens one side was shitter at it than the other this time. This election is going to be crazy for accusations. Extremely sad really. Like watching a slow motion motorway pile up.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 22, 2024 10:40:17 GMT
You are right that he isn't Hitler but he is still a very real threat to American democracy. You can see the difference in the Capitol Hill riots. Hitler would have taken ownership of the attempt to prevent the handover of power. Trump stayed in the background egging people on and if it had succeeded would have stepped in and taken credit. Hitler put together a disciplined well organised movement that used intimidation and threats of violence in the streets to achieve his political ends. Trump is a social media gobshite who eggs people on and disowns them when they go too far. Hitler was a psychopath driven by a political ideology. Trump is a narcissist driven by his ego. Trump does not believe in the democratic process. He continues to deny he lost the last election and if he were to get another term would declare himself undefeated and do everything he can to subvert the system and stay there. He may not be Hitler but he is a danger to democracy. There may be Democrats with the nose in the trough but they are not a threat to the democratic process. We can go on forever about this side that side and what they have or haven't done. The fact is all elections in America are fundamentally flawed due to the political donations process. The scale of it all is insane. They all buy their way through the political process, buying politicians and buying districts on the way. Murdoch will fund this and Soros will fund that. Whilst he may be doing it himself and is part of the problem, one thing he's right about is its a swamp. And it needs cleaning out. Just not him doing it. And let's face it they all bitch that elections are stolen. Mostly because they have been and it just happens one side was shitter at it than the other this time. This election is going to be crazy for accusations. Extremely sad really. Like watching a slow motion motorway pile up. I agree the American political system is way too dependant on big money and there may well be shitty stuff going in Washington but that has nothing to do with the fact that Trump is unfit for high office and a clear threat to democracy. Trump keeps denying, without a shred of evidence, that he won the last election. Literally no other American President in living memory has claimed the election was stolen - that is just not true. Every one, apart from Trump, has gracefully accepted defeat and co-operated fully in the transition to the new President. Your argument that they are all the same is nonsense. What Trump has done, is doing and will if he were ever to get back in office is on a different scale. He doesn't have to be Hitler to be an arsehole of galactic proportions.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 22, 2024 10:46:37 GMT
If itās shown in court, Iād believe it. Otherwise, you have one President who is a piece of shit rapist and you have another who is Joe Biden. You see the problem i have with Trump is that the Democrats have very successfully used to him (quite correctly in many cases) to distract from their own failings and shenanigans. And simply relied on people supporting them on the basis they've painted trump to be the worst human being ever to draw breath. Plenty appear to have fallen for it hook line and sinker. The amount of times I've heard he's the new hitler is comical. Its totally ridiculous, like a contagion. And yes trump is a prick but hitler he is not. Heās not Hitler. I wouldnāt suggest that he is. There are varying grades of shit and heās not on that level. He is a rapist though. He is a racist. Heās a draft dodger, an election denialist and a person whose policies largely aim to benefit only himself. Him coming back to the Presidency would be awful for the US. Heās unAmerican. Heāll never āclean out the swampā. When he came in, he used DC to do the exact opposite: enriching himself and getting Qatar to pay off Kushnerās debt.
