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Post by senojbor on Jan 3, 2017 23:34:46 GMT
What don't Stoke supporters like about winning? This is the kind of utter fucking drivel mentality we had a few years ago. After a really poor run of results we needed to get back to winning and we ground out a result Better finishing and we could have won 5-0 If it's thrills and spills you want go to the circus
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Post by redwhite on Jan 3, 2017 23:34:48 GMT
Shit I forgot that choosing not to refer to the stadium by its awful new name made me stupid. Which sides have been worse? If football was actually only about results, 27,500 would turn up to the Bet 365 Stadium ( ) every week to watch a scoreboard for 90 minutes decide a random allocation of points and jump around in joy. That's not how football works though is it? 3 points is great and if this had been the FA cup final and we'd have won in that manner I'd have been over the moon. But it's a continuation of a trend of strange decisions and that's why I find it worrying. We play like that long term, we're going down. We were blessed to face horrendous opposition but Hughes still didn't fancy really taking the game to them by allowing some skill onto the pitch. That would be fine if it was a one off and he thought "what's the point/save them for harder games" but it's not. He's showing signs of wanting to play that way, with the same players/tactics/substitutions against anyone. If you can't even remember/ get the stadium name right, what else can't you remember/get right? What credibility do you have? I highlighted which sides in red above. So the team plays crap, has crap players, a crap manager, a crap stadium name, ...... Is there anything about Stoke you actually like? Barring almost billion dollar investments, we are probably going down long term no matter who the manager is. Look at villa, leeds, newcastle, etc etc. Unless you are one of the big six, you are probably going to be relegated within the next 20 years, ... but not this year!! You talk of the horrendous opposition, but it seems to never enter your head that maybe, just maybe, the horrendous opposition had something to do with the team line-up? Maybe when Bojan Shaq, Imbula are fresh on Saturday, we will be thankful? Or is that just a cup game and not worth winning? Like I said, we have a lot to be happy about, and I choose to be happy! (1) There's no need to be petty about the Stadium name. I know what it's called but I prefer to call it the Brit, because the Bet365, in my opinion, is quite embarrassing - that does no harm to anybody. (2) You've not named any sides that were worse, again you're being petty. (3) I'm usually very positive about Stoke, I think Hughes is an excellent, underrated manager and I think he's a hero for transforming us in the way that he has but he is making decisions now that I find pretty worrying. (4) Again, smart-arse reply that doesn't address what I've said. (5) Already addressed your final point but will do so again. Hughes is playing the exact team or similar to tonight in every game, and is making the same kind of late, negative substitutions. If this game was actually a one off I'd be all for him playing poor players because we can 'afford to' against poor opposition. But that isn't the case, the tactics are no different from when we get thrashed by decent teams. You really think he was going to pick Bojan Shaq and Imbula but thought 'I better save them for Wolves'?
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 3, 2017 23:36:37 GMT
Absofuckinglutely. It's very rare I say things like this (nowadays) but some of the reactions on here TO A FUCKING WIN are an absolute embarrassment. It smacks of hissy fits being thrown because the team wasn't exactly what people wanted and they can't handle the fact that it actually worked. Properly pathetic. Exactly. It's like watching a bunch of toddlers having tantrums because they didn't get exactly what they wanted for Christmas. It's a 2-0 win in the top-flight against a team who were 2 places higher than us at the start of the night. Sometimes you have to grind out a win in a poor game...we did, we won comfortably, we even kept a clean sheet... and yet I'm reading this absolute load of codswallop. Unbelievable. I remember reading some absolute codswallop on here recently. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/263664/happened-today
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Post by Gods on Jan 3, 2017 23:37:21 GMT
Absofuckinglutely. It's very rare I say things like this (nowadays) but some of the reactions on here TO A FUCKING WIN are an absolute embarrassment. It smacks of hissy fits being thrown because the team wasn't exactly what people wanted and they can't handle the fact that it actually worked. Properly pathetic. Exactly. It's like watching a bunch of toddlers having tantrums because they didn't get exactly what they wanted for Christmas. It's a 2-0 win in the top-flight against a team who were 2 places higher than us at the start of the night. Sometimes you have to grind out a win in a poor game...we did, we won comfortably, we even kept a clean sheet... and yet I'm reading this absolute load of codswallop. Unbelievable. Exactly, we could have lost 2-1 at home against the team bottom of the table like the much heralded Crystal Palace did under the tutelage of Sam Allardyce the some time Engkand manager, but we didn't, we won 2-0, so allow yourselves to just enjoy it a little bit folks.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 3, 2017 23:46:10 GMT
Am I right in thinking we have only beat Watford, Sunderland, Hull, Burnley and Swansea in the league this season?
