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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 4, 2017 9:26:48 GMT
The only thing Hughes 'resorted to' last night, was winning a game of football fairly easily. The agendas on this thread surpass anything witnessed on here this century. No agenda.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 9:28:24 GMT
I actually didn't celebrate the goal in anyway shape or form. Just sat there in disbelief of how actual wank we and they are. Looks like 22 lads from the local pub have turned up for a match! I'm going to be honest, I did celebrate the goal (in fact both of them). Then again, I'd celebrate a goal if it went in off Walters's hairy bum crack from a Grant lob. Call myself a supporter!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 4, 2017 9:34:19 GMT
Agendas against certain players Agendas against managers past and current Agendas spouting from being proved wrong pre match
Any more for any more?
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 4, 2017 9:37:21 GMT
Agendas against certain players Agendas against managers past and current Agendas spouting from being proved wrong pre match Any more for any more? Pre match I said it was a shit line up but I expected us to still win and paper over the cracks. I think that summary is spot on.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 4, 2017 9:40:51 GMT
I'm happy we won. I'm disappointed in how shit we played, particularly in the first half.
Is that such an awful opinion? does that mean I have an agenda?
The only ray of light I've got is the fact Diouf leaving for the ACON will hopefully mean we revert to our normal formation with Afellay coming into the team.
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Post by 'i'mnaked' on Jan 4, 2017 9:43:28 GMT
3 points. All that matters.
If you want entertainment stick Barcelona on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 10:19:42 GMT
I think anybody would struggle to make a coherent case to suggest Hughes knows what he's doing right now, and the longterm direction he's taken us into. He's spent around £40m or £50m on players and doesn't appear to know what to do with them whatsoever. And if you put the big money signings to one side, you've got the free transfers, lower fee and loan players he's added who all appear surplus to requirement. Imbula - 18 mill. On the bench or not even in the squad Shaqiri - 15 mill. In and out of the team. Often at the expense of Walters. Ramadan - the 5 mill wonderkid. On the bench or not even in the squad. Sometimes at the expense of Walters Joselu - 5 mill. Bit part player then shipped out on loan. Diouf - the centre forward he chased for 18 months. Played out wide, then dropped before finding his place at right wing back Bojan - into the wilderness Muniesa - see above Bony - as above Haugard - Jesus fucking wept Tex - won a raffle If that guy knocked on your door asking for more money, you'd be tempted to tell him to utilise the assets he's already acquired first. And then there's the football. It's regressed to dull as dishwater. All entertainment is gone. We only appear capable of beating poor sides. And even then we're too negative to actually try and kill the game and get the 3rd or 4th goals. Something dramatic needs to change over the next 5 months. Absolutely spot on. Cannot argue with that one bit.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 4, 2017 11:08:03 GMT
I couldn't be bothered to get out of my seat when shawcross scored. It was the worst first half I've seen in a long time. I was in concourse I had completely lost the will to live with the first half.
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Post by MilanStokie on Jan 4, 2017 11:18:34 GMT
8 of the worst pages in the history of the Oatcake on 1 of the worst threads in the history of the Oatcake.
That pretty much sums up last night on here.
The bottom line I got from it all was that the majority of people here would be unhappy if we won the Premier League with performances like last night and people would be happy if we got relegated playing sublime footy.
Some of you really need to calm down and just reflect on where we have come from in the last 20 years. We have had an upward curve of progression for the best part of 2 decades. It just can't continue that way. Sometimes we will step back.
Hughes has made mistakes and it is correct to be concerned when things aren't going well. He has bought players that he just isn't happy with. IMO, I personally don't think it is a matter of not trusting them, but their attitudes stink.
Bojan doesn't play and starts stamping his feet.
Shaqiri throws a hissy fit every single time he is subbed off.
Imbula, when on the pitch, literally looks like he has just woken up, showing complete disinterest.
Now, Hughes has to take responsibility for their performance, but their attitude is 100% down to them. If he has dropped because of this, then fair fucking play. I have wanted so much for Bojan and Shaqiri to succeed but it is down to them to make it happen.