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 22, 2024 11:10:08 GMT
You are right that he isn't Hitler but he is still a very real threat to American democracy. You can see the difference in the Capitol Hill riots. Hitler would have taken ownership of the attempt to prevent the handover of power. Trump stayed in the background egging people on and if it had succeeded would have stepped in and taken credit. Hitler put together a disciplined well organised movement that used intimidation and threats of violence in the streets to achieve his political ends. Trump is a social media gobshite who eggs people on and disowns them when they go too far. Hitler was a psychopath driven by a political ideology. Trump is a narcissist driven by his ego. Trump does not believe in the democratic process. He continues to deny he lost the last election and if he were to get another term would declare himself undefeated and do everything he can to subvert the system and stay there. He may not be Hitler but he is a danger to democracy. There may be Democrats with the nose in the trough but they are not a threat to the democratic process. We can go on forever about this side that side and what they have or haven't done. The fact is all elections in America are fundamentally flawed due to the political donations process. The scale of it all is insane. They all buy their way through the political process, buying politicians and buying districts on the way. Murdoch will fund this and Soros will fund that. Whilst he may be doing it himself and is part of the problem, one thing he's right about is its a swamp. And it needs cleaning out. Just not him doing it. And let's face it they all bitch that elections are stolen. Mostly because they have been and it just happens one side was shitter at it than the other this time. This election is going to be crazy for accusations. Extremely sad really. Like watching a slow motion motorway pile up. Who else bitched about a stolen election?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 22, 2024 11:41:15 GMT
We can go on forever about this side that side and what they have or haven't done. The fact is all elections in America are fundamentally flawed due to the political donations process. The scale of it all is insane. They all buy their way through the political process, buying politicians and buying districts on the way. Murdoch will fund this and Soros will fund that. Whilst he may be doing it himself and is part of the problem, one thing he's right about is its a swamp. And it needs cleaning out. Just not him doing it. And let's face it they all bitch that elections are stolen. Mostly because they have been and it just happens one side was shitter at it than the other this time. This election is going to be crazy for accusations. Extremely sad really. Like watching a slow motion motorway pile up. Who else bitched about a stolen election? You can literally YouTube it and listen to them saying it about Trumps presidency. Literally dozens and dozens of Democrats Stacey Abrahams Hillary Clinton Kamala Harris Former president Carter Jerry Nadler Dianne Feinstein And on and on....... Truth is one way or other they all fucking cheat. Whether its via donations, manipulation of media or social media. Electioneering shenanigans, vote harvesting on and on. The American election system is a viper pit. And if you think otherwise then I can only say I think you're very misguided. I mean the Democrats even removed trump from ballots in their states recently. Somewhat authoritarian if you ask me. Let the people decide.
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Post by adri2008 on Mar 22, 2024 12:34:10 GMT
Big mouth moron vs old doddering fool. Diabolical choice.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 22, 2024 12:54:44 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 22, 2024 13:01:02 GMT
Who else bitched about a stolen election? You can literally YouTube it and listen to them saying it about Trumps presidency. Literally dozens and dozens of Democrats Stacey Abrahams Hillary Clinton Kamala Harris Former president Carter Jerry Nadler Dianne Feinstein And on and on....... Truth is one way or other they all fucking cheat. Whether its via donations, manipulation of media or social media. Electioneering shenanigans, vote harvesting on and on. The American election system is a viper pit. And if you think otherwise then I can only say I think you're very misguided. I mean the Democrats even removed trump from ballots in their states recently. Somewhat authoritarian if you ask me. Let the people decide. Please provide a link to a video of someone flatly denying they won an American Presidential election they actually lost. Here's your starter for 10 Trump not only denied the election result he is being prosecuted in Georgia for conspiring to overturn the election result. I repeat. Your claim that they are all the same is nonsense. Literally no-one else involved in American politics has done what Trump has done - it's on a completely different level.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 22, 2024 13:03:00 GMT
Rumour has it Teflon Don was banging his Mrs in the oval office, hence the hatred š¤£
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 22, 2024 13:08:39 GMT
You can literally YouTube it and listen to them saying it about Trumps presidency. Literally dozens and dozens of Democrats Stacey Abrahams Hillary Clinton Kamala Harris Former president Carter Jerry Nadler Dianne Feinstein And on and on....... Truth is one way or other they all fucking cheat. Whether its via donations, manipulation of media or social media. Electioneering shenanigans, vote harvesting on and on. The American election system is a viper pit. And if you think otherwise then I can only say I think you're very misguided. I mean the Democrats even removed trump from ballots in their states recently. Somewhat authoritarian if you ask me. Let the people decide. Please provide a link to a video of someone flatly denying they won an American Presidential election they actually lost. Here's your starter for 10 Trump not only denied the election result he is being prosecuted in Georgia for conspiring to overturn the election result. I repeat. Your claim that they are all the same is nonsense. Literally no-one else involved in American politics has done what Trump has done - it's on a completely different level. I don't do links. You can easily look it up yourself. They exist everywhere if you're open minded enough to look and watch them doing it. The scale and seriousness of it is a different discussion and I would agree that trump has gone way further and longer. I can't stand trump, but I'm not daft enough to let that stop me watching what the other side is doing and hearing the total bollox they come up with as well.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2024 13:42:45 GMT
It's like listening to the rantings of a spoilt 5 year old. An immature, entitled, gobshite with limited vocabulary.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Mar 22, 2024 14:48:07 GMT
Imagine what he'd be like if it was the year 2000 and there was genuine misgivings around what happened.