Have we beat anybody half decent??
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Post by Davef on Jan 3, 2017 23:50:08 GMT
We looked like a team with the oldest strike partnership ever to play for a Premier League team tonight.
A very welcome three points though.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 3, 2017 23:53:15 GMT
We looked like a team with the oldest strike partnership ever to play for a Premier League team tonight. A very welcome three points though. Gooaarrrrnnnnn Jon.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 3, 2017 23:56:34 GMT
We had to win we did but we need to get safe then have a big think about where the team is going . It's a really unbalanced squad. Pace is beeded desperately in attack Crouch is still a handful give him service and use him well he is an asset but him and SJW has never worked if only Hughes had got Gale in the summer or something like him .
Our build up play is too slow although I can see hope for Affellay and Allen in midfield
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 3, 2017 23:58:07 GMT
We looked like a team with the oldest strike partnership ever to play for a Premier League team tonight. A very welcome three points though. Three goals between them in the past three games. As productive as anything else we've seen up top this season, particularly the embarrassing Bony.
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Post by jarhead on Jan 4, 2017 0:00:17 GMT
We've just given Chelsea a bloody tough game at the bridge and played very well. OK tonight we weren't brilliant but we've played better and lost. Tonight we strolled to 3 very easy points. Sometimes it's just about getting them points. Good win stoke and boy did we need that Spot on mate.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 4, 2017 0:02:15 GMT
I'm just reflecting on how I feel this season. It costs too much money and time not to be enjoyed.
I only feel like we have a chance when we play the shit teams. And even then we don't make it enjoyable. We never show a killer instinct to get a 3rd or 4th goal
As soon as we play a half decent team I'm worried.
As soon as we play a top team I'm expecting a spanking.
That isn't right.
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Post by AlanHansen on Jan 4, 2017 0:02:58 GMT
We had to win we did but we need to get safe then have a big think about where the team is going . It's a really unbalanced squad. Pace is beeded desperately in attack Crouch is still a handful give him service and use him well he is an asset but him and SJW has never worked if only Hughes had got Gale in the summer or something like him . Our build up play is too slow although I can see hope for Affellay and Allen in midfield John, not to mention we're still walking a tightrope in goal until Jack gets back to full fitness. Having to play either of the other two options doesn't bear thinking about. The defence is so stretched it's untrue. Both in terms of numbers and quality. We've got a wealth of talent in midfield, unfortunately the manager appears to no longer trust them? We need a couple of centre forwards and as you say we desperately need some pace! Not sure I'd be giving Hughes any money to fix what is his growing mess.
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Post by Davef on Jan 4, 2017 0:06:37 GMT
We looked like a team with the oldest strike partnership ever to play for a Premier League team tonight. A very welcome three points though. Three goals between them in the past three games. As productive as anything else we've seen up top particularly the embarrassing Bony. An indisputable fact, but there can't be many Stoke fans who'd be happy to see two forwards who were a major part of the lowest scoring team in the country for two successive seasons four or five years ago consistently leading our line. Hughes' failure to adddress our striking issues has been a major disappointment.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 4, 2017 0:09:55 GMT
Being away I haven't seen it but regardless for me that's crucial result , I still fancy Swansea or Sunderland or both will put a spurt on so this year is all about getting to 40 i career more about the long term good of surviving than the petty agenda of who or how we get there , no great complement to investment made but that's here we are and tonight is a big step 16 more points to go .
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 4, 2017 0:11:49 GMT
We looked like a team with the oldest strike partnership ever to play for a Premier League team tonight. A very welcome three points though. Three goals between them in the past three games. As productive as anything else we've seen up top this season, particularly the embarrassing Bony. A goalkeeping error, a 4 yard tap in and a complete fluke off his knee. Prolific these lads are and top quality too. How they contrived to miss some of the chances today was worth the admission fee alone. The one where crouch missed the simplest of headers which resulted in Walters missing the easiest of easy chances was particularly enjoyable.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 4, 2017 0:13:32 GMT
Three goals between them in the past three games. As productive as anything else we've seen up top this season, particularly the embarrassing Bony. A goalkeeping error, a 4 yard tap in and a complete fluke off his knee. Prolific these lads are and top quality too. How they contrived to miss some of the chances today was worth the admission fee alone. The one where crouch missed the simplest of headers which resulted in Walters missing the easiest of easy chances was particularly enjoyable. Yeah all them superstars sat on the bench despite knocking down the door with their string of outstanding performances this season. It's a travesty it is
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Post by ysc1 on Jan 4, 2017 0:13:34 GMT
Its easy to say 'knicker wetters' 'moaning bastards' 'never happy' etc etc but facts are facts yeah we won and got a clean sheet. But we were shit. It was just lucky for us they were absolutley dog shit.