Last night, I saw people moaning about substitutes being negative. What I saw was a manager who had recently seen his team lose a 2-0 lead late on and made substitutes capable closing players down and keeping hold of the ball. We didn't need to dick Watford 5-0, it was enough to get 3 points.
Some games you have to win ugly. I seriously think some people preferred losing 4-2 to Chelsea than grabbing a massively important 3 points at this stage of the season. For me, last night meant we are more likely to be battling for 7th than batting to stay up so I can take a poor performance and 3 points for that to happen, EVERY SINGLE TIME.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 11:27:24 GMT
8 of the worst pages in the history of the Oatcake on 1 of the worst threads in the history of the Oatcake. That pretty much sums up last night on here. The bottom line I got from it all was that the majority of people here would be unhappy if we won the Premier League with performances like last night and people would be happy if we got relegated playing sublime footy. Some of you really need to calm down and just reflect on where we have come from in the last 20 years. We have had an upward curve of progression for the best part of 2 decades. It just can't continue that way. Sometimes we will step back. Hughes has made mistakes and it is correct to be concerned when things aren't going well. He has bought players that he just isn't happy with. IMO, I personally don't think it is a matter of not trusting them, but their attitudes stink. Bojan doesn't play and starts stamping his feet. Shaqiri throws a hissy fit every single time he is subbed off. Imbula, when on the pitch, literally looks like he has just woken up, showing complete disinterest. Now, Hughes has to take responsibility for their performance, but their attitude is 100% down to them. If he has dropped because of this, then fair fucking play. I have wanted so much for Bojan and Shaqiri to succeed but it is down to them to make it happen. Last night, I saw people moaning about substitutes being negative. What I saw was a manager who had recently seen his team lose a 2-0 lead late on and made substitutes capable closing players down and keeping hold of the ball. We didn't need to dick Watford 5-0, it was enough to get 3 points. Some games you have to win ugly. I seriously think some people preferred losing 4-2 to Chelsea than grabbing a massively important 3 points at this stage of the season. For me, last night meant we are more likely to be battling for 7th than batting to stay up so I can take a poor performance and 3 points for that to happen, EVERY SINGLE TIME. Ahh yes the look where we come from argument. Usually bought up by those who really lack any ambition and are just happy to be here regardless how much we have spent. It was a dire game along with a dire 2016 where more money has been sent and we are going backwards. It's almost like a carbon copy of Pulis' end here, the football is equally grim.
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Post by alster on Jan 4, 2017 11:27:32 GMT
8 of the worst pages in the history of the Oatcake on 1 of the worst threads in the history of the Oatcake. That pretty much sums up last night on here. The bottom line I got from it all was that the majority of people here would be unhappy if we won the Premier League with performances like last night and people would be happy if we got relegated playing sublime footy. Some of you really need to calm down and just reflect on where we have come from in the last 20 years. We have had an upward curve of progression for the best part of 2 decades. It just can't continue that way. Sometimes we will step back. Hughes has made mistakes and it is correct to be concerned when things aren't going well. He has bought players that he just isn't happy with. IMO, I personally don't think it is a matter of not trusting them, but their attitudes stink. Bojan doesn't play and starts stamping his feet. Shaqiri throws a hissy fit every single time he is subbed off. Imbula, when on the pitch, literally looks like he has just woken up, showing complete disinterest. Now, Hughes has to take responsibility for their performance, but their attitude is 100% down to them. If he has dropped because of this, then fair fucking play. I have wanted so much for Bojan and Shaqiri to succeed but it is down to them to make it happen. Last night, I saw people moaning about substitutes being negative. What I saw was a manager who had recently seen his team lose a 2-0 lead late on and made substitutes capable closing players down and keeping hold of the ball. We didn't need to dick Watford 5-0, it was enough to get 3 points. Some games you have to win ugly. I seriously think some people preferred losing 4-2 to Chelsea than grabbing a massively important 3 points at this stage of the season. For me, last night meant we are more likely to be battling for 7th than batting to stay up so I can take a poor performance and 3 points for that to happen, EVERY SINGLE TIME. Thats your perogative but judging by the state of the stadium by the time I left theres an awful lot of people who don't agree. What you need to understand is that people with your viewpoint will turn up regardless, people who have an expectation of being entertained by watching good football won't. The football on offer barring a short spell just over a year ago has been fairly uninspiring for a season and a half over. Hughes was bought in to win those people over and he did but he's losing us fast.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 4, 2017 11:29:41 GMT
