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Post by ryan4england on Apr 30, 2016 22:59:08 GMT
massive summer ahead, has to get it right in recruitment, get the right type of players in (steel) and imo we could go 3 steps forward but continue to buy good 'footballers' and we'll do the same next season if we're luck. I think it's a bit harsh to judge Imbula yet until he's had a preseason with the club, I think he'll end up the player he looked in his first game. if we have a 30 mil budget, some hardware would be good, a solid centre half (defender) like Scott Dann and an Andros Townsend who is direct and can play both sides, what a goal by him today aswell I think we missed a trick there in January, sadly it looks like they might stay up but hopefully they go down so we could get him in summer. Hughes for me needs to mix it up more often because he seems to be under the impression his preferred setup will come good often enough but we are predictable Good post we need some backbone in the team, a proper CB hopefully with Ryan if not we need two, a fast direct winger if Arnie goes two, Joselu out new striker in, decent back up goalkeeper, a combative midfielder to replace Glen, Muniesa out injury prone, Wilson out mistake prone, Tex no point, Shaq not sure he is what we need, Ireland no point, Given out to old, Hagard not good enough yet back up for Johnson injury prone, Odem Finished at this level out deployment of different game plans and decent substitutions, apart from that we are fine easily 6 or 7 we should be looking to move on in the summer for different reasons, I think he struggles to know his best 11 as our whole squad are established pros with the intention to do well in all competitions. Really I think we need to have a nucleus of say 17 or so seasoned pros that are the main core of the team and the rest made up of not so senior players with high potential that drop in for cup games and drops in senior players form, injuries etc. He's rotated this season not just for injuries but to try and keep the whole squad happy but the consistency has suffered as a result. We can't expect to be consistent if we don't have a consistent balanced team. I'd put cup winning thoughts on the back seat for a while, ship out the deadwood, limit buying injury prone players, bring in some quality youth as fringe players and concentrate on getting the style right, league performances to a high consistent standard and then look at the cups
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 30, 2016 23:10:30 GMT
It's all fair enough, it's just a shame that some put dramatically higher expectations on this manager than they ever had for the last one. And seem to want to give the old manager credit for any success the current one achieves. 'Build his own team' my arse. The last manager for all his faults loved being Stoke manager, was one of ,if not the, most successful Stoke managers of all time and ensured 99% of the time that team gave their all...you keep saying that "give the old manager credit" are you stupid? Did we not have the same conversation in the last week or so which resulted in me giving credit to Hughes for our progression? No my bad..of course your clouded and quite frankly dim understanding refuses to acknowledge me praising Hughes which I have done today, and in our prior conversation, furthermore, I never said build his own "team" I said "spine" he has yet to prove he can bring in the solidarity and characters to have a solid yet expansive side...here lies the next test.. That doesn't explain why your expectations are higher now than they ever used to be. Why did you never expect us to 'stroll into the top 7' before, when we had a bigger budget and things were, apparently, so much better? This shit about 'loved being Stoke manager' and '99% of the time'. It was a job. He certainly had no residual affection when he was jumping up and down trying to get our players sent off this season did he? This '99%' was missing for a good chunk of his last two seasons as well. Funny how selective the memory can be... Spine/team, what's the difference? What do you want him to do, bin off Butland and Shawcross and anyone he didn't sign? How can he 'prove' anything in the way you want him to? He's taken this one to new heights even in an indifferent season, that's worth something surely?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 30, 2016 23:12:21 GMT
Our season has been fucked by injuries but we've reached a cup semi final and lost on penalties and we will still finish top 10. A frustrating season especially at home More excuses ! top ten possibly or is that halfway ? £40 million on transfers alone and we are arguably worse then last season, I am sure the Coates family will be carrying out an autopsy on this season not very positive is it ? What are your expectations for next season Carps? What would denote a good season next season for you, one that would give you no complaints?