Pieters - awful Diouf - i honestly cant see how he a proffesional footballer at the highest level basic things like his touch, passing and control of a football is actually scary. Commitment work ethic and tracking back cant fault him but the basics its actually scary. Adam - ok asisted again tonight but thought he was awful Allen (great signing) - but the game has bypassed him over the past week. Waltets - useful for fuck all
Im sorry but any half decent performance from watford and we would have been lucky to get a point. Sick of these shit formations with players out of position. Lets get back to basics give the formation a bit of time to gel and players to learn how to play with each other again and we will be fine.
---------------------------grant------------------------- Johnson---shawcross--martins indi---pieters --------------------allen-----whelan----------------- Shaqiri----------------bojan----------------arnie -----------crouch(replacement needed)-----------
Subs: given muni imbula adam affely sobhi bony
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 4, 2017 0:24:49 GMT
Absofuckinglutely. It's very rare I say things like this (nowadays) but some of the reactions on here TO A FUCKING WIN are an absolute embarrassment. It smacks of hissy fits being thrown because the team wasn't exactly what people wanted and they can't handle the fact that it actually worked. Properly pathetic.
For what it's worth PL I think you are one of the most level headed posters on this forum and I always hold your posts in high regard for being sensible and well considered but (with the greatest of respect) I think you're being very harsh here mate.
I thought the 'football' we played tonight was absolutely awful, we looked like a team of complete misfits with no discernable plan whatsoever, playing against a team with (thankfully) even less of an idea about what it was all about.
We won but jeez it's hard to take too many (any?) positives away from the performance.
Surely the win is a fairly major bloody positive though? This is what I'm talking about, I know things are far from rosy generally but surely we have to retain a bit of pride and pleasure in seeing our team, dodgy and unbalanced and confounding as it seemed, comfortably (I'm not having that it wasn't comfortable) dispatch mid-table rivals at home? I've got absolutely no problem with deserved criticism but let's have some recognition of the task at hand completed - three vital points which dig us out of a mini-slump and keep us secured in mid-table (imagine if we'd lost!) I was just shocked at the level of naked negativity to be honest. But you're right it was probably a bit harsh.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2017 0:31:17 GMT
For what it's worth PL I think you are one of the most level headed posters on this forum and I always hold your posts in high regard for being sensible and well considered but (with the greatest of respect) I think you're being very harsh here mate.
I thought the 'football' we played tonight was absolutely awful, we looked like a team of complete misfits with no discernable plan whatsoever, playing against a team with (thankfully) even less of an idea about what it was all about.
We won but jeez it's hard to take too many (any?) positives away from the performance.
Surely the win is a fairly major bloody positive though? This is what I'm talking about, I know things are far from rosy generally but surely we have to retain a bit of pride and pleasure in seeing our team, dodgy and unbalanced and confounding as it seemed, comfortably (I'm not having that it wasn't comfortable) dispatch mid-table rivals at home? I've got absolutely no problem with deserved criticism but let's have some recognition of the task at hand completed - three vital points which dig us out of a mini-slump and keep us secured in mid-table (imagine if we'd lost!) I was just shocked at the level of naked negativity to be honest. But you're right it was probably a bit harsh. It was as bad as I've seen us play in the Premier League. And I've stuck a few quid on Watford to go down too! Edit-I say few, I mean a quid. It's my maximum bet because I'm the tightest twat alive!