8 of the worst pages in the history of the Oatcake on 1 of the worst threads in the history of the Oatcake. That pretty much sums up last night on here. The bottom line I got from it all was that the majority of people here would be unhappy if we won the Premier League with performances like last night and people would be happy if we got relegated playing sublime footy. Some of you really need to calm down and just reflect on where we have come from in the last 20 years. We have had an upward curve of progression for the best part of 2 decades. It just can't continue that way. Sometimes we will step back. Hughes has made mistakes and it is correct to be concerned when things aren't going well. He has bought players that he just isn't happy with. IMO, I personally don't think it is a matter of not trusting them, but their attitudes stink. Bojan doesn't play and starts stamping his feet. Shaqiri throws a hissy fit every single time he is subbed off. Imbula, when on the pitch, literally looks like he has just woken up, showing complete disinterest. Now, Hughes has to take responsibility for their performance, but their attitude is 100% down to them. If he has dropped because of this, then fair fucking play. I have wanted so much for Bojan and Shaqiri to succeed but it is down to them to make it happen. Last night, I saw people moaning about substitutes being negative. What I saw was a manager who had recently seen his team lose a 2-0 lead late on and made substitutes capable closing players down and keeping hold of the ball. We didn't need to dick Watford 5-0, it was enough to get 3 points. Some games you have to win ugly. I seriously think some people preferred losing 4-2 to Chelsea than grabbing a massively important 3 points at this stage of the season. For me, last night meant we are more likely to be battling for 7th than batting to stay up so I can take a poor performance and 3 points for that to happen, EVERY SINGLE TIME. Thats your perogative but judging by the state of the stadium by the time I left theres an awful lot of people who don't agree. What you need to understand is that people with your viewpoint will turn up regardless, people who have an expectation of being entertained by watching good football won't. The football on offer barring a short spell just over a year ago has been fairly uninspiring for a season and a half over. Hughes was bought in to win those people over and he did but he's losing us fast. 'Tony Mowbray's red and white army, Tony Mowbray's red and white army'
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Post by roostershair on Jan 4, 2017 11:32:11 GMT
If you want entertainment fuck off down the Vale!
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 4, 2017 11:35:08 GMT
Bringing on Afellay was a great substitution and Whelan coming on made sense. Got his subs right this time after recent heavy criticism?
And Afellay, what a joy to watch, a brilliant player!!
Delighted for him after such a long term injury, others could also learn from his attitude.
Skilful, composed and doggedly determined, a couple more like him and we'd be top 6
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Post by MilanStokie on Jan 4, 2017 11:36:31 GMT
8 of the worst pages in the history of the Oatcake on 1 of the worst threads in the history of the Oatcake. That pretty much sums up last night on here. The bottom line I got from it all was that the majority of people here would be unhappy if we won the Premier League with performances like last night and people would be happy if we got relegated playing sublime footy. Some of you really need to calm down and just reflect on where we have come from in the last 20 years. We have had an upward curve of progression for the best part of 2 decades. It just can't continue that way. Sometimes we will step back. Hughes has made mistakes and it is correct to be concerned when things aren't going well. He has bought players that he just isn't happy with. IMO, I personally don't think it is a matter of not trusting them, but their attitudes stink. Bojan doesn't play and starts stamping his feet. Shaqiri throws a hissy fit every single time he is subbed off. Imbula, when on the pitch, literally looks like he has just woken up, showing complete disinterest. Now, Hughes has to take responsibility for their performance, but their attitude is 100% down to them. If he has dropped because of this, then fair fucking play. I have wanted so much for Bojan and Shaqiri to succeed but it is down to them to make it happen. Last night, I saw people moaning about substitutes being negative. What I saw was a manager who had recently seen his team lose a 2-0 lead late on and made substitutes capable closing players down and keeping hold of the ball. We didn't need to dick Watford 5-0, it was enough to get 3 points. Some games you have to win ugly. I seriously think some people preferred losing 4-2 to Chelsea than grabbing a massively important 3 points at this stage of the season. For me, last night meant we are more likely to be battling for 7th than batting to stay up so I can take a poor performance and 3 points for that to happen, EVERY SINGLE TIME. Thats your perogative but judging by the state of the stadium by the time I left theres an awful lot of people who don't agree. What you need to understand is that people with your viewpoint will turn up regardless, people who have an expectation of being entertained by watching good football won't. The football on offer barring a short spell just over a year ago has been fairly uninspiring for a season and a half over. Hughes was bought in to win those people over and he did but he's losing us fast. And the day Stoke City get relegated and return to 15,000 supporters again will be due to 10,000 supporters refusing to go because the football isn't pretty. The word "support" by definition should mean that you get behind your team no matter what. As I said, being concerned is 1 thing and people can express that but last night was wayyyyyyy OTT.
