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Post by liamo on Jan 28, 2017 12:17:56 GMT
Stoke are an average team.... 3 goals in 9 games (4 off the bench) as a midfielder, Arnie has 3 goals 2 assists in 18 games The Stats don't tell us everything but Bojan hasn't been as bad as people claim, the whole team has had some real shit performances this season and one player doesn't lose us a game Bojan being on the pitch has a knock on effect, as in any midfield 3 of Bojan + 2 defensive midfielders looks piss weak and gets overrun... but not because of Bojan, yet he's the one who has had to make way due to Sparky fucking up and failing to bring in an adequate Zonz replacement Bojan leaving solves nothing, as of the moment Bojan leaves we have ONE option in that No.10 role and it's Allen, amazing player but he's not playing No.10 because he's the second coming of Pele, he's playing there because if he doesn't our (lack of) defensive midfield gets overrun and we get fucked badly, it's why we've only beaten shit teams this season, our midfield has been able to cope with their below average midfielders Doesn't say much for this genius then given that he can't get into the average team you describe. It says an awful lot about the management, Bojan is one of the most gifted players we've ever had at Stoke and we can't fit him in to our team because we've failed to strengthen in key areas... and then we proceed to blame him for it? I support Stoke, but i'm fully behind Bojan leaving, not because we might benefit but because he might
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 28, 2017 12:18:20 GMT
12m+ or its Scholes out and that's being kind on the bean counter as it should be 15 really. We will get what the market dictates.Where does this arbitrary figure of £12 million come from?The situation is such that both parties now favour seperation, so it is not in the interest of either party to prolong it for to long. If there are several teams competing for his signature we will get more obviously. To say that that Scholes needs sacking if we sell him for less than £12 million isn't very fair when you aren't party to what is going on behind the scenes. Hes not long signed a long term contract though mate so WTF should he go unless it's on our terms i.e. The right fee?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2017 12:18:22 GMT
12m+ or its Scholes out and that's being kind on the bean counter as it should be 15 really. We will get what the market dictates.Where does this arbitrary figure of £12 million come from?The situation is such that both parties now favour seperation, so it is not in the interest of either party to prolong it for to long. If there are several teams competing for his signature we will get more obviously. To say that that Scholes needs sacking if we sell him for less than £12 million isn't very fair when you aren't party to what is going on behind the scenes. I couldn't give a shit what's going on behind the scenes. 12m is being fair, I'd want 15m for him. If we can't get that then it's a joke.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 28, 2017 12:21:12 GMT
Doesn't say much for this genius then given that he can't get into the average team you describe. It says more about the manager. The manager gave him every minute of pre season and was rewarded with the most selfish, pathetic performance you could wish to see v Middlesbrough. He then added to that horror show with the most gutless, pathetic performance you could wish to see v palace and was rightly dropped. I think his continued omission from the team says everything about the player to be honest. He's had his chances and he's failed dismally to take them
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jan 28, 2017 12:22:17 GMT
Ross McCormack a 30 year old Championship player..£12 million twice....If we get anything less in today's market then we have been fucked over yet again...
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 28, 2017 12:22:47 GMT
We will get what the market dictates.Where does this arbitrary figure of £12 million come from?The situation is such that both parties now favour seperation, so it is not in the interest of either party to prolong it for to long. If there are several teams competing for his signature we will get more obviously. To say that that Scholes needs sacking if we sell him for less than £12 million isn't very fair when you aren't party to what is going on behind the scenes. I couldn't give a shit what's going on behind the scenes. 12m is being fair, I'd want 15m for him. If we can't get that then it's a joke. No thankfully it's not your job to .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 12:23:04 GMT
If you want Bojan to win 50/50 balls outside of the box then you're mental, t5his guy needs to be pushed forward into the box where his quick feet will either thread the ball in to another player or he will get tackled and get a penalty.
Why we persist on playing him in a position where he has to "Win the Ball" is beyond me and especially since the injury he is quite simply not going to do it.
£10 million and thanks for the memories for a player who has become a luxury in a struggling side that cannot afford to play one.
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Post by fca47 on Jan 28, 2017 12:23:05 GMT
Up until his injury he was our best player by a mile. Not quite sure what the problem is now, he doesn't fit in with a midfield that doesn't tackle ( especially the Wolves game) or with a forward line of Crouch. Whether he will ever get it back I don't know but he has played a lot , since his return, in teams that don't suit him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2017 12:23:33 GMT
I couldn't give a shit what's going on behind the scenes. 12m is being fair, I'd want 15m for him. If we can't get that then it's a joke. No thankfully it's not your job to . No we have a bloke who struggles with it.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 28, 2017 12:23:58 GMT
Only in the figments of your imagination. Just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true. His market value is what someone is prepared to pay for him and unless its China, I can't see anyone paying anything remotely silly. Dave you're having a laugh mate surely?Just look at some of the prices paid for players of late,yesterday for instance Patrick Van Arnholt £14 fuckin million😮If we don't get the price he's worth he should stay and tough it out.The under valuation at our club is SCANDALOUS I'm not having a laugh at all. Clearly no one in the premier league wants him so extracting a fee that is beyond what he is actually worth is like trying to sell ice to eskimo's.
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Post by upthefud on Jan 28, 2017 12:24:45 GMT
The bloke is catagorically not worth £15m.
£6-8m is more realistic.