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Post by jarvinski on Jan 4, 2017 0:38:29 GMT
Well said Paul, some of the pricks who post on here wear rose tinted glasses know fuck all about football, you were right it was a wank performance yet again, Walters ffs
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 4, 2017 0:39:32 GMT
Surely the win is a fairly major bloody positive though? This is what I'm talking about, I know things are far from rosy generally but surely we have to retain a bit of pride and pleasure in seeing our team, dodgy and unbalanced and confounding as it seemed, comfortably (I'm not having that it wasn't comfortable) dispatch mid-table rivals at home? I've got absolutely no problem with deserved criticism but let's have some recognition of the task at hand completed - three vital points which dig us out of a mini-slump and keep us secured in mid-table (imagine if we'd lost!) I was just shocked at the level of naked negativity to be honest. But you're right it was probably a bit harsh. It was as bad as I've seen us play in the Premier League. And I've stuck a few quid on Watford to go down too! Edit-I say few, I mean a quid. It's my maximum bet because I'm the tightest twat alive! I didn't think it was that bad at all, I could name ten worse performances without even thinking about it. But hey ho.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2017 0:42:45 GMT
It was as bad as I've seen us play in the Premier League. And I've stuck a few quid on Watford to go down too! Edit-I say few, I mean a quid. It's my maximum bet because I'm the tightest twat alive! I didn't think it was that bad at all, I could name ten worse performances without even thinking about it. But hey ho. I struggled tonight. It was like watching a really bad Championship game. We were lucky they're so bad. Glad we won but there's far more questions than answers based on that shite tonight.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 4, 2017 0:44:01 GMT
Being away I haven't seen it but regardless for me that's crucial result , I still fancy Swansea or Sunderland or both will put a spurt on so this year is all about getting to 40 i career more about the long term good of surviving than the petty agenda of who or how we get there , no great complement to investment made but that's here we are and tonight is a big step 16 more points to go . You'd have loved it. I so wish you could have been there to see it.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 4, 2017 1:34:22 GMT
Absofuckinglutely. It's very rare I say things like this (nowadays) but some of the reactions on here TO A FUCKING WIN are an absolute embarrassment. It smacks of hissy fits being thrown because the team wasn't exactly what people wanted and they can't handle the fact that it actually worked. Properly pathetic.
For what it's worth PL I think you are one of the most level headed posters on this forum and I always hold your posts in high regard for being sensible and well considered but (with the greatest of respect) I think you're being very harsh here mate.
I thought the 'football' we played tonight was absolutely awful, we looked like a team of complete misfits with no discernable plan whatsoever, playing against a team with (thankfully) even less of an idea about what it was all about.
We won but jeez it's hard to take too many (any?) positives away from the performance.
After 2 very difficult fixtures it was important just to get 3 points. Now I know it was a total shitfest but give the manager some credit. I'm on the cusp of being very critical of the current regime but I think we owe it to him to have another window and a chance to regroup. Having said that Walters and Crouch on the pitch at the same time really does piss me off.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 4, 2017 1:42:24 GMT
I didn't think it was that bad at all, I could name ten worse performances without even thinking about it. But hey ho. I struggled tonight. It was like watching a really bad Championship game. We were lucky they're so bad. Glad we won but there's far more questions than answers based on that shite tonight. I try to avoid abuse etc. But you're becoming a parody. "I struggled tonight"... ffs. Log off and drink some sterilised milk and watch 'Kelly's Heroes'. Sad state of affairs if you didn't enjoy the Stoke experience tonight. We made them look like the metaphorical kid in a play pen. imo.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2017 1:48:37 GMT
I struggled tonight. It was like watching a really bad Championship game. We were lucky they're so bad. Glad we won but there's far more questions than answers based on that shite tonight. I try to avoid abuse etc. But you're becoming a parody. "I struggled tonight"... ffs. Log off and drink some sterilised milk and watch 'Kelly's Heroes'. Sad state of affairs if you didn't enjoy the Stoke experience tonight. We made them look like the metaphorical kid in a play pen. imo. Read the board, it's not just me. It was atrocious. We have gone around in a circle and are back to where we ended under TP. If you want to watch that shit then that's your choice. I'd rather watch a side trying to play football. Like I said it was fucking atrocious and there was an undercurrent there waiting to seep out. Hughes has a massive job on his hands.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 4, 2017 1:51:37 GMT
I try to avoid abuse etc. But you're becoming a parody. "I struggled tonight"... ffs. Log off and drink some sterilised milk and watch 'Kelly's Heroes'. Sad state of affairs if you didn't enjoy the Stoke experience tonight. We made them look like the metaphorical kid in a play pen. imo. Read the board, it's not just me. It was atrocious. We have gone around in a circle and are back to where we ended under TP. If you want to watch that shit then that's your choice. I'd rather watch a side trying to play football. Like I said it was fucking atrocious and there was an undercurrent there waiting to seep out. Hughes has a massive job on his hands. 4231 ?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 4, 2017 1:52:02 GMT
Am I the only one who didn't think we played too bad? Like when we played Norwich last season. Might be a January thing.
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Post by kinkyjohn on Jan 4, 2017 1:56:17 GMT
A game is like an onion. You have to break a few to make an omlette.
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Post by Lesalanos on Jan 4, 2017 2:04:17 GMT
Who you bringing in then? Eddie Howe. Great a man who's team wasted so much team at our place it was an embarrassment. Tonight they lose a 3-0 lead!? You're having a laugh.
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