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Post by muglump on Apr 28, 2016 12:49:12 GMT
Can't see him going I don't think they are enough of an improvement on us for him to up sticks. He is in the middle of something with us and would kind of have to start again there. What would worry me more is lot of our players going with him and us having to start again. Mind you, when the Toon go down we could have Benitez
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 28, 2016 12:51:21 GMT
Whatever we may think, Everton are a bigger club than us, and the new owner's promise of millions may tempt Hughes. It is still near enough to his Cheshire home and he did play for them. He has walked out on clubs before (Fulham) at a moment's notice and, if this recent drop off is a symptom of a wider malaise, then he may do so again. I am very worried he may decide to head to Everton if the chance arose.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 28, 2016 12:51:23 GMT
I think it does play a role with some, doesn't with others. The prestige of signing for a big club with potential is there. There's a range of factors that make them an attractive proposition. Also, even if they do lose all three of Stones, Barkley and Lukaku (which I don't think they will. Stones yes, one or two of the others maybe but not both), they still have players like Coleman, Besic, McCarthy, Mirallas, Lennon, Deulofeu and a lot of promising youth players to build around. I'll give you Besic and Deulofeu but Mirallas will be out asap, he's wanted out pretty much since he got there saying he'll stay every year if they can get european football which hasn't happened and they've gone downhill since. Coleman (whislt being damn good) is injured every other week, Lennon is nearly 30 now so i'd imagine even they will be looking at someone younger for long term and McCarthy is bang average this season. Last year he was damn good but not even close to the same this year. Stones and Lukaku are reported targets for Chelsea and will both be off and i can't see Barkley turning down anything if an offer comes in. as my best mate (bluenose unfortunately for him) said, they're not just worried that they can't impress any big new names to come in, they're also worried then can't even impress who they've still got anymore. All of those players would do well for us though mate, that's the point. At 30, that's still a couple of useful years for Lennon. McCarthy would walk into our midfield. Are Chelsea really going to stump up the £80m it would cost to take both Stones and Lukaku? Lukaku in particular is going to cost someone an absolute bomb. With Barkley, who's going to go for him?
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Post by sportsman on Apr 28, 2016 12:53:54 GMT
Whatever we may think, Everton are a bigger club than us, and the new owner's promise of millions may tempt Hughes. It is still near enough to his Cheshire home and he did play for them. He has walked out on clubs before (Fulham) at a moment's notice and, if this recent drop off is a symptom of a wider malaise, then he may do so again. I am very worried he may decide to head to Everton if the chance arose. Where and what has the new owner promised. This new owner that put in bugger all at arsenal and couldn't afford coates' garden shed?
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Post by cousindupree on Apr 28, 2016 12:54:46 GMT
An Everton is a bigger stepping stone for a really big club though. Doing a good job there gets you noticed more than it does here. If Hughes has ambitions to manage at the very top again, this is what he has to consider, but also Euro qualification has to be on Hughes's CV to impress. The longer we go without a Euro campaign the itchier Hughes's feet will get.
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 28, 2016 12:59:16 GMT
Whatever we may think, Everton are a bigger club than us, and the new owner's promise of millions may tempt Hughes. It is still near enough to his Cheshire home and he did play for them. He has walked out on clubs before (Fulham) at a moment's notice and, if this recent drop off is a symptom of a wider malaise, then he may do so again. I am very worried he may decide to head to Everton if the chance arose. Where and what has the new owner promised. This new owner that put in bugger all at arsenal and couldn't afford coates' garden shed? New owner quote: "There is much to be done and things for me to learn, but I can confirm that I have committed to providing additional funds for transfers and retaining our key players to ensure that we have a strong core to build on for the future." He's not exactly gonna say how much, is he? He's a billionaire (the requisite for a PL owner these days), so has the clout if he decides to use it.
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Apr 28, 2016 13:00:39 GMT
the thing that worries the shit out of me is us ending up with Martinez ffs!!!
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2016 13:01:19 GMT
that's the point about Everton though really isn't it mate? to be "Blown out of the water" by a £12mill bid in this day and age???? hardly a massive transfer fee for a "Big" club in the Prem wanting to prove their potential and make a statement of intent is it? They paid £13m for a striker in January. which hardly backs up his point of us only getting Shaq by "Blowing them out of the water" then does it?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2016 13:05:07 GMT
Whatever we may think, Everton are a bigger club than us, and the new owner's promise of millions may tempt Hughes. It is still near enough to his Cheshire home and he did play for them. He has walked out on clubs before (Fulham) at a moment's notice and, if this recent drop off is a symptom of a wider malaise, then he may do so again. I am very worried he may decide to head to Everton if the chance arose. 1) when the new investor came in they stated publicly his investment would be for a new stadium not millions for new players 2) the simple fact is that Everton fans in general really don't like Hughes and haven't for years: just one tweet from an evertonian sums it up "The only conceivable reason for any Evertonian to want Martinez to stay another minute is if Mark Hughes is the alternative. Just no."
