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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 28, 2017 22:05:02 GMT
Is Shawcross? well almost. most fans fickle? not me just a realist! Bojan a game changer? 2 years ago yes, now no! and we have Shaq and Affelay who can both play number 10! and the rest well that's football management, some you win some you lose! Bojan hasn't suddenly forgot how to play football, Hughes has just hung him out to dry, the rest of the team are now used to having Allen buzzing about up there so even if Bojan does get on to the pitch, his style is completely different to Allen because he's a real No.10, how do you simply switch 2 such contrasting players freely and effectively? You simply don't Ball at their feet in the final third i would pick Bojan every single time, but because of the way we deploy Allen, we judge Bojan by what Allen brings to the table
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Post by liamo on Jan 28, 2017 22:07:30 GMT
Bojan hasn't suddenly forgot how to play football, Hughes has just hung him out to dry, the rest of the team are now used to having Allen buzzing about up there so even if Bojan does get on to the pitch, his style is completely different to Allen because he's a real No.10, how do you simply switch 2 such contrasting players freely and effectively? You simply don't Ball at their feet in the final third i would pick Bojan every single time, but because of the way we deploy Allen, we judge Bojan by what Allen brings to the table Does Bojan take any responsibility for the situation at all or is it all Hughes? Cause as much as I like Bojan I see a player that looks like a little boy lost at times. Bojan isn't perfect, but he's plenty good enough for Stoke, i'm not saying he's taken every opportunity he's been given and ran with it because he hasn't, like the rest of the team there's plenty of room for improvement, the difference is the rest of the squad isn't dropped from the team for weeks on end for similarly poor performances Bojan needs the players around him to pick up his slack, but what he lacks in engine power he more than makes up in genuine footballing ability, he can take opposition players out of the game with ease, he's just got that bit of potential magic about him but like i said, the players behind him have to cover him defensively and they can't, they should be able to but for whatever reason we've failed to replace Zonz |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 22:09:27 GMT
Stats comparison for what it's worth!?
Allen has 5 goals in 21 appearances with 3 assists.
Bojan has 3 goals in 9 appearances with no assists.
Bojan's previous records are thus:
14/15 - 4 goals in 16 appearances, 1 assist.
15/16 - 7 goals in 27 appearances, 1 assist.
Source of information is Transfermarkt.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 28, 2017 22:19:49 GMT
Allen is categorically not a number 10 , there can be many reasons why management would be prepared to let bojan go but please god the fact we have alien isn't one of them
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 28, 2017 22:20:22 GMT
Does Bojan take any responsibility for the situation at all or is it all Hughes? Cause as much as I like Bojan I see a player that looks like a little boy lost at times. Bojan isn't perfect, but he's plenty good enough for Stoke, i'm not saying he's taken every opportunity he's been given and ran with it because he hasn't, like the rest of the team there's plenty of room for improvement, the difference is the rest of the squad isn't dropped from the team for weeks on end for similarly poor performances Bojan needs the players around him to pick up his slack, but what he lacks in engine power he more than makes up in genuine footballing ability, he can take opposition players out of the game with ease, he's just got that bit of potential magic about him but like i said, the players behind him have to cover him defensively and they can't, they should be able to but for whatever reason we've failed to replace Zonz He potentially brings a shed load more to the team than our record signing that is a fact, if that is what we mean by potential as you rightly point out the biggest issue is the failure to replace Zonz in any way, our scouting system is a joke. |
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jan 28, 2017 22:23:26 GMT
I'am sitting on the fence with this one...Got the full Oatcake regulars out tonight ..So I'am going to keep one's powder dry for now.....Don't feel like being called a deluded Idiot yet !..Save that for another day..😉
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 28, 2017 22:26:06 GMT
I'am sitting on the fence with this one...Got the full Oatcake regulars out tonight ..So I'am going to keep one's powder dry for now.....Don't feel like being called a deluded Idiot yet !..Save that for another day..😉 You will get called a lot worse on here duck, I do everyday  stick to your guns mar mate. |
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jan 28, 2017 22:33:34 GMT
I'am sitting on the fence with this one...Got the full Oatcake regulars out tonight ..So I'am going to keep one's powder dry for now.....Don't feel like being called a deluded Idiot yet !..Save that for another day..😉 You will get called a lot worse on here duck, I do everyday  stick to your guns mar mate. I will be coming out of my shell soon , I promise....Just sizing up the opposition.😉 |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 28, 2017 22:36:46 GMT
I agree Mr Slinger. We just needed a big burly (but mobile) bastard in the middle to help break up play and contribute to the defensive midfield responsibilities. We sign Imbula in the hope of filling that role, but instead he just adds to the queue elsewhere. Hughes then signs Joe (still a good signing but wasn't needed, per se) and shoehorns others out. We leave the fullback and centre-back (in terms of the latter, cover especially) and hope they sort it out amongst themselves, while the queue of real/pseudo no. 10s and attacking midfielders grows ever larger  Meanwhile we have a striker playing wing back, a wing back playing as a third CB, a defensive left back playing wing back, Crouch, Walters or possibly a non match fit SB playing striker and we complained about Pulis hammering square pegs into round holes.   Meanwhile a couple of fixtures coming up against our peers to sort out the race for 7th. Things ain't so disasterous, bigger picture. Some projects yet to come good. Interesting run in afoot mate. Cool yer boots. |
