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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 8, 2017 10:59:25 GMT
So you think that those Labour voters in Silverdale who voted Leave were brainwashed by a secretive data harvesting company in Canada employed by Alt-Right billionaires? It's odd. On Marr this morning they had a political editor from Buzzfeed who was explaining that twitter is where the politicians and journo's hangout with soundbites and self-publicising pithy remarks. Facebook is where the discussion happens and it's a lot younger and much further to the Left. Buzzfeed has a political editor? Last time I looked on there the lead article was something along the lines of 'Create us a pizza and we'll tell you which Disney character you are'. Peston it fucking isn't. I know. Surprised me. He came across quite well. Jim Waterson. Newspaper Front Page conversation starts at 05:00 he comes in at 09:00. Andrew Marr Show Not so much 'Fake News' but "hyper-partisan news" says the ex-Labour adviser now a stand-up comic (!?). The Rise of The Alt-Left British Media - Jim Waterson, Buzzfeed. It's a long read. You'll need a cuppa
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 9, 2017 8:45:00 GMT
we will not see a flood of jobs from London to Paris - City A.M. "Even if the biggest dozen banks to have threatened post-referendum job moves follow through to the max, the resulting loss – 9,000 jobs, according to Reuters – equates to just two per cent of finance roles in the capital. And that is a huge "if"."
"At a high level meeting of diplomats towards the end of last year, one attendee noted: "Moving financial services is as complex and risky as moving nuclear waste.""
"France's labour laws remain a large obstacle"
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 9, 2017 12:07:13 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on May 9, 2017 12:16:38 GMT
we will not see a flood of jobs from London to Paris - City A.M. "Even if the biggest dozen banks to have threatened post-referendum job moves follow through to the max, the resulting loss – 9,000 jobs, according to Reuters – equates to just two per cent of finance roles in the capital. And that is a huge "if"."
"At a high level meeting of diplomats towards the end of last year, one attendee noted: "Moving financial services is as complex and risky as moving nuclear waste.""
"France's labour laws remain a large obstacle" That's right some business (city) mates of mine say that its not Paris but they have been told that there jobs are likely to be moved to Frankfurt post Brexit
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 14:51:30 GMT
I don't like to big him up but, on this occasion I will .....he's a Massive Prick
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Post by followyoudown on May 10, 2017 6:39:11 GMT
I don't like to big him up but, on this occasion I will .....he's a Massive Prick I'll raise you a Guy Verhofstadt ..........
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 10, 2017 6:53:43 GMT
I don't like to big him up but, on this occasion I will .....he's a Massive Prick I'll raise you a Guy Verhofstadt .......... Lighten up, it's a joke. You can't say anything at the moment without some busybody taking offence.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 7:19:29 GMT
I don't like to big him up but, on this occasion I will .....he's a Massive Prick I'll raise you a Guy Verhofstadt .......... And him Saw that yesterday Theresa May should show that while she's touring It'll bring loads onside
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Post by followyoudown on May 10, 2017 8:03:31 GMT
I'll raise you a Guy Verhofstadt .......... Lighten up, it's a joke. You can't say anything at the moment without some busybody taking offence. Who is taking offence it just confirms what a prick he is
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 10, 2017 8:11:32 GMT
Lighten up, it's a joke. You can't say anything at the moment without some busybody taking offence. Who is taking offence it just confirms what a prick he is You are, by the sounds of it.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 10, 2017 9:23:33 GMT
I look at that and laugh at him. I for one wasn't hoping for a domino effect against Europe. I don't agree with the EU and believe the project will ultimately fail but that's up to them. I laugh because Verhofstadt genuinely believes this joke but it's not true. He's following the wrong narrative which ultimately will be his undoing. It's interesting that the examples used, France where a 1/3rd of voters voted for Le Pen the highest figure in history. The Netherlands were Wilders gained votes and seats. Austria were the far right gained their highest ever vote share (46%) in the Presidential run-off and Italy which still has an interim Prime Minister after losing their PM last year because the anti-EU party is forecasted to win. It just doesn't scream United Europe to me. What the fuck is Europe Day anyway? I noticed we've all embraced that here in the UK ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) you can't move for the press reporting community projects rejoicing in some made up peace and unity day that the Liberals are trying to replace VE Day with.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 10, 2017 9:26:46 GMT
I wonder if we will keep this thread going until 2047? There's a fair chance I won't be here then, so I would like to record my thanks for an interesting lively discussion. Do we need to start a thread at some point" Brexit worked out well, some things did not materialise as predicted"( I think that there was a thread to this effect) Or " EU problems with the Euro, Free movement, USSR, bureaucracy, extremism, porous borders and democracy continue"
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 10, 2017 9:55:53 GMT
Play ball, BigJohn. Every, single, tiny little thing that ever goes wrong/is bad from now untill forever shall be entirely, 100% due to Brexit & have absolutely nothing at all to do with anything else imaginable.