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Post by potterblade on Apr 28, 2016 13:05:52 GMT
An Everton is a bigger stepping stone for a really big club though. Doing a good job there gets you noticed more than it does here. Yes but is what constitutes 'a good job' the same at both clubs? You could argue it's easier for Hughes to impress people at Stoke. Lower expectations.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2016 13:06:03 GMT
Where and what has the new owner promised. This new owner that put in bugger all at arsenal and couldn't afford coates' garden shed? New owner quote: "There is much to be done and things for me to learn, but I can confirm that I have committed to providing additional funds for transfers and retaining our key players to ensure that we have a strong core to build on for the future." He's not exactly gonna say how much, is he? He's a billionaire (the requisite for a PL owner these days), so has the clout if he decides to use it. he's not even majority shareholder let alone the owner
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Post by stokefc on Apr 28, 2016 13:06:28 GMT
If Everton were in Europe I think he'd go as it's clear to me that's what Mark Hughes wants. As it is we are very much an unfinished project and still in most people's opinion have a lot of growing room and despite this season being a bit of a set back it's rare for any push for the top to be a continual straight line job. Weather he has the backing of Peter Coates, publicly and financially is the key for me as he certainly has the backing of most Stoke Fans. I hope he stays for a long time he could be the start of a dynasty at Stoke the like we haven't seen since Waddington. if Everton were in Europe Martinez would be staying put and we wouldn,t be having this debate I think he,ll stay for what its worth
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 13:07:33 GMT
this thread has become more of a joke than I intended it to be
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 28, 2016 13:10:00 GMT
Whatever we may think, Everton are a bigger club than us, and the new owner's promise of millions may tempt Hughes. It is still near enough to his Cheshire home and he did play for them. He has walked out on clubs before (Fulham) at a moment's notice and, if this recent drop off is a symptom of a wider malaise, then he may do so again. I am very worried he may decide to head to Everton if the chance arose. 1) when the new investor came in they stated publicly his investment would be for a new stadium not millions for new players 2) the simple fact is that Everton fans in general really don't like Hughes and haven't for years: just one tweet from an evertonian sums it up "The only conceivable reason for any Evertonian to want Martinez to stay another minute is if Mark Hughes is the alternative. Just no." 1. See my other post - okay new shareholder, not owner. 2. When has that ever stopped a club appointing a manager (see TP's 1st and 2nd coming as Stoke boss)?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 28, 2016 13:11:19 GMT
An Everton is a bigger stepping stone for a really big club though. Doing a good job there gets you noticed more than it does here. If Hughes has ambitions to manage at the very top again, this is what he has to consider, but also Euro qualification has to be on Hughes's CV to impress. The longer we go without a Euro campaign the itchier Hughes's feet will get. It would be the defining gamble of his career. Succeed and he has one more shot at the big time. Fail and we're no longer 'lil old Stoke. There would be no emotional Macari like return, no Pulis like return to a familiar pragmatic crutch by the owner. His career would effectively be in tatters and perhaps unfairly QPR would be the focal point of his managerial achievements. For these reasons I don't think he'd go for it. On the other hand he was a world level player at the biggest clubs in the world and I suppose that flame never goes out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 13:15:16 GMT
He only played 18 times for Everton, scoring once - he'd hardly be a returning legend.
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Post by sportsman on Apr 28, 2016 13:29:36 GMT
Where and what has the new owner promised. This new owner that put in bugger all at arsenal and couldn't afford coates' garden shed? New owner quote: "There is much to be done and things for me to learn, but I can confirm that I have committed to providing additional funds for transfers and retaining our key players to ensure that we have a strong core to build on for the future." He's not exactly gonna say how much, is he? He's a billionaire (the requisite for a PL owner these days), so has the clout if he decides to use it. It will take half of his wealth to build a stadium, if they do it. If you ask me its going be funny watching it happen, or not happen.
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Post by StokieNath on Apr 28, 2016 13:54:03 GMT
I'll chew off my bollocks if Leslie joins the scouse rats!
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Post by chrisparker on Apr 28, 2016 14:21:46 GMT
This is starting to get really worrying. The club haven't come out & said anything so far. If Hughes leaves you can expect Bojan, Arnie, Shaq, Imbula to leave within the next 3 months. He's the key asset to all our acquisitions. If he goes then we're back to square one. All this nonsense speculation about Mancini, Benitez & Pellegrini to replace him makes me laugh out loud. We all know that if Hughes leaves, Coates is going to bring in Moyes & then we're back to playing hoofball again.
