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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 13, 2016 12:57:32 GMT
I don't think the public do hate them tbh. They shouldn't. I think generally they do a good job in testing circumstances. Not sure that kneeing someone in the head is doing a good job in testing circumstances is it? I find the police in this country are complacent and this contributes to their arrogance i.e. "I can do whatever I want without punishment". Do you really think the officer who smashed up this poor Coventry fan would have done it if he thought he would get caught? Of course not. You're tarring them all with the same brush. He did it because he's quite clearly a maniac and you get them in all walks of life. The punishment obviously is a load of shit. But to generalise them all is a load of shit too. |
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 13, 2016 13:06:54 GMT
Not sure that kneeing someone in the head is doing a good job in testing circumstances is it? I find the police in this country are complacent and this contributes to their arrogance i.e. "I can do whatever I want without punishment". Do you really think the officer who smashed up this poor Coventry fan would have done it if he thought he would get caught? Of course not. You're tarring them all with the same brush. He did it because he's quite clearly a maniac and you get them in all walks of life. The punishment obviously is a load of shit. But to generalise them all is a load of shit too. Possibly Bayern but I think you will be hard pushed to find many football fans that haven't had an issue with the police. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 13:14:48 GMT
Remember, if it happened to a Liverpool supporter some on here would say it was his own fault he got attacked. Bollocks, man. Just because people have contrary opinions of certain circumstances, don't turn it into a childish drama. It's pathetic. It's very often hard to get a neutral, objective opinion on some topics because people are so emotional and have vested interests in spouting their opinion as if it were known fact. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 13, 2016 13:14:58 GMT
You're tarring them all with the same brush. He did it because he's quite clearly a maniac and you get them in all walks of life. The punishment obviously is a load of shit. But to generalise them all is a load of shit too. Possibly Bayern but I think you will be hard pushed to find many football fans that haven't had an issue with the police. Football wise I agree. Other than that though I think the Police in general do a cracking job. |
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 13, 2016 13:54:29 GMT
But it shouldn't be that way though should it Bayern ?
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 13, 2016 13:59:53 GMT
Here is a much longer account of what happened from the FSF site. A disgraceful storyI've posted the following in the comments section of the FSF website - I hope Coventry fans and the local media will take up my suggestion. "Elections will take place on 5th May for Police and Crime Commissioners for every Police Force in England. Surely Coventry fans and the local Coventry media should be asking EVERY candidate for the post of Crime Commissioner for the West Midlands what their opinion is about this case and what they will do about it if they are elected on 5th May."
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 13, 2016 14:08:11 GMT
Not sure that kneeing someone in the head is doing a good job in testing circumstances is it? I find the police in this country are complacent and this contributes to their arrogance i.e. "I can do whatever I want without punishment". Do you really think the officer who smashed up this poor Coventry fan would have done it if he thought he would get caught? Of course not. You're tarring them all with the same brush. He did it because he's quite clearly a maniac and you get them in all walks of life. The punishment obviously is a load of shit. But to generalise them all is a load of shit too. "The punishment is obviously a load of shit" is a fairly dismissive way of describing what happened though bayern. I half-agree with what you say about the police in general, but this case (like so many others) is not just about one rogue, off-the-rails officer - it's about years of systematic covering-up and obstructing of justice by a whole force and the CPS. |
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Apr 13, 2016 14:25:26 GMT
Remember, if it happened to a Liverpool supporter some on here would say it was his own fault he got attacked. Bollocks, man. Just because people have contrary opinions of certain circumstances, don't turn it into a childish drama. It's pathetic. It's very often hard to get a neutral, objective opinion on some topics because people are so emotional and have vested interests in spouting their opinion as if it were known fact. Quite "^ Here's another. They've been at graft for decades. Hand out. Begging. Scams. Deals. 3-4 decades ago they were intimidating any contractors that dared step on their turf. Perhaps they'd "fall off a building" or "get crippled". Enough to have good honest fellas walk off a job in fear. Insurance scams? You bet. Fraud? Yep. Working while claiming dole? Naturally. Robbing jibbing and thieving all over Europe? Of course. Scrounging, mugging, steaming, stabbing, scarring and wounding with impunity. The ONLY time I've ever had a blade pulled on me at football over 20 years up and down the country involved a scouser. Scousers? I wouldn't piss on one if it was on fire." Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/user/13000/recent#ixzz45iSijdg1 |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 13, 2016 14:29:59 GMT