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Post by yamyampotter on Jan 28, 2017 22:50:27 GMT
Don't know why Bojan leaving is causing so much discussion about Hughes. He has been given lots of opportunities this season, and not taken enough of them. His performance against Bournemouth was a turning point for me, offered nothing, couldn't pick a man, looked totally dis interested. Decent contribution from him at his time at the club, but there's a reason he has played for so many clubs in a short amount of time. There's lots of other players who have far more importance to us than Bojan.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 28, 2017 23:11:03 GMT
Is Shawcross after his back injury? Bojan is the most gifted player we've got talent wise and our fans have this "meh" attitude towards Hughes being ok with him being shipped out, how fickle are we? Not only do we lose our only No.10, we lose our ability to play a traditional No.10 at all because Hughes is outsourcing defensive midfield duties to one of our attacking front 4, which is fine if we're switching to a high press system, but we're 10000000000% not fit enough to do that so we need about 7 new players in this window if that's the case.. Players like Bojan are game changers and he doesn't deserve half the shit he gets, Hughes deserves far more shit for failing to bring in a box to box on 3 different occasions V. Ginkel, didn't work for whatever reason (probably £2m loan cost) Imbula, looks like a player, shows no trace of being a box to box (£18m cost) Joe Allen, amazing player, definitely not a box to box (£12m cost) £32MILLION and we still look unbalanced when we play a proper No.10? If i jizzed £300 up the wall on a new fax machine when we needed a new printer i'd be lynched I still think Hughes signed Allen as a Whelan replacement, then realised he's very much a different player. I think you're right. That was about six months after he realized Imbula couldn't play in that position either. The present transfer team has been trying to find a replacement for Whelan for the past 2 and 1/2 seasons and can't find anyone. Is it them or just the fact that there's nobody available in our price range? |
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Post by kustokie on Jan 28, 2017 23:15:43 GMT
Meanwhile we have a striker playing wing back, a wing back playing as a third CB, a defensive left back playing wing back, Crouch, Walters or possibly a non match fit SB playing striker and we complained about Pulis hammering square pegs into round holes. Meanwhile a couple of fixtures coming up against our peers to sort out the race for 7th. Things ain't so disasterous, bigger picture. Some projects yet to come good. Interesting run in afoot mate. Cool yer boots. We might have reached a bit of a tipping point. It is going to be very interesting to see in the next month or so if we can push on or slip back. I think it could go either way and any injuries to players in key positions (especially CH) could be critical. I don't like to think what will happen if we lose Martins Indi. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 23:23:30 GMT
Allen is categorically not a number 10 , there can be many reasons why management would be prepared to let bojan go but please god the fact we have alien isn't one of them ? |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 28, 2017 23:29:06 GMT
Meanwhile a couple of fixtures coming up against our peers to sort out the race for 7th. Things ain't so disasterous, bigger picture. Some projects yet to come good. Interesting run in afoot mate. Cool yer boots. We might have reached a bit of a tipping point. Â It is going to be very interesting to see in the next month or so if we can push on or slip back. Â I think it could go either way and any injuries to players in key positions (especially CH) could be critical. Â I don't like to think what will happen if we lose Martins Indi. Try not to think about it too much then, we've still got Mmmmarc Mmmuniesa. We don't know do we, but I reckon we can all be fairly condidant we're not doomed despite the nuances of squad dynamics. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 28, 2017 23:29:21 GMT
Alien Absolutely superb, that's made me almost not want to have a bath with my own toaster after some of the comments I've read here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 23:29:34 GMT
I still think Hughes signed Allen as a Whelan replacement, then realised he's very much a different player. I think you're right. That was about six months after he realized Imbula couldn't play in that position either. The present transfer team has been trying to find a replacement for Whelan for the past 2 and 1/2 seasons and can't find anyone. Is it them or just the fact that there's nobody available in our price range? In all honesty I think there are very few quality players in that position in any price range. But for our level you'd say the best possibilities are Drinkwater level players. I genuinely can't think of any more that would be a Whelan upgrade that we'd have a slight chance with. The problem being that Whelan has probably 1 season left you'd say, worrying that we can't find anyone. |
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jan 29, 2017 0:16:46 GMT
Allen is categorically not a number 10 , there can be many reasons why management would be prepared to let bojan go but please god the fact we have alien isn't one of them You've been watching Close Encounters too many time If you think Allen is an Alien....Very strange post. |
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 29, 2017 0:19:19 GMT
Emre Can is out of favour at Liverpool & he has history as a decent defensive midfielder?