Since his injury he's only had a handful of good games and he has had chances.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 28, 2017 12:25:35 GMT
We will get what the market dictates.Where does this arbitrary figure of £12 million come from?The situation is such that both parties now favour seperation, so it is not in the interest of either party to prolong it for to long. If there are several teams competing for his signature we will get more obviously. To say that that Scholes needs sacking if we sell him for less than £12 million isn't very fair when you aren't party to what is going on behind the scenes. Hes not long signed a long term contract though mate so WTF should he go unless it's on our terms i.e. The right fee? We can't keep him here if he doesn't want to stay .Legally we could make him stay but when a player is adamant he wants to go invariably he does.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 28, 2017 12:25:54 GMT
Dave you're having a laugh mate surely?Just look at some of the prices paid for players of late,yesterday for instance Patrick Van Arnholt £14 fuckin million😮If we don't get the price he's worth he should stay and tough it out.The under valuation at our club is SCANDALOUS I'm not having a laugh at all. Clearly no one in the premier league wants him so extracting a fee that is beyond what he is actually worth is like trying to sell ice to eskimo's. Then he stays put end of
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 28, 2017 12:26:31 GMT
Hes not long signed a long term contract though mate so WTF should he go unless it's on our terms i.e. The right fee? We can't keep him here if he doesn't want to stay .Legally we could make him stay but when a player is adamant he wants to go invariably he does. We can mate he signed a long term contract 😄
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 28, 2017 12:29:01 GMT
No thankfully it's not your job to . No we have a bloke who struggles with it. I think Mr Coates is a better judge of the competence of his Chief Executive than you as much as it hurts you.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 28, 2017 12:29:50 GMT
What is it with Stoke City fans and transfer fees? It's a mindset I don't get at all.
HE'S NOT WORTH £12MILLION BUT IN THE CURRENT MARKET IT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING FOR HIM.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2017 12:31:36 GMT
No we have a bloke who struggles with it. I think Mr Coates is a better judge of the competence of his Chief Executive than you as much as it hurts you. I think Coates accepts far too much mediocrity at his football club. It does my head in.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2017 12:33:06 GMT
What is it with Stoke City fans and transfer fees? It's a mindset I don't get at all. HE'S NOT WORTH £12MILLION BUT IN THE CURRENT MARKET IT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING FOR HIM. Yup. It's a mindset that besmirches the area I think and correlates to why the area is how it is. Accept it because that's how it is. That doesn't sit well with me.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 28, 2017 12:33:19 GMT
We can't keep him here if he doesn't want to stay .Legally we could make him stay but when a player is adamant he wants to go invariably he does. We can mate he signed a long term contract 😄 He wants game time we can't give him and we can't afford to have an unhappy player kicking his heels when we could be cashing in on him.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 28, 2017 12:37:30 GMT
We can mate he signed a long term contract 😄 He wants game time we can't give him and we can't afford to have an unhappy player kicking his heels when we could be cashing in on him. Disagree mate but all about opinions😄
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 12:37:48 GMT
Hes not long signed a long term contract though mate so WTF should he go unless it's on our terms i.e. The right fee? We can't keep him here if he doesn't want to stay .Legally we could make him stay but when a player is adamant he wants to go invariably he does. You're phantasizing about some player you think wants to leave. According to the manager Bojan has not expressed any desire to leave, though obviously he's not happy with being out.
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Post by liamo on Jan 28, 2017 12:38:10 GMT
The bloke is catagorically not worth £15m. £6-8m is more realistic. Since his injury he's only had a handful of good games and he has had chances. Since the second half of last season, Stoke have only had a handful of good games as a whole.. in fact our best football under Hughes has involved Bojan post injury, we just never expected a No.10 to track back and win the ball back in our own penalty area back then He's been scapegoated, although if we do get decent money for him it'll put a dent in the £30m we spent on 2 players that can't do the job we bought them to do
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 28, 2017 12:38:35 GMT
15 million for a player we deem not good enough?
Some of you don't understand negotiating.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2017 12:39:41 GMT
15 million for a player we deem not good enough? Some of you don't understand negotiating. We just bought one for 14m......
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 28, 2017 12:40:38 GMT
What is it with Stoke City fans and transfer fees? It's a mindset I don't get at all. HE'S NOT WORTH £12MILLION BUT IN THE CURRENT MARKET IT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING FOR HIM. Yup. It's a mindset that besmirches the area I think and correlates to why the area is how it is. Accept it because that's how it is. That doesn't sit well with me. Oh Ok Mr Merton.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 28, 2017 12:42:41 GMT
15 million for a player we deem not good enough? Some of you don't understand negotiating. We just bought one for 14m...... We'll get nowhere near that amount for Bojan. It's blindingly obvious. He's surplus to requirements. Buyers will be well aware of that. We either have a realistic fee in mind, or we keep him.
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Post by wuzza on Jan 28, 2017 12:43:28 GMT
Supply and demand - demand amongst the 'monied' clubs is probably not high so if we are determined to sell the fee we get won't be high either - £10 million is probably ambitious.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 12:44:04 GMT
I think that says more about Palace and Allardyce! Maybe so mate but it's yet another example of a club getting transfer fees for players that our club can only dream of I'm not disagreeing with you. I think it's a poor example in this instance. Allardyce obviously has the hots for him and Palace are panicking.
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Post by liamo on Jan 28, 2017 12:44:09 GMT
We just bought one for 14m...... We'll get nowhere near that amount for Bojan. It's blindingly obvious. He's surplus to requirements. Buyers will be well aware of that. We either have a realistic fee in mind, or we keep him. We spent £18m on Imbula who was surplus, £12m on Allen who was Surplus, £12m on Shaqiri who was surplus We always buy surplus and look at the fees we pay
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2017 12:44:17 GMT
We just bought one for 14m...... We'll get nowhere near that amount for Bojan. It's blindingly obvious. He's surplus to requirements. Buyers will be well aware of that. We either have a realistic fee in mind, or we keep him. It is because we have a poor ceo. WBA had a player they didn't want with 6 months left on his contract and got 14m for him. It kind of shows you're chatting shir with your point.
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