Not sure that kneeing someone in the head is doing a good job in testing circumstances is it? I find the police in this country are complacent and this contributes to their arrogance i.e. "I can do whatever I want without punishment". Do you really think the officer who smashed up this poor Coventry fan would have done it if he thought he would get caught? Of course not. You're tarring them all with the same brush. He did it because he's quite clearly a maniac and you get them in all walks of life. The punishment obviously is a load of shit. But to generalise them all is a load of shit too. Bayern, why do generalizations exist? Stereotypes, generalizations, tarring with the same brush, etc? Despite what the PC brigade might drum into your skull, generalizations tend to exist because in some form or another, there's an element of truth to them. People generalize the police as being corrupt, violent and unaccountable for their actions. Why? A large number of policeman are corrupt, violent and have been unaccounted for their actions!! It's not rocket science is it? When I say a large number, I don't necessarily mean the majority, I mean a larger number than should be acceptable. Throw in the CPS and their added corruption and you have a justice system that is rotten to the core. When the police start seeing real-world consequences for their actions, then we can clean up the mess that is the current police force. |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 13, 2016 14:31:45 GMT
Bollocks, man. Just because people have contrary opinions of certain circumstances, don't turn it into a childish drama. It's pathetic. It's very often hard to get a neutral, objective opinion on some topics because people are so emotional and have vested interests in spouting their opinion as if it were known fact. Quite "^ Here's another. They've been at graft for decades. Hand out. Begging. Scams. Deals. 3-4 decades ago they were intimidating any contractors that dared step on their turf. Perhaps they'd "fall off a building" or "get crippled". Enough to have good honest fellas walk off a job in fear. Insurance scams? You bet. Fraud? Yep. Working while claiming dole? Naturally. Robbing jibbing and thieving all over Europe? Of course. Scrounging, mugging, steaming, stabbing, scarring and wounding with impunity. The ONLY time I've ever had a blade pulled on me at football over 20 years up and down the country involved a scouser. Scousers? I wouldn't piss on one if it was on fire." Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/user/13000/recent#ixzz45iSijdg1What's your point? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 13, 2016 14:59:27 GMT
You're tarring them all with the same brush. He did it because he's quite clearly a maniac and you get them in all walks of life. The punishment obviously is a load of shit. But to generalise them all is a load of shit too. Bayern, why do generalizations exist? Stereotypes, generalizations, tarring with the same brush, etc? Despite what the PC brigade might drum into your skull, generalizations tend to exist because in some form or another, there's an element of truth to them. People generalize the police as being corrupt, violent and unaccountable for their actions. Why? A large number of policeman are corrupt, violent and have been unaccounted for their actions!! It's not rocket science is it? When I say a large number, I don't necessarily mean the majority, I mean a larger number than should be acceptable. Throw in the CPS and their added corruption and you have a justice system that is rotten to the core. When the police start seeing real-world consequences for their actions, then we can clean up the mess that is the current police force. Oh I agree but the police away from football (and I agree at football games they are generally tossers) are helpful, friendly and do a cracking job. I massively disagree about that. But I'm not going there (I can't be arsed). |
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Apr 13, 2016 15:07:55 GMT
Quite "^ Here's another. They've been at graft for decades. Hand out. Begging. Scams. Deals. 3-4 decades ago they were intimidating any contractors that dared step on their turf. Perhaps they'd "fall off a building" or "get crippled". Enough to have good honest fellas walk off a job in fear. Insurance scams? You bet. Fraud? Yep. Working while claiming dole? Naturally. Robbing jibbing and thieving all over Europe? Of course. Scrounging, mugging, steaming, stabbing, scarring and wounding with impunity. The ONLY time I've ever had a blade pulled on me at football over 20 years up and down the country involved a scouser. Scousers? I wouldn't piss on one if it was on fire." Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/user/13000/recent#ixzz45iSijdg1What's your point? That oldstoke himself doesn't have a "neutral, objective opinion on some topics" such as the one Joe was alluding to. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 15:31:04 GMT
