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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 13, 2016 20:49:15 GMT
Finally managed to watch the last half hour last night - always fell asleep or got bored before then!
What a bag of pretentious wank, apart from the infamous Valkyries scene its total boredom!
To think Brando is lauded for this as well?? Sickened too by the wholly unneccessary slaughter of the bull at the end, really unpleasant stuff
I cant believe how folk rave about this?? Give me Platoon, Deerhunter, Full MJ any day over it!
Anyone else loathe it or love it?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 13, 2016 20:57:09 GMT
Finally managed to watch the last half hour last night - always fell asleep or got bored before then!
What a bag of pretentious wank, apart from the infamous Valkyries scene its total boredom!
To think Brando is lauded for this as well?? Sickened too by the wholly unneccessary slaughter of the bull at the end, really unpleasant stuff
I cant believe how folk rave about this?? Give me Platoon, Deerhunter, Full MJ any day over it!
Anyone else loathe it or love it?
And are there other classics that you find vastly overrated?? We're all queueing up with the Brando love?  It's all about The Doors and a bit of Napalm. Hopper's worst performance too. Didn't they all get Denghi Fever or something filming it? All round below par. Chariots of Fire is shit too. |
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 13, 2016 21:02:56 GMT
Never seen COF to be fair
Yeah I hope they all got really sick - deserve it for the animal cruelty. Don't get me wrong, I like a steak or burger like anyone but hacking an animal to pieces just for the sake of pompous bilge like that. Still cant forget the look in its eyes. Horrible.
The helicopter attack is pretty impressive to be fair but after that it's just a boat sailing slowly up a foggy river with ominous music until it meets a fat man who talks shit for 20 minutes and then gets his head caved in.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Feb 13, 2016 22:14:29 GMT
I gave up on The Deer Hunter and Apocalypse Now. FMJ & Platoon, all the way!
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 13, 2016 22:20:09 GMT
No, No, No, No. I'm not even going to defend it, cause it stands for itself. If AN was too long for you, how did you manage Once Upon a Time in America
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Post by borat on Feb 13, 2016 22:23:53 GMT
Finally managed to watch the last half hour last night - always fell asleep or got bored before then!
What a bag of pretentious wank, apart from the infamous Valkyries scene its total boredom!
To think Brando is lauded for this as well?? Sickened too by the wholly unneccessary slaughter of the bull at the end, really unpleasant stuff
I cant believe how folk rave about this?? Give me Platoon, Deerhunter, Full MJ any day over it!
Anyone else loathe it or love it?
And are there other classics that you find vastly overrated?? It's a bag of wank, one of the most boring films you'll ever see. |
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Post by marwood on Feb 13, 2016 23:03:14 GMT
It's one of my favourite films, but even I look away at the Bull scene.
Duvall is magnificent in it. As is the soundtrack and scenes like the surfing.
To be fair, it's a series of set pieces rather than a cohesive film. The movie and actors went through a torture chamber over 5 years to get it to the screen.
The story of the making of the film is a better narrative story than the actual movie - Theres a brilliant documentary about it called Hearts of Darkness, after the original book by Joseph Conrad.
It wasn't helped by all the Massive egos on set, I'd have love to have seen the version with Harvey Keitel originally in the lead, he filmed loads of his scenes for over 3 weeks but was then fired. You can still see him in the finished version, but only just, on the boat from some long shots.
Larry fishbourne was only 14 when he stared filming his scenes. Brando by then was out of control and is better as the lurking offscreen presence giant that he is rather than as an actor. McQueen was offered the role , accepted, but then decided he wanted to be Willard instead, was refused, so pulled out.
I'm a massive hopper fan, and he says he had no direction at all on this movie, all his dialogue for a start is improvised.
And the scene where Martin Sheen gets drunk and smashes a mirror naked is cinema gold. Coppola just gave him a bottle of whisky and told him to celebrate his 40th birthday in style and kept the cameras rolling. Son Charlie was so impressed he decided to base the last 5 years of his life on that one sequence.
Basically just talked myself into watching this movie right now
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Post by Skankmonkey on Feb 13, 2016 23:36:12 GMT
I like to believe the later story about Hopper in Mexico personally testing the theory that there is a safe zone in the centre of a circle of exploding sticks of dynamite. Top guy.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 14, 2016 11:11:34 GMT
AN is an awesome film. Funny thing, for me, is I've appreciated Brando's contribution more on later watches than first time round. I guess first time the action scenes got my attention but the later parts with Brando, that I originally thought was just indulgent twaddle, I now really enjoy. Maybe I've figured out what is going on. Reading Heart of Darkness may also have helped in this regard.
On the subject of overrated classics I'd like to suggest one I watched for the first time yesterday evening; Chinatown. The cinematography is great, the acting brilliant, the dialogue sharp but the plot is all over the place and the ending garbage. Overall deeply disappointing.
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Post by harryburrows on Feb 14, 2016 11:27:39 GMT
Catch 22 , there's a pile of cack if ever I've seen one
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Feb 14, 2016 12:18:01 GMT
Catch 22 , there's a pile of cack if ever I've seen one Yep, another film, I've not bothered to see through to the end. |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Feb 14, 2016 12:28:56 GMT
I see AN as more of an existentialist road movie with a Vietnam war background, particularly the redux version. Perhaps it's got more in common with Vanishing Point or Two Lane Black top. My overrated classic would be Annie Hall, I really don't get it.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 14, 2016 12:54:00 GMT
The Horror
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Post by turtlefox on Feb 14, 2016 19:50:23 GMT
The Deer Hunter has to be one of the worst long films you could sit through. I'm not even sure what the point of the film is. A proper waste of 3hrs.