... And there is nothing wrong with the EU, nor shall there ever be. It's a perfect Utopia.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 10:01:58 GMT
After seeing that from Guy Verhofstadt I'm wondering if I made the right choice voting leave ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) And to think that Brussels actually listen to that crazy fucking child of loopsville
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 15, 2017 8:18:39 GMT
So that 52% has risen to 68%. Feels about right.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 9:06:04 GMT
I hope those "re leavers" are standing over the remainers ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 10:30:18 GMT
A little reminder
wish he'd take a nasal spray tho
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Post by oggyoggy on May 15, 2017 13:19:31 GMT
Play ball, BigJohn. Every, single, tiny little thing that ever goes wrong/is bad from now untill forever shall be entirely, 100% due to Brexit & have absolutely nothing at all to do with anything else imaginable. ... And there is nothing wrong with the EU, nor shall there ever be. It's a perfect Utopia. That's only fair. According to the Sun, the Daily Mail, the Express, UKIP and Tories, In the last 30 years every single tiny little thing that ever went wrong/badly was the fault of immigrants and Brussels. Can't blame then once we leave so perhaps they will blame Brexit instead? It is only fair!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 15, 2017 13:34:50 GMT
Play ball, BigJohn. Every, single, tiny little thing that ever goes wrong/is bad from now untill forever shall be entirely, 100% due to Brexit & have absolutely nothing at all to do with anything else imaginable. ... And there is nothing wrong with the EU, nor shall there ever be. It's a perfect Utopia. That's only fair. According to the Sun, the Daily Mail, the Express, UKIP and Tories, In the last 30 years every single tiny little thing that ever went wrong/badly was the fault of immigrants and Brussels. Can't blame then once we leave so perhaps they will blame Brexit instead? It is only fair! I don't think that's true Oggy. The question of blame was largely ignored until we were actually allowed a referendum.The debate has opened the question " who governs the UK?" " who decides?" Issues such as the BUS, Education, the economy, policing, Housing , immigration etc etc will all remain if we are in or out...i don't think anyone is promising Utopia....far from it, we have major problems in this country, but they are our problems
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 15, 2017 17:39:35 GMT
Any issues with Brexit are obviously the fault of people who voted to Remain.
You have to be thick as pig shit to not realise that.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 15, 2017 18:07:30 GMT
That's only fair. According to the Sun, the Daily Mail, the Express, UKIP and Tories, In the last 30 years every single tiny little thing that ever went wrong/badly was the fault of immigrants and Brussels. Can't blame then once we leave so perhaps they will blame Brexit instead? It is only fair! I don't think that's true Oggy. The question of blame was largely ignored until we were actually allowed a referendum.The debate has opened the question " who governs the UK?" " who decides?" Issues such as the BUS, Education, the economy, policing, Housing , immigration etc etc will all remain if we are in or out...i don't think anyone is promising Utopia....far from it, we have major problems in this country, but they are our problems Lower tax revenue because of Brexit and low taxes for the rich and their multimillionaire companies = less money on all the things you have listed which means they will get worse. The EU didn't cause any of problems, the Tories did and continue to do so because these problems will continue after Brexit. The low taxes for the rich has always been a problem with Tories in power. But the right wing press blame everything on immigrants and Brussels. Every analysis of the right wing press shows that. It got increasingly worse in the period before the referendum. It will be interesting to see who they blame once we leave. No doubt the EU will be at fault for giving us a poor deal and being selfish and looking out for its own interests once May realises she has very few cards to play as she continues to be agressive and burn her bridges on the biggest economic deal ever (I would guess).