As people have mentioned here, we took a big gamble on Hughes after that nightmare spell in QPR & it paid off for both him & us. Now that he we're in a difficult spell & he has been approached with a bigger job, will he stick with the people who've trusted him & backed him up until now & fight for the supporters or will he bail?
Stoke to Everton is not much different than Blackburn to Man City.
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Post by nutterpotter on Apr 28, 2016 14:31:36 GMT
This is starting to get really worrying. The club haven't come out & said anything so far. If Hughes leaves you can expect Bojan, Arnie, Shaq, Imbula to leave within the next 3 months. He's the key asset to all our acquisitions. If he goes then we're back to square one. All this nonsense speculation about Mancini, Benitez & Pellegrini to replace him makes me laugh out loud. We all know that if Hughes leaves, Coates is going to bring in Moyes & then we're back to playing hoofball again. As people have mentioned here, we took a big gamble on Hughes after that nightmare spell in QPR & it paid off for both him & us. Now that he we're in a difficult spell & he has been approached with a bigger job, will he stick with the people who've trusted him & backed him up until now & fight for the supporters or will he bail? Stoke to Everton is not much different than Blackburn to Man City. Hughes was only linked with Everton late last night. The club wouldn't say anything so soon. I imagine he'll be asked about it in the press conference tomorrow.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Apr 28, 2016 14:44:54 GMT
the thing that worries the shit out of me is us ending up with Martinez ffs!!! Now that is a worry
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2016 14:49:03 GMT
This is starting to get really worrying. The club haven't come out & said anything so far. If Hughes leaves you can expect Bojan, Arnie, Shaq, Imbula to leave within the next 3 months. He's the key asset to all our acquisitions. If he goes then we're back to square one. All this nonsense speculation about Mancini, Benitez & Pellegrini to replace him makes me laugh out loud. We all know that if Hughes leaves, Coates is going to bring in Moyes & then we're back to playing hoofball again. As people have mentioned here, we took a big gamble on Hughes after that nightmare spell in QPR & it paid off for both him & us. Now that he we're in a difficult spell & he has been approached with a bigger job, will he stick with the people who've trusted him & backed him up until now & fight for the supporters or will he bail? Stoke to Everton is not much different than Blackburn to Man City. 1) Hughes has been the key to us getting them in, but players don't get to just then leave whilst under contract if that manager leaves 2) "We all know that if Hughes leaves Coates is going to bring Moyes in"...do we? how did you find that out exactly???? 3) Stoke to Everton is nothing like going from Blackburn to a club who have just brought in a multi billionaire owner who has promised to rebuild an entire squad with the intent of becoming Prem champions. ludicrous comparison to make you getting really worried appears (from your post) to be based on nothing but 1 newspaper speculating about Everton wanting Hughes and you presuming the rest based on absolutely nothing whatsoever
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Post by Davef on Apr 28, 2016 14:54:36 GMT
It's no wonder this board regularly goes into meltdown when throwaway rumours like this are believed unconditionally.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2016 15:00:08 GMT
It's no wonder this board regularly goes into meltdown when throwaway rumours like this are believed unconditionally. nothing to say they've even spoken to or made any kind of contact at all with Hughes or his reps. in fact the main article talks about how much they want him then the last line says "Hughes could also now be in the frame" after talking about Moyes and Howe (in other words "We're just slinging names around here fellas"). nothing but standard newspaper rumours but people are already talking about a mass exodus of players and who we should get in to replace him
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 28, 2016 15:01:19 GMT
It's no wonder this board regularly goes into meltdown when throwaway rumours like this are believed unconditionally. To be fair, dave it's not from a rumours site, it's on the back page of the two biggest selling papers in the country and at least one of the journo's is quite respected. It might be bullshit but I would imagine there's a flicker of a story in there from one side. It's a strange one just to make up.