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Post by musik on Apr 30, 2016 23:14:48 GMT
Wow what a difference. Was certainly no perfect performance, but we looked like an completely different team than in past weeks. Why? Because Hughes looked at the opposition, looked at how we've been playing, and picked a team and a system to win today's match. The biggest difference was we met a shit team.
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Post by riponstokie on Apr 30, 2016 23:16:10 GMT
So far he's bought flair players left right and centre, but yet to find the characters and quality defensive players like Pulis managed to..that's a challenge Hughes needs to overcome..it's funny as with the likes of you and pugsley the whole selective memory thing is very real..I have admired Pulis made mistakes, and his poor spending of money in previous seasons bit him in the arse..however you and pugs seem to forget what Pulis did for this club? You remember the flaws and faults but what about the good?
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Post by riponstokie on Apr 30, 2016 23:16:44 GMT
Wow what a difference. Was certainly no perfect performance, but we looked like an completely different team than in past weeks. Why? Because Hughes looked at the opposition, looked at how we've been playing, and picked a team and a system to win today's match. The biggest difference was we met a shit team. But seeing some hunger and desire as well as a game plan was very refreshing
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 30, 2016 23:19:05 GMT
So far he's bought flair players left right and centre, but yet to find the characters and quality defensive players like Pulis managed to..that's a challenge Hughes needs to overcome..it's funny as with the likes of you and pugsley the whole selective memory thing is very real..I have admired Pulis made mistakes, and his poor spending of money in previous seasons bit him in the arse..however you and pugs seem to forget what Pulis did for this club? You remember the flaws and faults but what about the good? I haven't forgotten anything. I was a huge fan of his and defended him to the hilt on here until he lost the plot. The football we played in the second half of 2010-11 was the best I've seen us consistently play, which was why I was so gutted he went out of his way to dismantle that set up and go with something more reductive at much greater cost.
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Post by riponstokie on Apr 30, 2016 23:24:59 GMT
So far he's bought flair players left right and centre, but yet to find the characters and quality defensive players like Pulis managed to..that's a challenge Hughes needs to overcome..it's funny as with the likes of you and pugsley the whole selective memory thing is very real..I have admired Pulis made mistakes, and his poor spending of money in previous seasons bit him in the arse..however you and pugs seem to forget what Pulis did for this club? You remember the flaws and faults but what about the good? I haven't forgotten anything. I was a huge fan of his and defended him to the hilt on here until he lost the plot. The football we played in the second half of 2010-11 was the best I've seen us consistently play, which was why I was so gutted he went out of his way to dismantle that set up and go with something more reductive at much greater cost. Then why do you seem to actively criticise him now? I'm not doubting you used to back him, but just hold your opinion and acknowledge his flaws, as I do with him and Hughes. I have a lot of respect for TP and think tactically Hughes is a way behind him, but I respect both and although Hughes has got a way to go to get close to TP I'm desperate for him to take us to the next level, as it is very realistic. Just a shame we didn't make a step this season, as it has been a real opportunity.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2016 23:26:37 GMT
Whack it long to Crouch. I haven't missed it at all. Today was still shit, let's not dress it up. It was better but we definitely lucky with the goal and Cameron's hand ball.
We defended much better but still made some silly big errors.
And we still created very little.
The fact he had to go back to long ball should raise more questions than answers imo. It wasn't about the opposition it was about the way he wants to play not being an option with what he has. And outfield wise barring Johnson what I think is our best XI is fit. And we still went back to whacking it long. Interesting times ahead.