That wedding scene has to be the biggest waste of time on film. No question.
What's the point of this movie. That war changes you as a person ? I didn't know that.
The characters from the start weren't even likeable. Bunch of red necks with jobs. Could have told the story in half an hour and not wasted so much time and would still have been scratching my head when it finished.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 14, 2016 20:04:36 GMT
I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread. It's not just a matter of opinion, it's a case of artistic integrity. Have we really become so brutalised!?!
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 14, 2016 20:18:31 GMT
The Deer Hunter has to be one of the worst long films you could sit through. Christopher Walken etc? |
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Post by turtlefox on Feb 14, 2016 20:24:20 GMT
Christopher Walken etc what ?
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Post by turtlefox on Feb 14, 2016 20:26:29 GMT
I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread. It's not just a matter of opinion, it's a case of artistic integrity. Have we really become so brutalised!?! How do you mean ? |
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 14, 2016 20:31:03 GMT
I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread. It's not just a matter of opinion, it's a case of artistic integrity. Have we really become so brutalised!?! How do you mean ? Well the films that are being slated are tales of human endeavour & as viewers we are supposed to empathise with their plight... |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 14, 2016 20:33:46 GMT
Christopher Walken etc what ? I suppose a lot of folks' subjective appreciation of art and entertainment has to be put in context. Walken's performance and the whole Russian Roulette thing left a huge impression. Possibly one of the first videos I hired. I enjoy Walken's work. |
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Post by turtlefox on Feb 14, 2016 20:53:39 GMT
I can see what you both mean. I guess this day and age we have more chance of seeing something that is real rather than someone acting out the case for the reality of it, and have more sympathy for that than someone just acting it.
As a viewer, it's hard to have any sympathy for the characters when most of the film bores you to sleep. Films shouldn't be about big explosions or car chases or whatever they may do to keep the bone heads watching but they should be good to watch without thinking of the human endeavour. That should come afterwards.
I just find the Deer Hunter shockingly bad for how long it is compared to other films that may make you think about a subject in a way that you hadn't before.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 15, 2016 5:07:16 GMT
the Vietnam war film reviews are in - overly long, gratuitous death and violence, made no sense, pointless
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 15, 2016 17:17:29 GMT
the Vietnam war film reviews are in - overly long, gratuitous death and violence, made no sense, pointless is that summing up the films or the war itself? personally i absolutely LOVE A.N. but it is all down to personal preference....for instance i think that Highlander and Blade Runner are utter shite but i know a lot on here love them. different strokes and all that.... (now that WAS a great TV show) |
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Post by Beertricks Potter on Feb 15, 2016 17:46:32 GMT
I'm a fan of A.N but each to their own.
I found the Deer Hunter very boring and although I'm a BIG Sci-Fi fan I just don't see what's so great about Blade Runner. Tried to watch it a few times but it just does nowt for me.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 15, 2016 18:00:06 GMT
the Vietnam war film reviews are in - overly long, gratuitous death and violence, made no sense, pointless is that summing up the films or the war itself? personally i absolutely LOVE A.N. but it is all down to personal preference....for instance i think that Highlander and Blade Runner are utter shite but i know a lot on here love them. different strokes and all that.... (now that WAS a great TV show) just making that point mick, films creating the feeling I love AN as well but I loved heart of darkness and its in that context. Also loved the deer hunter, uses the same trick as the book birdsong, bores you into a real life stupor to create characters that are suddenly in the horror. Effective if a bit trying on reviewing. |
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 15, 2016 20:01:16 GMT
is that summing up the films or the war itself? personally i absolutely LOVE A.N. but it is all down to personal preference....for instance i think that Highlander and Blade Runner are utter shite but i know a lot on here love them. different strokes and all that.... (now that WAS a great TV show) just making that point mick, films creating the feeling I love AN as well but I loved heart of darkness and its in that context. Also loved the dearhunter, uses the same trick as the book birdsong, bores you into a real life stupor to create characters that are suddenly in the horror. Effective if a bit trying on reviewing. I love Deer Hunter, the same as I love Nil by Mouth, but in the end I know they are going to depress me, but I suppose that's the idea |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 15, 2016 20:49:00 GMT
just making that point mick, films creating the feeling I love AN as well but I loved heart of darkness and its in that context. Also loved the dearhunter, uses the same trick as the book birdsong, bores you into a real life stupor to create characters that are suddenly in the horror. Effective if a bit trying on reviewing. I love Deer Hunter, the same as I love Nil by Mouth, but in the end I know they are going to depress me, but I suppose that's the idea Naked. Like getting beaten up by a genius. |
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 15, 2016 21:07:54 GMT
I love Deer Hunter, the same as I love Nil by Mouth, but in the end I know they are going to depress me, but I suppose that's the idea Naked. Like getting beaten up by a genius. Is that Naked Lunch!?! |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 15, 2016 21:20:23 GMT
Naked. Like getting beaten up by a genius. Is that Naked Lunch!?! No, Naked by Mike Leigh. Not everyones cup of tea. |
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Post by marwood on Feb 16, 2016 8:49:02 GMT
It's all down to taste,
Questions to ask yourself before sitting down to watch films such as AN-
Do you like non linear films films with a point to make about the human condition?
Do you like films that set out to be as much a part of culture as the music of Wagner?
Do you like films that care more about cinematography than plot?
If yes, then films such as Apocalypse Now are right up your street
If you set a massive big fat yes to 1 and 3 then you should try Vanishing Point and The Trip
If no to all, you should stick to "Honey I shrank the Fokkers 3"
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