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Post by jonnybravo on Jan 4, 2017 11:38:04 GMT
3 points. All that matters. If you want entertainment stick Barcelona on. Or go to the circus
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Post by liamo on Jan 4, 2017 11:43:48 GMT
I'm glad we won, 3 points is always a good result but it was an ok performance against a completely shit Watford side completely ravaged by injury, i'm happy we won but that team is the footballing equivalent of treading water, for the most part Hughes has improved us and moved us forward with decent football and decent results but after so many games in charge we're now back to square one
It's not all Hughes' fault, his substitutions are baffling and this wingback setup is annoying but a lot of the blame has to fall on the players, it's like they turned up to training one day and forgot what Hughes wanted from them, do we really think Bojan and Shaq would be on the bench if Hughes thought they would put a performance in? I think they should play and see if they can get some form but they've been very underwhelming as of late and I can see why Hughes has done what he's done
He's in a bit of a catch 22 which he's kind of brought on himself, 4-2-3-1 is our best formation but it can't be done properly without a Zonz type player which he's tried to sort, V.Ginkel, Imbula and then Allen, V. Ginkel just never settled, Imbula just doesn't defend and Allen has realised he's bargain Bucket Welsh Messi, for what it's worth I think now we've got Afellay back we should switch back to that 4-2-3-1 with Bojan up top and Shaq back in, give them the kick up the arse they need and if that fails it's time to make some serious decisions in the summer
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Post by alster on Jan 4, 2017 11:45:10 GMT
Thats your perogative but judging by the state of the stadium by the time I left theres an awful lot of people who don't agree. What you need to understand is that people with your viewpoint will turn up regardless, people who have an expectation of being entertained by watching good football won't. The football on offer barring a short spell just over a year ago has been fairly uninspiring for a season and a half over. Hughes was bought in to win those people over and he did but he's losing us fast. And the day Stoke City get relegated and return to 15,000 supporters again will be due to 10,000 supporters refusing to go because the football isn't pretty. The word "support" by definition should mean that you get behind your team no matter what. As I said, being concerned is 1 thing and people can express that but last night was wayyyyyyy OTT. We're about to increase capacity to about 30,000 I'm sure the owners don't want to see half the seats empty because the product is crap. I have favorite pubs and restaurants too but if the consistently serve me crap I wouldn't bear with them for 18 months. So that's 15,000 of us you can play that I'm a better fan than you bollox to your hearts content, I'm a Stoke City fan I'll be one until the day I die. That doesn't mean they can keep feeding me tripe and expect me to swallow I'm a Human with a mind of my own not a dog.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 4, 2017 11:46:00 GMT
The only thing Hughes 'resorted to' last night, was winning a game of football fairly easily. The agendas on this thread surpass anything witnessed on here this century. Can I ask you what you think my agenda might be? I've defended Hughes to the hilt. I've defended our recent performances to the hilt. I defended the end of last season to the hilt and I defended the start of this season to the hilt. I thought last night was abysmal. I was disappointed when I saw the team sheet and that team went on to produce exactly the type of performance I expected of them. It was utter dross. Devoid of personality, quality, pace and anything remotely resembling decent football. Only when we reverted to a back 4 and bought Afellay on did we resemble anything like a football team. Field that team and play exactly the same way at Sunderland and we will get beat. Field that team and play exactly the same way v Manure and they will absolutely destroy us. I can accept bad performances no problem at all. It happens. I can even accept last night if it is a one off. If that were to become the norm, I'd want Hughes out. I honestly couldn't watch that type of shit everyweek. A very well heard phrase we've heard numerous times before, but honestly, I'd rather stop going that watch that every week. It was shocking and at times the only entertainment came courtesy of laughing at just how bad it was. Afellay's superb cross that Crouch mis-headed sideways, right into Walters path who then missed the easiest of easy chances. Two comedy gold moments in the space of 2 seconds. The Walters "let it run across my body" moment in the first half where he did exactly that and then chased the ball into touch because having not performed what he wanted to do properly he was then too bloody slow to even chase the ball down and stop it going out for a thrown in. It was laughable. It really was.