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Post by riponstokie on Apr 30, 2016 23:29:56 GMT
Whack it long to Crouch. I haven't missed it at all. Today was still shit, let's not dress it up. It was better but we definitely lucky with the goal and Cameron's hand ball. We defended much better but still made some silly big errors. And we still created very little. The fact he had to go back to long ball should raise more questions than answers imo. It wasn't about the opposition it was about the way he wants to play not being an option with what he has. And outfield wise barring Johnson what I think is our best XI is fit. And we still went back to whacking it long. Interesting times ahead. But we needed a result, and he played a way that got one...would be nice to back to outplaying teams, but we can't always do that and need to have a good balance...as you say, very interesting times ahead and a huge summer where we need to make so pivotal signings
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2016 23:35:50 GMT
Whack it long to Crouch. I haven't missed it at all. Today was still shit, let's not dress it up. It was better but we definitely lucky with the goal and Cameron's hand ball. We defended much better but still made some silly big errors. And we still created very little. The fact he had to go back to long ball should raise more questions than answers imo. It wasn't about the opposition it was about the way he wants to play not being an option with what he has. And outfield wise barring Johnson what I think is our best XI is fit. And we still went back to whacking it long. Interesting times ahead. But we needed a result, and he played a way that got one...would be nice to back to outplaying teams, but we can't always do that and need to have a good balance...as you say, very interesting times ahead and a huge summer where we need to make so pivotal signings We did and he had to abandon what he does. As I said I think it raises more questions than answers.
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Post by riponstokie on Apr 30, 2016 23:37:20 GMT
But we needed a result, and he played a way that got one...would be nice to back to outplaying teams, but we can't always do that and need to have a good balance...as you say, very interesting times ahead and a huge summer where we need to make so pivotal signings We did and he had to abandon what he does. As I said I think it raises more questions than answers. True..but I think rather than it leading to a questioning of his whole philosophy, I'd like to see him being able to change when and when not to play football and when to mix it
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2016 23:40:32 GMT
We did and he had to abandon what he does. As I said I think it raises more questions than answers. True..but I think rather than it leading to a questioning of his whole philosophy, I'd like to see him being able to change when and when not to play football and when to mix it Me too but just not with Crouch and I'd like not to watch Adam either tbh. And it just doesn't question his tactics but his transfers too.
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Post by riponstokie on Apr 30, 2016 23:41:52 GMT
True..but I think rather than it leading to a questioning of his whole philosophy, I'd like to see him being able to change when and when not to play football and when to mix it Me too but just not with Crouch and I'd like not to watch Adam either tbh. And it just doesn't question his tactics but his transfers too. To be perfectly honest, found it refreshing seeing a player hungry to get on the ball and effect the game where we've looked the opposite recently..but yes this summer is huge
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2016 23:44:51 GMT
Me too but just not with Crouch and I'd like not to watch Adam either tbh. And it just doesn't question his tactics but his transfers too. To be perfectly honest, found it refreshing seeing a player hungry to get on the ball and effect the game where we've looked the opposite recently..but yes this summer is huge He played well I'm not questioning that but we've just signed a bloke for 18m quid and it should be him doing that. And there's a bloke on the bench (no idea why he was) who's the best attacking midfielder we have by a mile and he can't buy a game. This season can't end soon enough.
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Post by riponstokie on Apr 30, 2016 23:46:19 GMT
To be perfectly honest, found it refreshing seeing a player hungry to get on the ball and effect the game where we've looked the opposite recently..but yes this summer is huge He played well I'm not questioning that but we've just signed a bloke for 18m quid and it should be him doing that. And there's a bloke on the bench (no idea why he was) who's the best attacking midfielder we have by a mile and he can't buy a game. This season can't end soon enough. You raise very good points..I think some players need a pre season, some need to be moved on and some need to be brought in..busy summer ahead which will play a huge role in the manager's future as well as our own
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2016 23:51:06 GMT
He played well I'm not questioning that but we've just signed a bloke for 18m quid and it should be him doing that. And there's a bloke on the bench (no idea why he was) who's the best attacking midfielder we have by a mile and he can't buy a game. This season can't end soon enough. You raise very good points..I think some players need a pre season, some need to be moved on and some need to be brought in..busy summer ahead which will play a huge role in the manager's future as well as our own Will he buy a striker he actually likes? Will he finally buy a third winger? Will he a buy a centre half that can defend? Find out in the next season of Stoke City. Exciting.......
