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Post by amathus on May 4, 2016 10:44:48 GMT
A lot of talk has surfaced in recent weeks about how the likes of Ranieri and Pochettino have changed the club culture by implementing a 'winning' mentality and togetherness etc etc. Southampton seem to have this and continued much where they left off from being promoted from League 1, Championship and now established Top 10 team - despite the change in management along the way.
Do you think our recent history of being mid-table 'also rans' will prohibit our chances to change our own culture? Does the team/club accept this as our fate and it's a mental blocker from us to achieve more. Can Hughes change that? How much impacts on points tally does a club culture really have?
Before everyone jumps on me, i'm not criticising our current position or our track record. Just curious if anyone has a view on this.
With whats happened to Leicester i suspect many clubs will be asking themselves these same questions.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 4, 2016 10:48:16 GMT
To the best of my knowledge there isn't anything intrinsically flawed with Stoke's club culture. There will always be behind the scenes friction they aren't always all going to be best mates.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 10:48:41 GMT
It's a great point you raise mate and it will be a very interesting debate.
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Post by amathus on May 4, 2016 11:06:27 GMT
Sure we dont know what Hughes is really like behind the scenes but the Klopp's, Ranieri's, Pochettino's and Koeman's (and at 1 point Mourinho) of this world our full of infectious enthusiasm and positivity.
Perhaps this positivity is what invokes up that team spirit and club culture?
It could be argued against of course, just look at Martinez at the moment...
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Post by foxysgloves on May 4, 2016 18:46:44 GMT
I think our club culture has been pretty bloody amazingly brilliant over the last decade.
Promotion, consolidation, cup runs and top ten finishes certainly makes me think Hughes his team and, previously, Pulis got more right than wrong.
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Post by PotterLog on May 4, 2016 19:37:55 GMT
I think our club culture has been pretty bloody amazingly brilliant over the last decade. Promotion, consolidation, cup runs and top ten finishes certainly makes me think Hughes his team and, previously, Pulis got more right than wrong. It's all a far cry from the days of, erm, Foxy's gloves...
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Post by foxysgloves on May 4, 2016 21:13:23 GMT
I think our club culture has been pretty bloody amazingly brilliant over the last decade. Promotion, consolidation, cup runs and top ten finishes certainly makes me think Hughes his team and, previously, Pulis got more right than wrong. It's all a far cry from the days of, erm, Foxy's gloves... Haha!!! Proven innocent. Innocentish....
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Post by Fenparkpotter on May 4, 2016 21:16:11 GMT
Big fan! My favourite is "Chameleon Karma"
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 4, 2016 21:40:45 GMT
The individuals that amathus lists all come across as having a 'character' all of their own and this comes across publicly. Assuming that this is conveyed across to the players naturally then there is a 'culture' reflected in the team and club based on the individual. I'm not suggesting MH wears a pointy hat and lets off party poppers but maybe a degree of informality mixed with rigour and rules brings the best out of individuals. Therefore a culture. Tenuous but just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 23:00:50 GMT
I know if you don't believe that you can win you won't.
If you think they are better than you might as well not turn up, playing an altered game to suit a supposed better opposition will never let you perform at your best. You have to play the way you know.
We are in the prem , ergo we are good enough to play in the prem and compete against the other teams, if we weren't we would not have gained promotion or would now be relegated.
Shaq, Arni, Bojan, Affelay Imbula and Butland could play in any team in the prem they might not be first choice but they would not be out of place. They need to blend into a team and believe how good we all know they are. That's down to MH ofc but easier to sell with good results.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 1:19:14 GMT
I think our club culture has been pretty bloody amazingly brilliant over the last decade. Promotion, consolidation, cup runs and top ten finishes certainly makes me think Hughes his team and, previously, Pulis got more right than wrong. Bang on, Hughes is always looking positive and forwards in his comments. Can't criticise the mentality, only the occasional shit performance!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 10:08:17 GMT
I think our club culture has been pretty bloody amazingly brilliant over the last decade. Promotion, consolidation, cup runs and top ten finishes certainly makes me think Hughes his team and, previously, Pulis got more right than wrong. Bang on, Hughes is always looking positive and forwards in his comments. Can't criticise the mentality, only the occasional shit performance! How he comes across to the media and to his players will be two different things. I do however think he's a winner, he will hate losing games, even now with nothing to play for.
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Post by NassauDave on May 5, 2016 11:02:08 GMT
When Ian Holloway was at Leicester I have this image of training being done to the Benny Hill theme.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 5, 2016 11:32:06 GMT
A lot of talk has surfaced in recent weeks about how the likes of Ranieri and Pochettino have changed the club culture by implementing a 'winning' mentality and togetherness etc etc. Southampton seem to have this and continued much where they left off from being promoted from League 1, Championship and now established Top 10 team - despite the change in management along the way. Do you think our recent history of being mid-table 'also rans' will prohibit our chances to change our own culture? Does the team/club accept this as our fate and it's a mental blocker from us to achieve more. Can Hughes change that? How much impacts on points tally does a club culture really have? Before everyone jumps on me, i'm not criticising our current position or our track record. Just curious if anyone has a view on this. With whats happened to Leicester i suspect many clubs will be asking themselves these same questions. The salient point is surely where you set your sights. And then organising your resources and developing a "culture" that you think will deliver. If you think back to days of Pulis sights were always firmly set on 40 points (and still are wherever he seems to go) - and organisation and cutlure ois geared to that - and low and behold that's what you get give or take. "Can Do" is "Can stay up". A club like Stoke, and I guess Hughes - are conditioned in to thinking Top 4 is impossible, Top 6 an outside chance and Top 10 achievable. Guess what we achieve. I don't think for a millisecond Ranieri set out to win the league (his £5m bonus for doing so was surely a joke wasn't it??) . However he clearly changed his targets and strategy quite quickly once survival was assured at an early stage and dared to think the impossible. Good for him - but at the end of his career rather than the beginning he could afford to go balls out and ride his luck. Pchetino (at Southampton more than Spurs) and Bilic have both been great - however I think that I think that for most clubs avoiding relegation is a far higher priority than seeing how far you can go - cautious starts for the most part mean cautious finishes - and that then becomes ingrained into the "culture" of the organisation.
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