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Post by jarhead on Jan 4, 2017 11:47:49 GMT
8 of the worst pages in the history of the Oatcake on 1 of the worst threads in the history of the Oatcake. That pretty much sums up last night on here. The bottom line I got from it all was that the majority of people here would be unhappy if we won the Premier League with performances like last night and people would be happy if we got relegated playing sublime footy. Some of you really need to calm down and just reflect on where we have come from in the last 20 years. We have had an upward curve of progression for the best part of 2 decades. It just can't continue that way. Sometimes we will step back. Hughes has made mistakes and it is correct to be concerned when things aren't going well. He has bought players that he just isn't happy with. IMO, I personally don't think it is a matter of not trusting them, but their attitudes stink. Bojan doesn't play and starts stamping his feet. Shaqiri throws a hissy fit every single time he is subbed off. Imbula, when on the pitch, literally looks like he has just woken up, showing complete disinterest. Now, Hughes has to take responsibility for their performance, but their attitude is 100% down to them. If he has dropped because of this, then fair fucking play. I have wanted so much for Bojan and Shaqiri to succeed but it is down to them to make it happen. Last night, I saw people moaning about substitutes being negative. What I saw was a manager who had recently seen his team lose a 2-0 lead late on and made substitutes capable closing players down and keeping hold of the ball. We didn't need to dick Watford 5-0, it was enough to get 3 points. Some games you have to win ugly. I seriously think some people preferred losing 4-2 to Chelsea than grabbing a massively important 3 points at this stage of the season. For me, last night meant we are more likely to be battling for 7th than batting to stay up so I can take a poor performance and 3 points for that to happen, EVERY SINGLE TIME. Superbly put Milan The shit spouted on here after a comfortable 2-0 WIN is fucking unbelievable and embarrassing.
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Post by MilanStokie on Jan 4, 2017 11:48:59 GMT
8 of the worst pages in the history of the Oatcake on 1 of the worst threads in the history of the Oatcake. That pretty much sums up last night on here. The bottom line I got from it all was that the majority of people here would be unhappy if we won the Premier League with performances like last night and people would be happy if we got relegated playing sublime footy. Some of you really need to calm down and just reflect on where we have come from in the last 20 years. We have had an upward curve of progression for the best part of 2 decades. It just can't continue that way. Sometimes we will step back. Hughes has made mistakes and it is correct to be concerned when things aren't going well. He has bought players that he just isn't happy with. IMO, I personally don't think it is a matter of not trusting them, but their attitudes stink. Bojan doesn't play and starts stamping his feet. Shaqiri throws a hissy fit every single time he is subbed off. Imbula, when on the pitch, literally looks like he has just woken up, showing complete disinterest. Now, Hughes has to take responsibility for their performance, but their attitude is 100% down to them. If he has dropped because of this, then fair fucking play. I have wanted so much for Bojan and Shaqiri to succeed but it is down to them to make it happen. Last night, I saw people moaning about substitutes being negative. What I saw was a manager who had recently seen his team lose a 2-0 lead late on and made substitutes capable closing players down and keeping hold of the ball. We didn't need to dick Watford 5-0, it was enough to get 3 points. Some games you have to win ugly. I seriously think some people preferred losing 4-2 to Chelsea than grabbing a massively important 3 points at this stage of the season. For me, last night meant we are more likely to be battling for 7th than batting to stay up so I can take a poor performance and 3 points for that to happen, EVERY SINGLE TIME. Ahh yes the look where we come from argument. Usually bought up by those who really lack any ambition and are just happy to be here regardless how much we have spent. It was a dire game along with a dire 2016 where more money has been sent and we are going backwards. It's almost like a carbon copy of Pulis' end here, the football is equally grim. With all due respect, that is rubbish. People can be ambitious but realistic. Expecting to progress every single time and complain at every negative aspect is delusional. Although I am confused why you focused on that part of my reply. My idea was that the win is more important than the performance, yet you are suggestion my mindset lacks ambition...