Trump just repeats a lie in the hope it becomes truth. Not one single court he's been to has found any evidence of fraud.
Looking back all those years you do wonder if Gore would have gone to Afghanistan if needed and the attacks happened etc and shows how much one decision can have huge consequences.
Would Blsir still have become a poodle to whoever was in charge of the US etc at the time.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 23, 2024 11:30:12 GMT
Please provide a link to a video of someone flatly denying they won an American Presidential election they actually lost. Here's your starter for 10 Trump not only denied the election result he is being prosecuted in Georgia for conspiring to overturn the election result. I repeat. Your claim that they are all the same is nonsense. Literally no-one else involved in American politics has done what Trump has done - it's on a completely different level. I don't do links. You can easily look it up yourself. They exist everywhere if you're open minded enough to look and watch them doing it. The scale and seriousness of it is a different discussion and I would agree that trump has gone way further and longer. I can't stand trump, but I'm not daft enough to let that stop me watching what the other side is doing and hearing the total bollox they come up with as well. The only ex-President who has claimed they won an election they lost is Trump. How can I look up links to videos that don't exist?
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Post by lordb on Mar 23, 2024 11:33:11 GMT
Imagine what he'd be like if it was the year 2000 and there was genuine misgivings around what happened. Trump just repeats a lie in the hope it becomes truth. Not one single court he's been to has found any evidence of fraud. Looking back all those years you do wonder if Gore would have gone to Afghanistan if needed and the attacks happened etc and shows how much one decision can have huge consequences. Would Blsir still have become a poodle to whoever was in charge of the US etc at the time. Re Blair, or in reality every PM other than Wilson the answer is yes How would Gore have dealt with 911? Differently but would probably have still had to bomb the shit out of somebody
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 23, 2024 11:52:05 GMT
I don't do links. You can easily look it up yourself. They exist everywhere if you're open minded enough to look and watch them doing it. The scale and seriousness of it is a different discussion and I would agree that trump has gone way further and longer. I can't stand trump, but I'm not daft enough to let that stop me watching what the other side is doing and hearing the total bollox they come up with as well. The only ex-President who has claimed they won an election they lost is Trump. How can I look up links to videos that don't exist? I referred to Democrat politicians generally not presidents. And actually you're wrong anyway thinking about it because Jimmy Carter as I highlighted above denied Trumps 2016 win. So there is that š
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 23, 2024 12:57:41 GMT
The only ex-President who has claimed they won an election they lost is Trump. How can I look up links to videos that don't exist? I referred to Democrat politicians generally not presidents. And actually you're wrong anyway thinking about it because Jimmy Carter as I highlighted above denied Trumps 2016 win. So there is that š This is what Carter said about Trump: āThereās no doubt that the Russians did interfere in the election. And I think the interference, although not yet quantified, if fully investigated would show that Trump didnāt actually win the election in 2016. He lost the election and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf,ā Carter said at the Carter Centerās retreat in Leesburg, Virginia. Asked if he believes Trump is an illegitimate president, Carter paused for a moment. āBased on what I just said, which I canāt retract,ā Carter said to audience laughter. A few things about that: 1 There is evidence that the Russians interfered in the election. 2 Unlike Trump, Carter was not claiming the vote itself was rigged. He was claiming that the Russians used Social Media to influence voters. 3 Carter was an ex President but he was not claiming that he was the one who one the election. Unlike Trump. 4 Carter did not conspire with others to have the results in some States over turned. Trump has a court case pending in Georgia for trying to falsify the result. 5 Carter did not urge rioters to attack Capitol Hill to prevent Trump from becoming President. 6 Carter has not used his position to pressure other to overturn the result of a Presidential election. Your argument that "they are all as bad as each other" is completely bogus and is not supported by what people have actually done and said. What Trump has done and said is not even in the same ballpark.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 23, 2024 14:09:09 GMT
