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Post by oslostokie1 on Aug 7, 2016 7:02:23 GMT
Assuming no further signings happening or being ready for next week's curtain raiser, the team selection will be very interesting. Given the opposition's likely positive approach to the game, we need to set up robustly particularly with our fragility at the back. I would be tempted to go with:
Butland, Bardsley (assuming no Johnson), Shawcross, Wollscheid, Pieters, Whelan, Allen, Imbula, Arnautovic, Shaqiri, Diouf. Subs: Given, Cameron, Adam, Bojan, Joselu, Sobhi, Crouch
The key decision will be whether he goes with both Imbula and Bojan. For many games, he certainly will but for this one, I think he should be more circumspect. Bojan was perhaps our best player yesterday with Imbula, but I have a feeling he might save the former for his reacquaintence with Guardiola the following week. I cannot really see him leaving Allen out unless he views that he is still recovering from his Euro exertions. I think he can help us to wrest control of the midfield together with Imbula.
The other key decision could be around Walters who has announced his fitness on the pitch yesterday and, knowing him, will do so more audibly during training this week. He will expect to play and there is a good argument for including him for such a game instead of Shaqiri.
The bench will be interesting even before any new additions. I expect Crouch to remain on there even if it leaves us light defensively.
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Post by caine on Aug 7, 2016 7:17:08 GMT
Assuming no further signings happening or being ready for next week's curtain raiser, the team selection will be very interesting. Given the opposition's likely positive approach to the game, we need to set up robustly particularly with our fragility at the back. I would be tempted to go with: Butland, Bardsley (assuming no Johnson), Shawcross, Wollscheid, Pieters, Whelan, Allen, Imbula, Arnautovic, Shaqiri, Diouf. Subs: Given, Cameron, Adam, Bojan, Joselu, Sobhi, Crouch The key decision will be whether he goes with both Imbula and Bojan. For many games, he certainly will but for this one, I think he should be more circumspect. Bojan was perhaps our best player yesterday with Imbula, but I have a feeling he might save the former for his reacquaintence with Guardiola the following week. I cannot really see him leaving Allen out unless he views that he is still recovering from his Euro exertions. I think he can help us to wrest control of the midfield together with Imbula. The other key decision could be around Walters who has announced his fitness on the pitch yesterday and, knowing him, will do so more audibly during training this week. He will expect to play and there is a good argument for including him for such a game instead of Shaqiri. The bench will be interesting even before any new additions. I expect Crouch to remain on there even if it leaves us light defensively. Can't believe you've left bojan out who has been the best player in pre season by far! I wouldn't leave him out against the lesser teams! Think I would like to see bojan up top and imbula behind with whelan and Allen in the middle against city, it worked last season against teams that played a high line! I would rather have Cameron at RB then bards to!
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Post by wuzza on Aug 7, 2016 7:20:21 GMT
I don't see that as being a particularly robust team - quite the reverse as far as the midfield / forward line up goes. Be very surprised if SJW is not involved either in starting line up or at very least on the bench. I general I'm afraid there is no more clarity now than there was last season as to what our best line-up is.
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Post by jarhead on Aug 7, 2016 7:36:18 GMT
Maybe this from me.
...............Butland
.......Glen Ryan Wolly Erik ........... Allen Whelan shaqiri.......................Arnoutivic ................Bojan
......................Diouf
Or swap Allen for Imbula, really good options in that midfield now.
Berahino for diouf IF he signs!