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 15, 2017 18:42:20 GMT
I don't think that's true Oggy. The question of blame was largely ignored until we were actually allowed a referendum.The debate has opened the question " who governs the UK?" " who decides?" Issues such as the BUS, Education, the economy, policing, Housing , immigration etc etc will all remain if we are in or out...i don't think anyone is promising Utopia....far from it, we have major problems in this country, but they are our problems Lower tax revenue because of Brexit and low taxes for the rich and their multimillionaire companies = less money on all the things you have listed which means they will get worse. The EU didn't cause any of problems, the Tories did and continue to do so because these problems will continue after Brexit. The low taxes for the rich has always been a problem with Tories in power. But the right wing press blame everything on immigrants and Brussels. Every analysis of the right wing press shows that. It got increasingly worse in the period before the referendum. It will be interesting to see who they blame once we leave. No doubt the EU will be at fault for giving us a poor deal and being selfish and looking out for its own interests once May realises she has very few cards to play as she continues to be agressive and burn her bridges on the biggest economic deal ever (I would guess). I don't think that is true, it's simply what you want to believe because you cannot accept the result of the referendum
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Post by oggyoggy on May 15, 2017 21:49:31 GMT
Lower tax revenue because of Brexit and low taxes for the rich and their multimillionaire companies = less money on all the things you have listed which means they will get worse. The EU didn't cause any of problems, the Tories did and continue to do so because these problems will continue after Brexit. The low taxes for the rich has always been a problem with Tories in power. But the right wing press blame everything on immigrants and Brussels. Every analysis of the right wing press shows that. It got increasingly worse in the period before the referendum. It will be interesting to see who they blame once we leave. No doubt the EU will be at fault for giving us a poor deal and being selfish and looking out for its own interests once May realises she has very few cards to play as she continues to be agressive and burn her bridges on the biggest economic deal ever (I would guess). I don't think that is true, it's simply what you want to believe because you cannot accept the result of the referendum I cannot accept the result of the referendum but it doesn't make any of what I have said untrue. It certainly is not what I want to believe! I wish we were going to come out better in 2 years. But more tory cuts and less money in the economy are the last 2 things we need. Let's hope I am wrong and that by leaving the biggest free trading market on earth so we can become the leaders of free trade makes far more sense than it sounds! With every leave promise broken I remain less convinced about leaving the EU than ever before. Getting rid of enshrined workers rights cannot be a positive for workers. Getting rid of enshrined product liability, competition laws and consumer protection laws cannot be a positive for consumers. Getting rid of enshrined environmental protections cannot be a positive for the environment. Etc etc etc. But maybe I am wrong about that and less protections for workers, consumers and the environment is good for everyday us.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 11:56:15 GMT
Veteran left winger supports uk claim on eu assets link
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Post by mrcoke on May 16, 2017 15:22:15 GMT
I don't think that is true, it's simply what you want to believe because you cannot accept the result of the referendum I cannot accept the result of the referendum but it doesn't make any of what I have said untrue. It certainly is not what I want to believe! I wish we were going to come out better in 2 years. But more tory cuts and less money in the economy are the last 2 things we need. Let's hope I am wrong and that by leaving the biggest free trading market on earth so we can become the leaders of free trade makes far more sense than it sounds! With every leave promise broken I remain less convinced about leaving the EU than ever before. Getting rid of enshrined workers rights cannot be a positive for workers. Getting rid of enshrined product liability, competition laws and consumer protection laws cannot be a positive for consumers. Getting rid of enshrined environmental protections cannot be a positive for the environment. Etc etc etc. But maybe I am wrong about that and less protections for workers, consumers and the environment is good for everyday us. What is the point of being a member of a free trade market that is stagnant and we have a massive trade deficit. There is no wonder Europe doesn't want us to leave; apart from the UK's massive net contribution to the costs, they are gaining a massive amount in trade balance. fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/ The sooner we are out and trading with the growing world markets more like China, USA, India etc. the better off as a nation we will be. Everything that has happened since the vote makes me believe the country made the right decision to leave and a lot of the population agree with me : www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4509284/Just-one-five-want-stay-EU.html
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 15:35:59 GMT
I cannot accept the result of the referendum but it doesn't make any of what I have said untrue. It certainly is not what I want to believe! I wish we were going to come out better in 2 years. But more tory cuts and less money in the economy are the last 2 things we need. Let's hope I am wrong and that by leaving the biggest free trading market on earth so we can become the leaders of free trade makes far more sense than it sounds! With every leave promise broken I remain less convinced about leaving the EU than ever before. Getting rid of enshrined workers rights cannot be a positive for workers. Getting rid of enshrined product liability, competition laws and consumer protection laws cannot be a positive for consumers. Getting rid of enshrined environmental protections cannot be a positive for the environment. Etc etc etc. But maybe I am wrong about that and less protections for workers, consumers and the environment is good for everyday us. What is the point of being a member of a free trade market that is stagnant and we have a massive trade deficit. There is no wonder Europe doesn't want us to leave; apart from the UK's massive net contribution to the costs, they are gaining a massive amount in trade balance. fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/ The sooner we are out and trading with the growing world markets more like China, USA, India etc. the better off as a nation we will be. Everything that has happened since the vote makes me believe the country made the right decision to leave and a lot of the population agree with me : www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4509284/Just-one-five-want-stay-EU.htmlThe points you are missing is that leaving the E.U. doesn't mean we won't try and sell 50% of our exports there? Secondly, being in the E .U. has never stopped Germany being probably the greatest exporter in the world. Staying or leaving guarantees nothing either way.