That oldstoke himself doesn't have a "neutral, objective opinion on some topics" such as the one Joe was alluding to. That you're unwilling to hear an alternative opinion that doesn't suit the media position and public hype. That nobody's opinion but your own is valid. |
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 13, 2016 15:32:36 GMT
Bollocks, man. Just because people have contrary opinions of certain circumstances, don't turn it into a childish drama. It's pathetic. It's very often hard to get a neutral, objective opinion on some topics because people are so emotional and have vested interests in spouting their opinion as if it were known fact. Quite "^ Here's another. They've been at graft for decades. Hand out. Begging. Scams. Deals. 3-4 decades ago they were intimidating any contractors that dared step on their turf. Perhaps they'd "fall off a building" or "get crippled". Enough to have good honest fellas walk off a job in fear. Insurance scams? You bet. Fraud? Yep. Working while claiming dole? Naturally. Robbing jibbing and thieving all over Europe? Of course. Scrounging, mugging, steaming, stabbing, scarring and wounding with impunity. The ONLY time I've ever had a blade pulled on me at football over 20 years up and down the country involved a scouser. Scousers? I wouldn't piss on one if it was on fire." Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/user/13000/recent#ixzz45iSijdg1Brilliant.  |
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Post by staffsvilla on Apr 13, 2016 16:53:27 GMT
Got to be honest and say that in my opinion WMP are the worst I have come across in my 50yrs plus watching football(with the exception of the Anderlecht police, which was our own fault !), in recent years since the North stand was given back to us and away fans were put in the Witton Lane Stand (some call it the Doug Ellis) I have on numerous occasions seen appalling treatment dished out to away fans entering and leaving the ground in most cases when the likelihood of trouble was zero, you go on any football forum and when the subject of who's got the worst police it's always the West Midlands clubs who are mentioned, this really needs looking at as a nationwide fan opinion of WMP should not be brushed under the carpet,yes in the distant past I fell foul of WMP but that was down to me and I have no complaints about my convictions, you live, learn and eventually grow up but that force has had many questions raised against it over the years not least being their botched handling of the Birmingham Pub Bombings and the reluctance to investigate fully in light of new evidence and statements, but my main point is they have been guilty of poor performance for decades and still nothing seems to change, will it ever ?
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 13, 2016 17:20:49 GMT
Just read the whole story on Lakeland's link.
We really all need to support Malcolm Clarke and the FSF in everything they do.
Without their commitment and expertise cases like this would just get swept under the carpet.
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Post by mattintheprem on Apr 13, 2016 21:42:37 GMT
..........and it's taken nearly 5 years for the man to get his day in court.
The leeches employed in the legal system wringing every last penny they can make yet again. You could probably add another nought onto his compensation figure if you took out Percy Price esq. and all his cronies wages/costs/rip off expenses etc. etc.
Fair play to the FSF for keeping this one alive, the legal system relies on most common folk giving up because the fight for justice is so long & painful, probably 100 times more painful than the kicking he got originally from the nice PC.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 13, 2016 21:47:00 GMT
Possibly Bayern but I think you will be hard pushed to find many football fans that haven't had an issue with the police. Football wise I agree. Other than that though I think the Police in general do a cracking job. Cracking skulls you mean, he should be sacked end of the man is a thug hiding behind a uniform that we pay for. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 13, 2016 22:12:06 GMT
Football wise I agree. Other than that though I think the Police in general do a cracking job. Cracking skulls you mean, he should be sacked end of the man is a thug hiding behind a uniform that we pay for. What? |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Apr 15, 2016 15:16:16 GMT
My own view for what it's worth is that the quality of football policing is getting better slowly - probably rather faster than the quality of stewarding. There are some more enlightened match commanders these days and the FSF spends a lot of time trying to work with them outside match days. But this appalling case reminds us that we must never rest on our laurels. As others have said it has taken this guy FIVE YEARS to get justice, which relied on the courage and integrity of another PC. I am also very proud of the persistence and professionalism of the FSF caseworker Amanda and the lawyers she worked with on this case and on others. We are fortunate to have found some very good lawyers who are sympathetic to football fans and who often do not charge a commercial rate for their services
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