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Post by MilanStokie on Jan 4, 2017 11:51:15 GMT
And the day Stoke City get relegated and return to 15,000 supporters again will be due to 10,000 supporters refusing to go because the football isn't pretty. The word "support" by definition should mean that you get behind your team no matter what. As I said, being concerned is 1 thing and people can express that but last night was wayyyyyyy OTT. We're about to increase capacity to about 30,000 I'm sure the owners don't want to see half the seats empty because the product is crap. I have favorite pubs and restaurants too but if the consistently serve me crap I wouldn't bear with them for 18 months. So that's 15,000 of us you can play that I'm a better fan than you bollox to your hearts content, I'm a Stoke City fan I'll be one until the day I die. That doesn't mean they can keep feeding me tripe and expect me to swallow I'm a Human with a mind of my own not a dog. Ok so basically you are agreeing with what I am saying then. There needs to be a balance. But there are times where the points have to become more important. For example, come May on gameweek 38, we need 3 points to stay in the league, are you going to be jumping up and down if we don't do it in a pretty way?
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Post by pez75 on Jan 4, 2017 11:51:20 GMT
It wasn't particularly pretty but I'm dumbfounded as to what was lucky about tonight. Was it the 13 shots to 6, the 55% posession to their 45% or that they didn't score a goal from their massive two shots on target? We played a shit team. All our results come against shit team. It's what make Hughes thinks he's getting it right. The second we play a half decent team we get beat. Look at who we have beat over the past 12 months. Beating shit teams is papering over the cracks. A goal off a shin will delude Hughes for a few more weeks now. Utter bullshit. WBA are currently 8th & winning plenty of plaudits by only beating "shit" teams. Its the bread & butter of any league campaign. If we could consistently beat the decent teams in this divison we would be in the top 4 you fucking tool.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 4, 2017 11:52:32 GMT
Thats your perogative but judging by the state of the stadium by the time I left theres an awful lot of people who don't agree. What you need to understand is that people with your viewpoint will turn up regardless, people who have an expectation of being entertained by watching good football won't. The football on offer barring a short spell just over a year ago has been fairly uninspiring for a season and a half over. Hughes was bought in to win those people over and he did but he's losing us fast. And the day Stoke City get relegated and return to 15,000 supporters again will be due to 10,000 supporters refusing to go because the football isn't pretty. The word "support" by definition should mean that you get behind your team no matter what. As I said, being concerned is 1 thing and people can express that but last night was wayyyyyyy OTT. But if we've (as you've pointed out) only got 15,000 hardcore supporters, then surely you have to offer something more to get the extra 10,000 in? Just saying that they SHOULD be better supporters doesn't actually achieve anything.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 4, 2017 11:53:32 GMT
The only thing Hughes 'resorted to' last night, was winning a game of football fairly easily. The agendas on this thread surpass anything witnessed on here this century. Can I ask you what you think my agenda might be? I've defended Hughes to the hilt. I've defended our recent performances to the hilt. I defended the end of last season to the hilt and I defended the start of this season to the hilt. I thought last night was abysmal. I was disappointed when I saw the team sheet and that team went on to produce exactly the type of performance I expected of them. It was utter dross. Devoid of personality, quality, pace and anything remotely resembling decent football. Only when we reverted to a back 4 and bought Afellay on did we resemble anything like a football team. Field that team and play exactly the same way at Sunderland and we will get beat. Field that team and play exactly the same way v Manure and they will absolutely destroy us. I can accept bad performances no problem at all. It happens. I can even accept last night if it is a one off. If that were to become the norm, I'd want Hughes out. I honestly couldn't watch that type of shit everyweek. A very well heard phrase we've heard numerous times before, but honestly, I'd rather stop going that watch that every week. It was shocking and at times the only entertainment came courtesy of laughing at just how bad it was. Afellay's superb cross that Crouch mis-headed sideways, right into Walters path who then missed the easiest of easy chances. Two comedy gold moments in the space of 2 seconds. The Walters "let it run across my body" moment in the first half where he did exactly that and then chased the ball into touch because having not performed what he wanted to do properly he was then too bloody slow to even chase the ball down and stop it going out for a thrown in. It was laughable. It really was. I think you’ve just admitted your own agenda their dave, haven’t you? You’ve defended Hughes ‘to the hilt’ after performances far more abject than that in the past but because we got an easy win with players you’ve been slating for years in a way that had a whiff of direct football about it, it’s now apparently the time for toys out of the pram.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2017 11:55:27 GMT