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Post by oslostokie1 on Aug 7, 2016 7:54:48 GMT
I don't see that as being a particularly robust team - quite the reverse as far as the midfield / forward line up goes. Be very surprised if SJW is not involved either in starting line up or at very least on the bench. I general I'm afraid there is no more clarity now than there was last season as to what our best line-up is. Apart from playing Walters instead of Shaqiri, which I have said is an option, how would you make the team more robust?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 7, 2016 7:58:03 GMT
I'd go with
Jack
Glen J (if fit) Ryan Wolly Eric
Allen Imbula
Arni Bojan Shaq
Mame
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 8:02:00 GMT
After watching a few things yesterday, albeit on a crap stream, I'd go with:
Butland
Johnson Shawcross Wollscheid Pieters
Whelan Allen Imbula
Shaq Bojan Arnie
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 7, 2016 8:07:23 GMT
After watching a few things yesterday, albeit on a crap stream, I'd go with: Butland Johnson Shawcross Wollscheid Pieters Whelan Allen Imbula Shaq Bojan Arnie That's the exact team and formation I was going to put. It won't happen though.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 7, 2016 8:11:31 GMT
I don't see that as being a particularly robust team - quite the reverse as far as the midfield / forward line up goes. Be very surprised if SJW is not involved either in starting line up or at very least on the bench. I general I'm afraid there is no more clarity now than there was last season as to what our best line-up is. Apart from playing Walters instead of Shaqiri, which I have said is an option, how would you make the team more robust?[/quote I think you are right that is the only real option which is a bit of a problem. At the moment I see Shaq as a bit of a luxury especially if Bojan is going to be in the mix...but on the other hand the alternatives don't seem to gel either. I'm not fond of the balance of the team we put out for much of last season and there hasn't really been anything to suggest we have an alternative ready for this season
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Post by wuzza on Aug 7, 2016 8:16:39 GMT
After watching a few things yesterday, albeit on a crap stream, I'd go with: Butland Johnson Shawcross Wollscheid Pieters Whelan Allen Imbula Shaq Bojan Arnie I'd go with that on the basis it gives the defence a bit of help from the midfield while the attack can just buzz around in the hope that a bit of individual brilliance produces something. A 'you never know your luck' sort of line up.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Aug 7, 2016 8:27:33 GMT
After watching a few things yesterday, albeit on a crap stream, I'd go with: Butland Johnson Shawcross Wollscheid Pieters Whelan Allen Imbula Shaq Bojan Arnie I think that's more likely the line up for Man City as the system worked well enough last year
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Post by Clem Fandango on Aug 7, 2016 8:29:55 GMT
After watching a few things yesterday, albeit on a crap stream, I'd go with: Butland Johnson Shawcross Wollscheid Pieters Whelan Allen Imbula Shaq Bojan Arnie Doesn't that system only work against a high defensive line?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 12:18:07 GMT
Jack Johnson ryan cameron erik Whelan Allen Imbula Shaq bojan arnie
Go for the False 9 and try and control the pace of the game. Boro will look to start hard and fast but that side would soon have them chasing down a lot of balls. Pinch a goal lead then diouf will be on late in the day to score a 2nd. ;-)
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 7, 2016 12:21:35 GMT
Butland Johnson Shawcross Muniesa Pieters Allen Imbula Shaqiri Bojan Arnautovic Joselu
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2016 12:22:40 GMT
I think he'll go back to the false 9 bollocks too which wastes our most creative player but such is life.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 7, 2016 13:40:13 GMT
I think he'll go back to the false 9 bollocks too which wastes our most creative player but such is life. This is exactly the type of game we should be playing the false 9. Boro will be up for it in front of a full house and look to take the game to us. We can bolster the midfield with all of Whelan, Allen and Imbula playing, and BMX interchanging ahead of them as we hit them on the counter. Think Everton away without the shit defending (hopefully!).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 13:46:08 GMT
Allen is a better footballer than whelan, some folk need to get to grips with it. We have not spent 13 million in him and 18million on imbula to sit on the bench.
Imbula ---- Allen
Shaq --- bojan --- Arnie
Is my midfield.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 13:49:50 GMT
Butland Johnson Shawcross Muniesa Pieters Allen Imbula Shaqiri Bojan Arnautovic Joselu
That CH partnership is dreamy when they're both fit imo
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Post by VolvicStokie on Aug 7, 2016 13:56:02 GMT
I'd go with
Butland
Johnson Shawcross Wolly Pieters
Allen Imbula
Walters Bojan Arnautovic
Diouf
Depending on circumstances you probably bring Shaqiri on at some point.
I feel in a game vs a newly promoted side, we need to have the likes of Diouf and Walters in there. Pressing them and forcing them to rush make mistakes and get the ball back.