I referred to Democrat politicians generally not presidents. And actually you're wrong anyway thinking about it because Jimmy Carter as I highlighted above denied Trumps 2016 win. So there is that š This is what Carter said about Trump: āThereās no doubt that the Russians did interfere in the election. And I think the interference, although not yet quantified, if fully investigated would show that Trump didnāt actually win the election in 2016. He lost the election and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf,ā Carter said at the Carter Centerās retreat in Leesburg, Virginia. Asked if he believes Trump is an illegitimate president, Carter paused for a moment. āBased on what I just said, which I canāt retract,ā Carter said to audience laughter. A few things about that: 1 There is evidence that the Russians interfered in the election. 2 Unlike Trump, Carter was not claiming the vote itself was rigged. He was claiming that the Russians used Social Media to influence voters. 3 Carter was an ex President but he was not claiming that he was the one who one the election. Unlike Trump. 4 Carter did not conspire with others to have the results in some States over turned. Trump has a court case pending in Georgia for trying to falsify the result. 5 Carter did not urge rioters to attack Capitol Hill to prevent Trump from becoming President. 6 Carter has not used his position to pressure other to overturn the result of a Presidential election. Your argument that "they are all as bad as each other" is completely bogus and is not supported by what people have actually done and said. What Trump has done and said is not even in the same ballpark. Semantics chief. He denied the legitimacy of his presidency over all the knicker wringing the Democrats were doing over Trumps Russia collusion and Pee tapes š They are all as bad as each other all said and done..
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 23, 2024 19:14:46 GMT
This is what Carter said about Trump: āThereās no doubt that the Russians did interfere in the election. And I think the interference, although not yet quantified, if fully investigated would show that Trump didnāt actually win the election in 2016. He lost the election and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf,ā Carter said at the Carter Centerās retreat in Leesburg, Virginia. Asked if he believes Trump is an illegitimate president, Carter paused for a moment. āBased on what I just said, which I canāt retract,ā Carter said to audience laughter. A few things about that: 1 There is evidence that the Russians interfered in the election. 2 Unlike Trump, Carter was not claiming the vote itself was rigged. He was claiming that the Russians used Social Media to influence voters. 3 Carter was an ex President but he was not claiming that he was the one who one the election. Unlike Trump. 4 Carter did not conspire with others to have the results in some States over turned. Trump has a court case pending in Georgia for trying to falsify the result. 5 Carter did not urge rioters to attack Capitol Hill to prevent Trump from becoming President. 6 Carter has not used his position to pressure other to overturn the result of a Presidential election. Your argument that "they are all as bad as each other" is completely bogus and is not supported by what people have actually done and said. What Trump has done and said is not even in the same ballpark. Semantics chief. He denied the legitimacy of his presidency over all the knicker wringing the Democrats were doing over Trumps Russia collusion and Pee tapes š They are all as bad as each other all said and done.. Of course it's semantics. Semantics is concerned with the meaning of words. If words aren't given exact meaning anything anyone says is just noise. You are spot on in that my post is semantically correct. Your posts on this matter are semantically incorrect. I'm using words accurately to describe where Trump is at. You are using words in a way that is semantically inaccurate in order to describe Trump in a way that is fundamentally incorrect. Or to put it another way - you are bullshiting.
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