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Post by nicethrow on Aug 12, 2016 8:36:31 GMT
Selling a season ticket on the conditional basis of what this fan puts on social media.  |
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Post by raythesailor on Aug 12, 2016 8:39:05 GMT
If Stoke did that we would be back to 10-12000 in no time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 8:46:05 GMT
Just seen this myself and tried to upload it (in terrible fashion).
Unbelievable, what is going on at that club. Why aren't the football league doing anything about these owners who don't give a fuck about the clubs? Same thing with Blackpool, they just don't care.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 8:48:50 GMT
Selling a season ticket on the conditional basis of what this fan puts on social media. View AttachmentI always think there are 2 sides to a story. They must have good reasons for going to these measures |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 8:50:54 GMT
Freedom of speech?
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Post by Mendicant on Aug 12, 2016 8:53:26 GMT
If Stoke did that we would be back to 10-12000 in no time. Anyone else remember Smudge having a polite word with us (around 1997?) in the era of "The 3 Stooges" that we had to be a bit more careful, based on information from the club...? |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 12, 2016 9:00:12 GMT
Selling a season ticket on the conditional basis of what this fan puts on social media. I always think there are 2 sides to a story. They must have good reasons for going to these measures yep and regardless of freedom of speech, i don't think there's any country that allows you to just say whatever you want, whenever you want. even in our "Free" country, there are still boundaries as to what is or isn't legally acceptable re: Freedom of speech. seems a bit daft to criticise the club when none of us have a clue what he said. if he threatened to kill a member of the club, incite racial hatred etc. then this is the right step (and lenient) but if he just said one of their players was crap then it's a different matter. as you say, they must have good reason to do this. they're a business and will have a legal department who would advise them on what they can/can't do so i'm sure it's all perfectly legitimate |
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Post by bassmaster on Aug 12, 2016 9:10:40 GMT
I always think there are 2 sides to a story. They must have good reasons for going to these measures yep and regardless of freedom of speech, i don't think there's any country that allows you to just say whatever you want, whenever you want. even in our "Free" country, there are still boundaries as to what is or isn't legally acceptable re: Freedom of speech. seems a bit daft to criticise the club when none of us have a clue what he said. if he threatened to kill a member of the club, incite racial hatred etc. then this is the right step (and lenient) but if he just said one of their players was crap then it's a different matter. as you say, they must have good reason to do this. they're a business and will have a legal department who would advise them on what they can/can't do so i'm sure it's all perfectly legitimate If he did threaten to kill, incite racial hatred then he'd have been prosecuted one might think? |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 12, 2016 9:13:14 GMT
yep and regardless of freedom of speech, i don't think there's any country that allows you to just say whatever you want, whenever you want. even in our "Free" country, there are still boundaries as to what is or isn't legally acceptable re: Freedom of speech. seems a bit daft to criticise the club when none of us have a clue what he said. if he threatened to kill a member of the club, incite racial hatred etc. then this is the right step (and lenient) but if he just said one of their players was crap then it's a different matter. as you say, they must have good reason to do this. they're a business and will have a legal department who would advise them on what they can/can't do so i'm sure it's all perfectly legitimate If he did threaten to kill, incite racial hatred then he'd have been prosecuted one might think? well obviously. i was merely trying to highlight the fact that they may have perfectly legitimate reasons to take this action and also to highlight the fact that just because people are entitled to "Freedom of speech" there are still things you just can't legally say; freedom of speech doesn't give you carte blanche to just say what you want at all...anywhere! there are still boundaries to that "Freedom". if all he did was slag off the club then the whole thing is ridiculous and Charlton deserve the criticism they'll now get but always important to know the facts beforehand i find. |
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Post by KyleLightbulb on Aug 12, 2016 9:18:31 GMT
Freedom of speech is the right to express your opinions without fear of the GOVERNMENT prosecuting you for doing so. Private companies can do whatever they damn well please. They're dicks for doing it, don't get me wrong. But this has nothing to do with freedom of speech. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 12, 2016 9:20:47 GMT
Freedom of speech is the right to express your opinions without fear of the GOVERNMENT prosecuting you for doing so. Private companies can do whatever they damn well please. They're dicks for doing it, don't get me wrong. But this has nothing to do with freedom of speech. yep. same as a pub landlord refusing service to anyone for any reason. like it or not, it's their club so they choose who can or can't have a ticket. having said that, if it is just a minor thing and they're massively over reacting then it certainly won't do their business much good PR wise |
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Post by imho on Aug 12, 2016 9:21:11 GMT
Two things, firstly there is no such thing as 'free speech ' in this country, it's just not a right that we actually have, as the freedom of expression is actually limited by other legislation.
