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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 20:43:54 GMT
Pie in the sky question.
Imagine Peter coates is thinking of building a brand new 40 thousand stadium on the site of the old vic. He's also chewing over a major revamp of the Brit to bring it bang up to date with a 40 thousand capacity. He decides to let supporters cast a vote.
Would you be voting to stay put or move back?
The positives for moving back for me -
1 Better access 2 More vibrant town and buzz pre match 3 Can arrive later 4 can have more drinking time prematch. 4 Back to our spiritual home
The negatives for moving back for me -
1 we have to rebuild our home reputation. 2 The britannia brand will be no more. 3 The faff trying to sort season ticket seats.
Just wondering what others thought?
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Post by lordb on Feb 9, 2016 20:50:07 GMT
Access would be terrible on that site,unless on foot.
Be warmer though
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Post by no1972 on Feb 9, 2016 20:53:15 GMT
Pie in the sky question. Imagine Peter coates is thinking of building a brand new 40 thousand stadium on the site of the old vic. He's also chewing over a major revamp of the Brit to bring it bang up to date with a 40 thousand capacity. He decides to let supporters cast a vote. Would you be voting to stay put or move back? The positives for moving back for me - 1 Better access 2 More vibrant town and buzz pre match 3 Can arrive later 4 can have more drinking time prematch. 4 Back to our spiritual home The negatives for moving back for me - 1 we have to rebuild our home reputation. 2 The britannia brand will be no more. 3 The faff trying to sort season ticket seats. Just wondering what others thought? You carnt move along Campbell road on a normal day all the pubs are shut near the ground,no parking at all.But yes let's move back,not a cat in hells chance.
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Post by lordb on Feb 9, 2016 20:56:41 GMT
Fill the corners, expand the concourses, improve facilities, a rail halt,some bars,fan zones, another bridge over the railway, lots of ways to improve the stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 21:01:03 GMT
Pie in the sky question. Imagine Peter coates is thinking of building a brand new 40 thousand stadium on the site of the old vic. He's also chewing over a major revamp of the Brit to bring it bang up to date with a 40 thousand capacity. He decides to let supporters cast a vote. Would you be voting to stay put or move back? The positives for moving back for me - 1 Better access 2 More vibrant town and buzz pre match 3 Can arrive later 4 can have more drinking time prematch. 4 Back to our spiritual home The negatives for moving back for me - 1 we have to rebuild our home reputation. 2 The britannia brand will be no more. 3 The faff trying to sort season ticket seats. Just wondering what others thought? You carnt move along Campbell road on a normal day all the pubs are shut near the ground,no parking at all.But yes let's move back,not a cat in hells chance. Fanciful dreaming i know. But You can't blame me for being a romantic
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 21:07:13 GMT
...vs doing nothing.
Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 9, 2016 22:51:44 GMT
...vs doing nothing. Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner! Which one won?
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 9, 2016 23:06:07 GMT
Knock vale park down and build houses for the Syrians
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 9, 2016 23:18:19 GMT
In one Football Manager game, Tony Scholes bought out bet365 and built a 67,000 seater stadium on the site of The Vic named after me. Best of all, it wasn't an 'arena', which is an abortive name for any football place, but a 'Park'.
Long story short, we should do that.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 9, 2016 23:40:08 GMT
Never mind filling in the corners, we should build one massive superstadium on huge stilts over the A50 and A500, one corner where the Vic was and one corner where the Brit is, which would house the entire population of Stoke-on-Trent.
Speculate to accumulate and all that.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 9, 2016 23:46:18 GMT
I'd happily get kicked in the scrote every day for the rest of my life to wazz the stadium from that shitty little hill back to where it should be.
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Feb 10, 2016 3:48:00 GMT
Am I right in saying there were proposed plans in the early 90s to have The Brit built on Festival Park? I think that would of been a far better location for the ground.
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Post by richie22 on Feb 10, 2016 7:46:57 GMT
They should develops the ground soon and so to the area around it. Improve the whole matchday experience.(1) Fill in the corner ASAP. It shocking when you hear that teams can't do it on a cold and windy Britannia pitch, neither can we! (2) Build a second supporters club onto the new corner, try to build some atmosphere and life into it. (3) Develope the disabled supporters viewing area. (4) Get the cast of play school to work on the traffic marshalling on a match day. (5) fan zone at the back of the boothen
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Post by Robo10 on Feb 10, 2016 8:20:00 GMT
Fezzy Park? It cant cope with Christmas shoppers never mind a match day!
And from the OP - I dont think drinking andd people dashing last minute would be positives in planners eyes :-)
The Vic was ace, but delapidated, with poor access and transport links/parking - it was fine with 10-15k crowds (as the Brit is), but was a mare for a big game - people used to abandon cars all over town (up Hill St etc), traffic wardens jizzfest
The Brit offers a lot of opportunity, its just poorly laid out and planned, roads and parking especially. I dont think they ever thought we would get back, let alone have sell out crowds every week - neither ground would cope.
It needs a shitload of parking developing round and down by the Sainsburys depot to keep matchday traffic by the ground itself down and off the A50, and some sort of designated pick up point to force most walkers down over the bridge - you would be amazed if 100-1500 less cars were not driving around (or parked picking people up) by the ground
The ground itself - Boothen concourse should be extended back, with better bars and remodelled toilets, they are horrific at half time to get a slash with thousands squeezing through those narrow openings
Dont think the prob is half as bad in the other stands?
Get at least 1 corner filled
Get rid of the wank traffic management company - make it a one way flow on matchday - up over the bridge (turn the traffic lights off for flow), two way traffic towards Power League, allow coaches to park by Nuffield again (ie close that road), only allow traffic to exit via the bottom road or Stan Way.