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 1, 2016 1:24:38 GMT
Hughes shows his desparation more like - went all Pulis-like to get a result and it ultimately failed and let the uber twat Allerdyce waddle off with a gob fUll of Wrigleys and a fat smile.........unforgivable - this season has been the very worst in the Prem so far in enjoyment terms and given the money spent and injuries notwithstanding, a huge disappointment for me......
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 1, 2016 4:58:02 GMT
I haven't forgotten anything. I was a huge fan of his and defended him to the hilt on here until he lost the plot. The football we played in the second half of 2010-11 was the best I've seen us consistently play, which was why I was so gutted he went out of his way to dismantle that set up and go with something more reductive at much greater cost. Then why do you seem to actively criticise him now? I'm not doubting you used to back him, but just hold your opinion and acknowledge his flaws, as I do with him and Hughes. I have a lot of respect for TP and think tactically Hughes is a way behind him, but I respect both and although Hughes has got a way to go to get close to TP I'm desperate for him to take us to the next level, as it is very realistic. Just a shame we didn't make a step this season, as it has been a real opportunity. I criticise him because he had the chance to take us to the next level and made a complete mess of it for no reason other than his own fear of expectation. And because there are people on here who won't accept he was the architect of his own downfall. You still haven't explained how Hughes has managed to consistently finish higher up the table with a lower budget if he's so far behind Pulis, or why you expect so much more from him despite not rating him as highly?
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Post by milky on May 1, 2016 6:21:49 GMT
I haven't forgotten anything. I was a huge fan of his and defended him to the hilt on here until he lost the plot. The football we played in the second half of 2010-11 was the best I've seen us consistently play, which was why I was so gutted he went out of his way to dismantle that set up and go with something more reductive at much greater cost. Then why do you seem to actively criticise him now? I'm not doubting you used to back him, but just hold your opinion and acknowledge his flaws, as I do with him and Hughes. I have a lot of respect for TP and think tactically Hughes is a way behind him, but I respect both and although Hughes has got a way to go to get close to TP I'm desperate for him to take us to the next level, as it is very realistic. Just a shame we didn't make a step this season, as it has been a real opportunity. Hughes is way behind TP tactically? I'm sorry but I nearly choked laughing when I read that. Can you explain why that is ? If,as I suspect, you're going to say that we were more solid and harder to beat under Pulis then how come in his 3 seasons Hughes has accumulated more points than the other fella managed? Also if you take away the recent aberration the goals conceded column isn't much different between the two despite Hughes not playing a "back 8",allowing full backs over the half way line and attempting to win away games. If trying to protect a 0-0 and hope something drops from a set piece is your cup of tea then that's your perogative. Not for me though and ill take the odd hammering here and there for not having to go back there. Way behind TP tactically. .that made me laugh
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 6:34:21 GMT
I haven't forgotten anything. I was a huge fan of his and defended him to the hilt on here until he lost the plot. The football we played in the second half of 2010-11 was the best I've seen us consistently play, which was why I was so gutted he went out of his way to dismantle that set up and go with something more reductive at much greater cost. Then why do you seem to actively criticise him now? I'm not doubting you used to back him, but just hold your opinion and acknowledge his flaws, as I do with him and Hughes. I have a lot of respect for TP and think tactically Hughes is a way behind him, but I respect both and although Hughes has got a way to go to get close to TP I'm desperate for him to take us to the next level, as it is very realistic. Just a shame we didn't make a step this season, as it has been a real opportunity. Very good. Like curry to a pophead this one, or a rat trap laced with peanut butter.
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Post by jeycov on May 1, 2016 7:36:08 GMT
It's nearly May and he hasn't got a clue what his best 11 is. Plus to stop the slide he's had to return to players like Crouch and Adam. And it nearly (should have) worked. We need a squad that offers different options. However the dilemma is there are lots of advantages of having a settled side
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Post by Pugsley on May 1, 2016 7:50:51 GMT
Stoke supporters still think the hardest part of the game is to defend. It isn't, it's scoring goals, creating chances, breaking down stubborn defences. This is where Hughes has improved us over the 3 years he has been at the club.