The only thing Hughes 'resorted to' last night, was winning a game of football fairly easily. The agendas on this thread surpass anything witnessed on here this century. Can I ask you what you think my agenda might be? I've defended Hughes to the hilt. I've defended our recent performances to the hilt. I defended the end of last season to the hilt and I defended the start of this season to the hilt. I thought last night was abysmal. I was disappointed when I saw the team sheet and that team went on to produce exactly the type of performance I expected of them. It was utter dross. Devoid of personality, quality, pace and anything remotely resembling decent football. Only when we reverted to a back 4 and bought Afellay on did we resemble anything like a football team. Field that team and play exactly the same way at Sunderland and we will get beat. Field that team and play exactly the same way v Manure and they will absolutely destroy us. I can accept bad performances no problem at all. It happens. I can even accept last night if it is a one off. If that were to become the norm, I'd want Hughes out. I honestly couldn't watch that type of shit everyweek. A very well heard phrase we've heard numerous times before, but honestly, I'd rather stop going that watch that every week. It was shocking and at times the only entertainment came courtesy of laughing at just how bad it was. Afellay's superb cross that Crouch mis-headed sideways, right into Walters path who then missed the easiest of easy chances. Two comedy gold moments in the space of 2 seconds. The Walters "let it run across my body" moment in the first half where he did exactly that and then chased the ball into touch because having not performed what he wanted to do properly he was then too bloody slow to even chase the ball down and stop it going out for a thrown in. It was laughable. It really was. I forgot about that bit where Walters let it run across his body. I went fucking mental. What was he thinking?
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Post by MilanStokie on Jan 4, 2017 11:55:42 GMT
The only thing Hughes 'resorted to' last night, was winning a game of football fairly easily. The agendas on this thread surpass anything witnessed on here this century. Can I ask you what you think my agenda might be? I've defended Hughes to the hilt. I've defended our recent performances to the hilt. I defended the end of last season to the hilt and I defended the start of this season to the hilt. I thought last night was abysmal. I was disappointed when I saw the team sheet and that team went on to produce exactly the type of performance I expected of them. It was utter dross. Devoid of personality, quality, pace and anything remotely resembling decent football. Only when we reverted to a back 4 and bought Afellay on did we resemble anything like a football team. Field that team and play exactly the same way at Sunderland and we will get beat. Field that team and play exactly the same way v Manure and they will absolutely destroy us. I can accept bad performances no problem at all. It happens. I can even accept last night if it is a one off. If that were to become the norm, I'd want Hughes out. I honestly couldn't watch that type of shit everyweek. A very well heard phrase we've heard numerous times before, but honestly, I'd rather stop going that watch that every week. It was shocking and at times the only entertainment came courtesy of laughing at just how bad it was. Afellay's superb cross that Crouch mis-headed sideways, right into Walters path who then missed the easiest of easy chances. Two comedy gold moments in the space of 2 seconds. The Walters "let it run across my body" moment in the first half where he did exactly that and then chased the ball into touch because having not performed what he wanted to do properly he was then too bloody slow to even chase the ball down and stop it going out for a thrown in. It was laughable. It really was. The end of your reply is the most important part for me. No one "wants" the performances to continue. Last night was a 1 off. Weren't people just saying how better we were at Chelsea only days before? The result was key last night, it was almost our first 6 pointer. It defines where the 2nd half of the season will be for the team (fighting for 7th rather than relegation). Hughes even said so in his post match.