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Post by werrington on Jan 29, 2017 0:21:04 GMT
Is Shawcross? well almost. most fans fickle? not me just a realist! Bojan a game changer? 2 years ago yes, now no! and we have Shaq and Affelay who can both play number 10! and the rest well that's football management, some you win some you lose! Bojan hasn't suddenly forgot how to play football, Hughes has just hung him out to dry, the rest of the team are now used to having Allen buzzing about up there so even if Bojan does get on to the pitch, his style is completely different to Allen because he's a real No.10, how do you simply switch 2 such contrasting players freely and effectively? You simply don't Ball at their feet in the final third i would pick Bojan every single time, but because of the way we deploy Allen, we judge Bojan by what Allen brings to the table Take a bow mate |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2017 0:36:32 GMT
Rough translation.....Jesé to Las Palmas tomorrow.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 29, 2017 0:44:14 GMT
Rough translation.....Jesé to Las Palmas tomorrow.
It would surely have to be 'on loan' then?
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Post by pottarius on Jan 29, 2017 1:46:15 GMT
Allen is categorically not a number 10 , there can be many reasons why management would be prepared to let bojan go but please god the fact we have alien isn't one of them |
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Post by kustokie on Jan 29, 2017 2:52:02 GMT
We might have reached a bit of a tipping point. It is going to be very interesting to see in the next month or so if we can push on or slip back. I think it could go either way and any injuries to players in key positions (especially CH) could be critical. I don't like to think what will happen if we lose Martins Indi. Try not to think about it too much then, we've still got Mmmmarc Mmmuniesa. We don't know do we, but I reckon we can all be fairly condidant we're not doomed despite the nuances of squad dynamics. Good advice. Ta. |
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 29, 2017 3:23:46 GMT
I'll be sad to see him go.
For a couple of months there he was crazy good & one of the best I have seen in the shirt.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 29, 2017 5:06:23 GMT
Is Shawcross? well almost. most fans fickle? not me just a realist! Bojan a game changer? 2 years ago yes, now no! and we have Shaq and Affelay who can both play number 10! and the rest well that's football management, some you win some you lose! Bojan hasn't suddenly forgot how to play football, Hughes has just hung him out to dry, the rest of the team are now used to having Allen buzzing about up there so even if Bojan does get on to the pitch, his style is completely different to Allen because he's a real No.10, how do you simply switch 2 such contrasting players freely and effectively? You simply don't Ball at their feet in the final third i would pick Bojan every single time, but because of the way we deploy Allen, we judge Bojan by what Allen brings to the table There's still a few things I can remember how to do. The problem is I can't do them anymore. I suspect I wasn't very good at the things I forgot, which is a probably a good thing. Getting auld does have some advantages. |
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Jan 29, 2017 9:08:49 GMT
Surely we would wait and see how/if Bojan and Berahino work in the same team together?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 29, 2017 9:11:12 GMT
Bojan hasn't suddenly forgot how to play football, Hughes has just hung him out to dry, the rest of the team are now used to having Allen buzzing about up there so even if Bojan does get on to the pitch, his style is completely different to Allen because he's a real No.10, how do you simply switch 2 such contrasting players freely and effectively? You simply don't Ball at their feet in the final third i would pick Bojan every single time, but because of the way we deploy Allen, we judge Bojan by what Allen brings to the table There's still a few things I can remember how to do. The problem is I can't do them anymore. I suspect I wasn't very good at the things I forgot, which is a probably a good thing. Getting auld does have some advantages. The older I get the better I was you know! |
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Post by datguy on Jan 29, 2017 10:49:36 GMT
Going to Mainz on loan
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 29, 2017 10:49:42 GMT
Mainz on loan?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 29, 2017 10:51:16 GMT
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stick to your guns mar mate.
 