Playing Bojan up top isn't right for this type. Against Man City yes!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 13:56:08 GMT
Butland Johnson Shawcross Muniesa Pieters Allen Imbula Shaqiri Bojan Arnautovic Joselu
That CH partnership is dreamy when they're both fit imo I think this is the team we all want....Joselu is interchangeable....hopefully with Berahino. Will we get....will we fuck. Whelan and Walters will start
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2016 14:02:27 GMT
I think he'll go back to the false 9 bollocks too which wastes our most creative player but such is life. This is exactly the type of game we should be playing the false 9. Boro will be up for it in front of a full house and look to take the game to us. We can bolster the midfield with all of Whelan, Allen and Imbula playing, and BMX interchanging ahead of them as we hit them on the counter. Think Everton away without the shit defending (hopefully!). What where we abandoned it and the game changed when we put Joselu up front? It just doesn't work.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Aug 7, 2016 15:49:00 GMT
Allen is a better footballer than whelan, some folk need to get to grips with it. We have not spent 13 million in him and 18million on imbula to sit on the bench. Imbula ---- Allen Shaq --- bojan --- Arnie Is my midfield. I think we would all like to see this midfield but we would need to play with two goalkeepers....
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Post by stonestokie76 on Aug 7, 2016 16:20:07 GMT
I don't know the team but make no mistake we will be playing 3-5-2!. No idea why all his managerial career not really used this but seems obsessed by it right now!. Big difference with Wales is that they have the worlds most expensive player and a world class AM in terms of Ramsey. Not sure we have the wingbacks to make it work, we shall see in a week!
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 7, 2016 16:21:39 GMT
I agree with Nico, Matt, John, and Grant that Charlie Adam has to be first name on the team sheet.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 7, 2016 16:23:33 GMT
I don't know the team but make no mistake we will be playing 3-5-2!. No idea why all his managerial career not really used this but seems obsessed by it right now!. Big difference with Wales is that they have the worlds most expensive player and a world class AM in terms of Ramsey. Not sure we have the wingbacks to make it work, we shall see in a week! Don't think we will tbf. We didn't yesterday.
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Post by stonestokie76 on Aug 7, 2016 16:24:56 GMT
I don't know the team but make no mistake we will be playing 3-5-2!. No idea why all his managerial career not really used this but seems obsessed by it right now!. Big difference with Wales is that they have the worlds most expensive player and a world class AM in terms of Ramsey. Not sure we have the wingbacks to make it work, we shall see in a week! Don't think we will tbf. We didn't yesterday. Ahhhh I genuinely didn't know that!, I thought we started 352 and then went back to the usual 4231?, if we didn't then I might be completely wrong!!!!!. How did we work the players into the 4231?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 7, 2016 16:26:54 GMT
Don't think we will tbf. We didn't yesterday. Ahhhh I genuinely didn't know that!, I thought we started 352 and then went back to the usual 4231?, if we didn't then I might be completely wrong!!!!!. How did we work the players into the 4231? Diouf up front, Sobhi and Shaq wide, Bojan number 10, Whelan and Imbula behind. Usual back four except Geoff in for GJ. Think it'll be that except Arnie for Sobhi and maybe Allen for Glenn.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 7, 2016 16:31:08 GMT
Ahhhh I genuinely didn't know that!, I thought we started 352 and then went back to the usual 4231?, if we didn't then I might be completely wrong!!!!!. How did we work the players into the 4231? Diouf up front, Sobhi and Shaq wide, Bojan number 10, Whelan and Imbula behind. Usual back four except Geoff in for GJ. Think it'll be that except Arnie for Sobhi and maybe Allen for Glenn. Allen will play, nailed on.
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Post by owdestokie on Aug 7, 2016 17:50:33 GMT
Diouf up front, Sobhi and Shaq wide, Bojan number 10, Whelan and Imbula behind. Usual back four except Geoff in for GJ. Think it'll be that except Arnie for Sobhi and maybe Allen for Glenn. Allen will play, nailed on. There's some footballing tacticians contributing already with different formations and players to fit the formations (if fit). Leslie take care you could be out of a job before you know it. How about forward play with attempts at goal? Seems fairly conventional to me or dont I understand the modern game 😄😄
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 7, 2016 18:44:58 GMT
Butland Johnson Shawcross Wollscheid Pieters Imbula Allen Shaqiri Bojan Arnautovic Diouf
Cameron if Johnson isn't ready, and Walters if Arnie isn't ready.
If we do go with 3-5-2, which I hope we don't:
Butland Cameron Shawcross Wollscheid Johnson Imbula Allen Bojan Pieters Diouf Arnautovic
Shaqiri in the middle with Bojan up top if Arnautovic can't go, Bardsley in for Johnson if he isn't ready.
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