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 4, 2017 11:57:34 GMT
Mark Hughes would have had only one objective last night and that would have been three points, if that meant playing ugly so be it. Although most of us don't think relegation is a threat the Stoke Board I imagine would be deeply concerned about even the remote possibilty of it, money has been spent and long contracts handed out, it would be a massive financial problem if Stoke were to go down. It's likely that if Hughes is feeling pressure he's feeling it more from the Board than the fans, in my opinion.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 4, 2017 11:58:12 GMT
Can I ask you what you think my agenda might be? I've defended Hughes to the hilt. I've defended our recent performances to the hilt. I defended the end of last season to the hilt and I defended the start of this season to the hilt. I thought last night was abysmal. I was disappointed when I saw the team sheet and that team went on to produce exactly the type of performance I expected of them. It was utter dross. Devoid of personality, quality, pace and anything remotely resembling decent football. Only when we reverted to a back 4 and bought Afellay on did we resemble anything like a football team. Field that team and play exactly the same way at Sunderland and we will get beat. Field that team and play exactly the same way v Manure and they will absolutely destroy us. I can accept bad performances no problem at all. It happens. I can even accept last night if it is a one off. If that were to become the norm, I'd want Hughes out. I honestly couldn't watch that type of shit everyweek. A very well heard phrase we've heard numerous times before, but honestly, I'd rather stop going that watch that every week. It was shocking and at times the only entertainment came courtesy of laughing at just how bad it was. Afellay's superb cross that Crouch mis-headed sideways, right into Walters path who then missed the easiest of easy chances. Two comedy gold moments in the space of 2 seconds. The Walters "let it run across my body" moment in the first half where he did exactly that and then chased the ball into touch because having not performed what he wanted to do properly he was then too bloody slow to even chase the ball down and stop it going out for a thrown in. It was laughable. It really was. I think you’ve just admitted your own agenda their dave, haven’t you? You’ve defended Hughes ‘to the hilt’ after performances far more abject than that in the past but because we got an easy win with players you’ve been slating for years in a way that had a whiff of direct football about it, it’s now apparently the time for toys out of the pram. No toys out of the pram from me. It was shit. I've never done anything other than call it as I see it. I've no problem with direct football either. None at all. We weren't direct last night though. We were garbage and it was a "nothing" performance. A great game to watch on teletext but not so great to sit and watch in a freezing stadium. As I say, field that team and play that way v Sunderland and we will lose. I was delighted with the 3 points but absolutely not with the performance. We'd pick up more points playing the way we did v Chelsea and Liverpool than we would playing the way we did last night.
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Post by MilanStokie on Jan 4, 2017 11:59:00 GMT
And the day Stoke City get relegated and return to 15,000 supporters again will be due to 10,000 supporters refusing to go because the football isn't pretty. The word "support" by definition should mean that you get behind your team no matter what. As I said, being concerned is 1 thing and people can express that but last night was wayyyyyyy OTT. But if we've (as you've pointed out) only got 15,000 hardcore supporters, then surely you have to offer something more to get the extra 10,000 in? Just saying that they SHOULD be better supporters doesn't actually achieve anything. I get both sides of the argument Paul, but whilst playing ugly stuff will eventually turn some fans away, relegation is a guarantee of almost halving our attendances. It isn't as simple as saying do you prefer relegation with good football, or staying up with poor football. Everyone surely wants a balance. Last night wasn't great, but we won. It was a 1 off as I don't recall in 3 years wit Hughes where we have played this way. I just think he didn't want another Leicester type situation of throwing away a home game against a team in and around us, where we are comfortably winning. I will take that.
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