Secondly the letter sent is bollocks (legal term). Mainly for 2 reasons, it's confirming a breach of contract by the club by withholding goods that have actually been paid for (taking it that payment was made a while ago as that is how it reads) and possibly by having unfair contract conditions added on (not that the terms themselves are unfair just that adding them to one persons season ticket terms is in itself unfair, as well as to vague re: not stipulating what anti social actually is).
Remember what ever this chap has done it's not seen as enough to ban him
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 12, 2016 9:24:23 GMT
What he said couldn't have been that bad surely? As there's no question of prosecution and no threat of legal action.
It just reads like pathetic bully boy tactics from a club that's completely lost the plot.
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Post by Onneravineet on Aug 12, 2016 9:27:56 GMT
Bloody hell. Why didn't someone say to Mr Charlton FC, "er mate...there are dickheads and morons everywhere, sometimes dickheaded morons, it's life. Over on the Oatcake they've got this weapon called Benji and I think you'd have had him sectioned by now if he trotted down to the Valley on matchdays!"
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Post by lagwafis on Aug 12, 2016 9:32:51 GMT
Not sure what the details on this one are yet but Charlton were involved in a similar case last summer when they banned a supporter for homophobic comments - As others have said, the 'freedom of speech' argument won't get you far. The situation at Blackpool is a case in point. You've got the Oyston family taking supporters to court for libel and visa versa (Sam Oyston had to pay a supporter £20k the other year over claims made about money being stolen from a casino. Karl Oyston was also forced to make a public apology for calling a supporter a 'retard'). |
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Post by nik80 on Aug 12, 2016 9:52:32 GMT
Selling a season ticket on the conditional basis of what this fan puts on social media. View Attachment Well they could fuck right off. Saying that, imagine the satisfaction to be gained by being granted the opportunity to say that in person to the prick who wrote this to you?! When things were going massively wrong at Stoke you couldn't get close to the people you wanted to vent at. I wouldn't be watching Charlton again until changes were made but to get a chance to meet this prick in person would be priceless. |
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Post by miggo on Aug 12, 2016 10:29:35 GMT
What he said couldn't have been that bad surely? As there's no question of prosecution and no threat of legal action. It just reads like pathetic bully boy tactics from a club that's completely lost the plot. Couldn't agree more, a real shame what's happening at some clubs and an even bigger shame that this supposed check that the FA seem to do on perspective owners is a waste time of everybody's time. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 10:37:41 GMT
What he said couldn't have been that bad surely? As there's no question of prosecution and no threat of legal action. It just reads like pathetic bully boy tactics from a club that's completely lost the plot. Maybe that will be discussed when they meet. I am sure they don't want to go around taking their own fans to court, or threatening to do so. |
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Post by greyman on Aug 12, 2016 10:56:37 GMT
Anybody remember Pulis going apeshit about a fan who'd been to a training session posting information about tactics? Apparently nobody else in football had worked it all out. Mind you there are still some West Brom fans who seem to think he plays full backs.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 12, 2016 11:01:26 GMT
Anybody remember Pulis going apeshit about a fan who'd been to a training session posting information about tactics? Apparently nobody else in football had worked it all out. Mind you there are still some West Brom fans who seem to think he plays full backs. I remember Tony Scholes inviting a poster on here to go and see him to undermine Pulis. The slimy cunt. |
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Post by stacks on Aug 12, 2016 11:02:58 GMT
This is incredible, who is the owner Kim jong-un? If it's Racist, homophobic, etc then fair enough but that's a given surely, If anyone is caught using this type of language they should have their season tickets taken off them full stop. I'm sure the majority of clubs in the country have this policy in place. This I believe is something different. It's the club trying to control what their fans can and can't say whether it be at the ground or on social media. I know they are giving it a go but it's something that can't be policed. I am staggered that no one in the board room at Charlton said hold on a minute I don't think this is a good idea. Even the media response there has been already will probably have the guy responsible thinking maybe it was a big mistake to issue such a ridiculous letter. I sincerely hope it blows up in his stupid face. I realise this now prevents me from buying a season ticket down at the valley but I am more than OK with that, Besides we've already had season 1984  |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 12, 2016 11:07:39 GMT
What he said couldn't have been that bad surely? As there's no question of prosecution and no threat of legal action. It just reads like pathetic bully boy tactics from a club that's completely lost the plot. Maybe that will be discussed when they meet. I am sure they don't want to go around taking their own fans to court, or threatening to do so. If they're within their rights to do so I don't see why not? If they've got reason to do so they'd look a lot better doing that than this, where they look like a dreadful bunch of corporate fascists. |
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Post by philb on Aug 12, 2016 11:11:05 GMT
Regardless, he's still getting punished because they're still giving him a season ticket!