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Post by rossrog on Feb 10, 2016 9:55:29 GMT
To be honest i see the corners as a short term thing - the demand has been there the last 2 years yes
but i think they will look at the bigger picture - where the club is going, speaking to a guys who built the stadium they seemed to think that the footings that where put in place where suitable should the option for expansion ever come about..
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Post by march4 on Feb 10, 2016 12:44:51 GMT
There is so much more that we can do with the Brit. Look at Leicester's ground or Derby's or Norwich's or Reading's or Bolton's for some solutions. In fact, we have advantages, they can only dream of.
1 We have a railway line within touching distance of the car parks. How many £M for a railway halt?
2 The ground is a stone's throw from both the A50 and A500. Build a proper link between the A50 and A500 to ease the daily traffic congestion and put proper access to the stadium in it.
The empty corners plus the big space behind the Boothen are perfect for redevelopment. A hotel is an obvious choice plus office space. The area has fantastic transport links and parking is easy for 95% of the time. I would make the Boothen 5 stories high, like the main stand and fill in the corner between them. The club offices and dressing rooms would go in that corner with a hotel built into the back of the Boothen. The Boothen concourses could be trebled in size. The roof of the East Stand could be raised to match the Boothen without much work and that would give us a 3 sided horseshoe, 5 stories high with the South Stand as a smaller separate entity.
The car dealerships were a huge mistake as they make no contribution to the stadium. A cinema, restaurants and shopping area would have complimented the ground - but it is far too late for that.
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Post by lordb on Feb 10, 2016 12:47:42 GMT
Am I right in saying there were proposed plans in the early 90s to have The Brit built on Festival Park? I think that would of been a far better location for the ground. It was actually the 80's 40000 all seat stadium this was pre-Hillsborough,pre the Taylor Report For Stoke & Vale to share
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Post by march4 on Feb 10, 2016 12:54:52 GMT
Am I right in saying there were proposed plans in the early 90s to have The Brit built on Festival Park? I think that would of been a far better location for the ground. It was actually the 80's 40000 all seat stadium this was pre-Hillsborough,pre the Taylor Report For Stoke & Vale to share At the top end of the site, beyond Morrison's if I remember rightly. More in Cobridge than Festival park, really.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 14:05:24 GMT
Am I right in saying there were proposed plans in the early 90s to have The Brit built on Festival Park? I think that would of been a far better location for the ground. It was actually the 80's 40000 all seat stadium this was pre-Hillsborough,pre the Taylor Report For Stoke & Vale to share It was the then council leader Ted smiths brainchild. To be fair to the Vale though Ted was a big stokie and they just didn't trust his vision. Odd though because Vale would have been returning back to hanley whereas we would have moved a fair distance. I also remember asda trying to buy the Butler street land and it was mutes at the time stoke were thinking off the old Wolstanton pit site where asda now stands
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Post by boothenesque on Feb 10, 2016 16:39:52 GMT
The old Twyfords site. Redevelop an eyesore, more central, Etruria station close by
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Post by Davef on Feb 10, 2016 16:49:23 GMT
The old Twyfords site. Redevelop an eyesore, more central, Etruria station close by Right next to the A500 and the A53? And you think the traffic is bad now!
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Post by trigger on Feb 10, 2016 17:33:38 GMT
Fill the corners, expand the concourses, improve facilities, a rail halt,some bars,fan zones, another bridge over the railway, lots of ways to improve the stadium. What about the hole in the roof above onlookers head?
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Post by nott1 on Feb 10, 2016 17:38:58 GMT
Fill the corners, expand the concourses, improve facilities, a rail halt,some bars,fan zones, another bridge over the railway, lots of ways to improve the stadium. What about the hole in the roof above onlookers head? Stick your finger in it!
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 10, 2016 20:53:59 GMT
In one Football Manager game, Tony Scholes bought out bet365 and built a 67,000 seater stadium on the site of The Vic named after me. Best of all, it wasn't an 'arena', which is an abortive name for any football place, but a 'Park'. Long story short, we should do that. Ye Olde Mystical Descent Park? I suppose that Stadium name could grow on you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 21:17:08 GMT
If Peter Coates wanted to move us back to the vic, he definitely could do it. If I was him I would at least look into if/how it could be done, but then again that's probably why I'm not him.
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 10, 2016 21:46:10 GMT
If Peter Coates wanted to move us back to the vic, he definitely could do it. If I was him I would at least look into if/how it could be done, but then again that's probably why I'm not him. The Brit (or whatever else it gets named) will be our home for the next 50 Plus years. Does anyone have any idea how much it costs to build a new stadium? Would you rather throw that amount away on replacing a perfectly good stadium or spend a quarter of that amount upgrading a stadium that was built with expansion in mind and spend the rest on players? I never go to the Brit, but even if I lived across the road from the old Vic site, I'd still want us to spend small on the stadium and big on the players.
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Post by Davef on Feb 10, 2016 21:50:41 GMT
If Peter Coates wanted to move us back to the vic, he definitely could do it. If I was him I would at least look into if/how it could be done, but then again that's probably why I'm not him. A brand new stadium on that site wouldn't even get to the conversation stage with planners. Only a fool would consider it, and Peter Coates isn't a fool.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Feb 10, 2016 21:57:06 GMT
Fill the corners, expand the concourses, improve facilities, a rail halt,some bars,fan zones, another bridge over the railway, lots of ways to improve the stadium. Agree with most of this. I wonder if the 18m we spent on Imbula would have covered the cost of this? Might not need 18m; could have all these improvements plus Charlie Austin for 18m...
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 10, 2016 22:17:58 GMT
Move back all day long , shame the great pubs have gone though by the ground , the Brit location is the arse end of everywhere for me ,
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Post by kidcrewbob on Feb 10, 2016 22:40:16 GMT
Monorail monorail monorail ????
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