It's disappointing that lately the manager hasn't got the balance right, whether through injuries or tactics (probably both) and results have suffered as a consequence. No doubt that we need players in the summer but we have to be careful about making too many changes at once.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 8:02:26 GMT
Congratulating Hughes for getting a point against a relegation threatened Sunderland?
We still can't close out games, not good enough. Hope Sparky isn't giving himself a pat on the back for yesterday's result.
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Post by lordb on May 1, 2016 8:07:16 GMT
massive summer ahead, has to get it right in recruitment, get the right type of players in (steel) and imo we could go 3 steps forward but continue to buy good 'footballers' and we'll do the same next season if we're lucky. I think it's a bit harsh to judge Imbula yet until he's had a preseason with the club, I think he'll end up the player he looked in his first game. if we have a 30 mil budget, some hardware would be good, a solid centre half (defender) like Scott Dann and an Andros Townsend who is direct and can play both sides, what a goal by him today aswell I think we missed a trick there in January, sadly it looks like they might stay up but hopefully they go down so we could get him in summer. Hughes for me needs to mix it up more often because he seems to be under the impression his preferred setup will come good often enough but we are predictable 'If we have a £30m budget' Every club in the division will have at least £40m to spend.
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Post by lordb on May 1, 2016 8:12:33 GMT
Stoke supporters still think the hardest part of the game is to defend. It isn't, it's scoring goals, creating chances, breaking down stubborn defences. This is where Hughes has improved us over the 3 years he has been at the club. It's disappointing that lately the manager hasn't got the balance right, whether through injuries or tactics (probably both) and results have suffered as a consequence. No doubt that we need players in the summer but we have to be careful about making too many changes at once. We don't score more goals though do we? It's far better to watch overall (not always though) and away games are not the predictable chore they were however we still don't make lots of chances and still don't score many. I do think that Hughes has proven his ability to sign good players and would expect a better season next time. Injuries have to get better,surely?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 1, 2016 8:38:37 GMT
Stoke supporters still think the hardest part of the game is to defend. It isn't, it's scoring goals, creating chances, breaking down stubborn defences. This is where Hughes has improved us over the 3 years he has been at the club. It's disappointing that lately the manager hasn't got the balance right, whether through injuries or tactics (probably both) and results have suffered as a consequence. No doubt that we need players in the summer but we have to be careful about making too many changes at once. Has he? For 2 seasons now we've generally struggled to create and break sides down. When we click we can but its very rare. It's the one side I think needs massive improvement on. We don't seem to have a pattern of play and the front players don't seem to have a connection. That needs to change.
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Post by crapslinger on May 1, 2016 8:47:19 GMT
More excuses ! top ten possibly or is that halfway ? £40 million on transfers alone and we are arguably worse then last season, I am sure the Coates family will be carrying out an autopsy on this season not very positive is it ? What are your expectations for next season Carps? What would denote a good season next season for you, one that would give you no complaints? To be better than the last, constant improvement, investment in the right areas not selling our best players and replacing them with inferior quality, pretty much what all managers should be doing.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 1, 2016 9:11:15 GMT
What are your expectations for next season Carps? What would denote a good season next season for you, one that would give you no complaints? To be better than the last, constant improvement, investment in the right areas not selling our best players and replacing them with inferior quality, pretty much what all managers should be doing. But you can accept that things aren't going to be perfect 100% of the time, right?
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Post by crapslinger on May 1, 2016 9:18:12 GMT
To be better than the last, constant improvement, investment in the right areas not selling our best players and replacing them with inferior quality, pretty much what all managers should be doing. But you can accept that things aren't going to be perfect 100% of the time, right? Correct that is perfection which is impossible, no body expects perfection just improvement, would you agree that we have regressed this season ?
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