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Post by mrcoke on May 16, 2017 15:58:01 GMT
What is the point of being a member of a free trade market that is stagnant and we have a massive trade deficit. There is no wonder Europe doesn't want us to leave; apart from the UK's massive net contribution to the costs, they are gaining a massive amount in trade balance. fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/ The sooner we are out and trading with the growing world markets more like China, USA, India etc. the better off as a nation we will be. Everything that has happened since the vote makes me believe the country made the right decision to leave and a lot of the population agree with me : www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4509284/Just-one-five-want-stay-EU.htmlThe points you are missing is that leaving the E.U. doesn't mean we won't try and sell 50% of our exports there? Secondly, being in the E .U. has never stopped Germany being probably the greatest exporter in the world. Staying or leaving guarantees nothing either way. Of course not, I never said we wouldn't continue to trade with anyone who wants to buy our goods. You are right Germany is a major exporter, not the biggest but major in the sense of exporting far more of their GDP. However there is a significant difference between Germany (and France, Italy etc.) most of their exports are to other EU countries, unlike UK where most of our exports are to counties outside the UK. Furthermore the trend is increasing, see my attachment above, uk-eu-trade. There's more: Germany continues to grow at an impressive rate (like the UK) largely due to large immigration (like the UK), but other EU countries are mainly stagnant. and have growing trade deficits with Germany. This is not sustainable. Historically trade imbalances were "corrected" by the value of currency. This cannot happen in the Euro zone and eventually parts of the EU are going to financially collapse. Greece probably being the favourite at the moment, and having to be propped up by loans it can never afford to repay. Leaving the EU will allow us to establish better trading terms with the rest of the world, who are our larger trading customers. As you say nothing is guaranteed, but you have to follow the logic. The EU dream is just that, a dream, and like communism just impracticable. Nations want to protect their sovereignty, or increase self determination not lose it.
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 16, 2017 15:59:15 GMT
Play ball, BigJohn. Every, single, tiny little thing that ever goes wrong/is bad from now untill forever shall be entirely, 100% due to Brexit & have absolutely nothing at all to do with anything else imaginable. ... And there is nothing wrong with the EU, nor shall there ever be. It's a perfect Utopia. Like the price of food going up. This was a problem way before Brexit, because I was getting miles less value for money 6 or 7 years ago than before(think they put it down to rising fuel costs). Food wasn't dirt cheap before the referendum and then sky high, but that's how they paint it.
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Post by essexstokey on May 16, 2017 16:23:51 GMT
Play ball, BigJohn. Every, single, tiny little thing that ever goes wrong/is bad from now untill forever shall be entirely, 100% due to Brexit & have absolutely nothing at all to do with anything else imaginable. ... And there is nothing wrong with the EU, nor shall there ever be. It's a perfect Utopia. Like the price of food going up. This was a problem way before Brexit, because I was getting miles less value for money 6 or 7 years ago than before(think they put it down to rising fuel costs). Food wasn't dirt cheap before the referendum and then sky high, but that's how they paint it. Ok inflation isn't going up and brexit hasn't effected this ok in Sainsbury's bread has increased by 33% in 2 months (own brand) and other products have either been reduced in size or gone up by 15-30p or more the same has happened at other supermarkets this is because food, raw materials have come from outside the uk and the pound is low against other currencies as this continues towards and after Brexit inflation will go up while wages are freezed this means in real term a cut in the standard of living. Prices going up she has now clue how to help out people (just watched her in stoke avoid the question YOU CANT TRUST THE TORIES!!
The conservatives putting the con in politics!!Can see why the Tories are stage managing her, she stutters and cant express herself you can see why chicken may wont debate she's weak and unstable
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Post by harryburrows on May 16, 2017 18:58:41 GMT
Like the price of food going up. This was a problem way before Brexit, because I was getting miles less value for money 6 or 7 years ago than before(think they put it down to rising fuel costs). Food wasn't dirt cheap before the referendum and then sky high, but that's how they paint it. Ok inflation isn't going up and brexit hasn't effected this ok in Sainsbury's bread has increased by 33% in 2 months (own brand) and other products have either been reduced in size or gone up by 15-30p or more the same has happened at other supermarkets this is because food, raw materials have come from outside the uk and the pound is low against other currencies as this continues towards and after Brexit inflation will go up while wages are freezed this means in real term a cut in the standard of living. Prices going up she has now clue how to help out people (just watched her in stoke avoid the question YOU CANT TRUST THE TORIES!!
The conservatives putting the con in politics!!Can see why the Tories are stage managing her, she stutters and cant express herself you can see why chicken may wont debate she's week and unstable So maybe we will stop finally buying wheat from Ukraine and milk from Poland and take care of U.K. Farmers
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