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Post by Davef on Apr 28, 2016 15:06:19 GMT
It's no wonder this board regularly goes into meltdown when throwaway rumours like this are believed unconditionally. To be fair, dave it's not from a rumours site, it's on the back page of the two biggest selling papers in the country and at least one of the journo's is quite respected. It might be bullshit but I would imagine there's a flicker of a story in there from one side. It's a strange one just to make up. Fair comment, but I think it's too much of a coincidence that this story broke less than 24 hours after Richard Keys' comments on his website. It certainly shouldn't warrant some of the panic we'd seen on this thread already. My guess is that Hughes will laugh it off at his next press conference - as he's done after several daft stories linking him with jobs over the past year or so.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2016 15:07:30 GMT
It's no wonder this board regularly goes into meltdown when throwaway rumours like this are believed unconditionally. To be fair, dave it's not from a rumours site, it's on the back page of the two biggest selling papers in the country and at least one of the journo's is quite respected. It might be bullshit but I would imagine there's a flicker of a story in there from one side. It's a strange one just to make up. but all it actually says is that Hughes' name has been suggested to the new owner and later says that Moyes and Howe are being linked but Hughes has also won admiring glances because of how well he's done here. hardly the same as "Hughes in talks" kind of a story is it? Moyes' and Howe's name have been linked already....now Hughes is. None of those names have been linked because anything anywhere says Everton have sounded them out, it's just the usual managerial roundabout and link the usual names with any job that's going. i absolutely guarantee you that at some point Rafa will be linked as will Mancini and Van Gaal. it's not a strange one to make up at all, all they've said is that it's a name they're thinking about, nothing more than that and happens literally EVERY time a managerial position pops up. EDIT: and although it's one of the biggest selling papers momo, the same paper ran a story yesterday saying how Prince had died of AIDS...what source did they use for that exclusive?? "The National Enquirer" (strangely enough no other national newspaper touched it with a bargepole)....hardly a paragon of the truth are they! they'll take literally any titbit they can find on anything and run with it....throw enough shit at a wall, some of it will stick and 1 in every 100 stories they can then say is an "Exclusive" that they broke.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 28, 2016 15:14:22 GMT
To be fair, dave it's not from a rumours site, it's on the back page of the two biggest selling papers in the country and at least one of the journo's is quite respected. It might be bullshit but I would imagine there's a flicker of a story in there from one side. It's a strange one just to make up. but all it actually says is that Hughes' name has been suggested to the new owner and later says that Moyes and Howe are being linked but Hughes has also won admiring glances because of how well he's done here. hardly the same as "Hughes in talks" kind of a story is it? Moyes' and Howe's name have been linked already....now Hughes is. None of those names have been linked because anything anywhere says Everton have sounded them out, it's just the usual managerial roundabout and link the usual names with any job that's going. i absolutely guarantee you that at some point Rafa will be linked as will Mancini and Van Gaal. it's not a strange one to make up at all, all they've said is that it's a name they're thinking about, nothing more than that and happens literally EVERY time a managerial position pops up. It's still not a surprise when the two biggest papers in the country run a story linking your manager to another club that it would elicit a few pages of discussion on the main messageboard associated with that club is it?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2016 15:18:38 GMT
but all it actually says is that Hughes' name has been suggested to the new owner and later says that Moyes and Howe are being linked but Hughes has also won admiring glances because of how well he's done here. hardly the same as "Hughes in talks" kind of a story is it? Moyes' and Howe's name have been linked already....now Hughes is. None of those names have been linked because anything anywhere says Everton have sounded them out, it's just the usual managerial roundabout and link the usual names with any job that's going. i absolutely guarantee you that at some point Rafa will be linked as will Mancini and Van Gaal. it's not a strange one to make up at all, all they've said is that it's a name they're thinking about, nothing more than that and happens literally EVERY time a managerial position pops up. It's still not a surprise when the two biggest papers in the country run a story linking your manager to another club that it would elicit a few pages of discussion on the main messageboard associated with that club is it? no not at all mate but i'm confused by some of the posters who now seem convinced that we're definitely going to lose him and are already discussing replacements (and i think it's those same posters that Dave was referring to). most of us have just been discussing the "Would he be right to go..would it be a sideways step or a move forward in his career?" etc IF he was actually offered it (and at this stage it's a big leap to go from this article to him actually being offered the job) but some have come out and told us the players we'll now lose when he DOES go and who it is that Coates will bring in and how badly we'll play as a consequence. it's those latter comments that bemuse when it's just a standard "Manager who's done well at 1 club could interest another" article.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Apr 28, 2016 15:39:48 GMT
It's still not a surprise when the two biggest papers in the country run a story linking your manager to another club that it would elicit a few pages of discussion on the main messageboard associated with that club is it? no not at all mate but i'm confused by some of the posters who now seem convinced that we're definitely going to lose him and are already discussing replacements (and i think it's those same posters that Dave was referring to). most of us have just been discussing the "Would he be right to go..would it be a sideways step or a move forward in his career?" etc IF he was actually offered it (and at this stage it's a big leap to go from this article to him actually being offered the job) but some have come out and told us the players we'll now lose when he DOES go and who it is that Coates will bring in and how badly we'll play as a consequence. it's those latter comments that bemuse when it's just a standard "Manager who's done well at 1 club could interest another" article. So... we are ok to discuss "will he go?" but not "who will replace him if he goes?" Is that correct?
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