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Post by bassmaster on Aug 12, 2016 16:30:59 GMT
If he did threaten to kill, incite racial hatred then he'd have been prosecuted one might think? well obviously. i was merely trying to highlight the fact that they may have perfectly legitimate reasons to take this action and also to highlight the fact that just because people are entitled to "Freedom of speech" there are still things you just can't legally say; freedom of speech doesn't give you carte blanche to just say what you want at all...anywhere! there are still boundaries to that "Freedom". if all he did was slag off the club then the whole thing is ridiculous and Charlton deserve the criticism they'll now get but always important to know the facts beforehand i find. Obviously, you have nor read the letter. Try, it may inform your responses. It refers to 'less than constructive' not fucking illegal you imbecile. Queue a 300 word piffled response. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 12, 2016 16:41:46 GMT
well obviously. i was merely trying to highlight the fact that they may have perfectly legitimate reasons to take this action and also to highlight the fact that just because people are entitled to "Freedom of speech" there are still things you just can't legally say; freedom of speech doesn't give you carte blanche to just say what you want at all...anywhere! there are still boundaries to that "Freedom". if all he did was slag off the club then the whole thing is ridiculous and Charlton deserve the criticism they'll now get but always important to know the facts beforehand i find. Obviously, you have nor read the letter. Try, it may inform your responses. It refers to 'less than constructive' not fucking illegal you imbecile. Queue a 300 word piffled response.  what a lovely, constructive and eloquent response. you are aware that if they wanted to, they don't actually HAVE to use the word "illegal" anyway even if it was aren't you? especially given the fact they asked for a personal meeting with him to discuss it when giving him his ticket (or did you not read the letter you imbecile?) as has also been pointed out NO club is under ANY obligation to issue ANYONE with a season ticket anyway. they are freely entitled to refund ANYONE'S money for ANY reason they want if they wish to do so....you imbecile obviously you haven't waited until we know the full facts either..try, it may inform your responses! they'll let any dumb fuck on this board nowadays it would appear. cue a barrage of insults and abuse because you don't have the brains to articulate a constructive response without insulting others (completely unnecessarily i might add as i don't think i was in any way even impolite to you let alone abusive.....great role model to any kids you may have. you should be proud  ) |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 12, 2016 16:45:56 GMT
They'll end up doing a Charlton if they're not careful.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 12, 2016 16:58:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 17:11:10 GMT
I'd tell them to fucking sling it
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 12, 2016 17:17:46 GMT
Because once anything is on social media people will decide the rest of the "facts" themselves and proceed to slag people off based on what is nothing more than their own speculation. Even if Charlton's stance is true, then this bloke knows full well that his posting of the letter (and the consequent furore it causes) will be seen by far more people than the statement from the club will be as a club treating fans like shit gets far more column inches than a club being treated like shit by 1 fan, so everyone will slag off Charlton and "side" with him in the absence of the full facts. It's the internet trolling culture that we live in nowadays unfortunately. |
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 12, 2016 18:57:24 GMT
Because once anything is on social media people will decide the rest of the "facts" themselves and proceed to slag people off based on what is nothing more than their own speculation. Even if Charlton's stance is true, then this bloke knows full well that his posting of the letter (and the consequent furore it causes) will be seen by far more people than the statement from the club will be as a club treating fans like shit gets far more column inches than a club being treated like shit by 1 fan, so everyone will slag off Charlton and "side" with him in the absence of the full facts. It's the internet trolling culture that we live in nowadays unfortunately. Probably some truth in that, I just wonder if the guy thought they'd sent loads of these out and not just to him, sooner or later he'll be named and it'll reflect as well on them as all the journalists who piled in on twitter without even making a basic check. |
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