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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jan 2, 2016 19:56:36 GMT
I'm hoping it's not going to be a massive loss. I don't think he played well today or against Everton, although he was excellent against ManU. If there had been a vote before today's game about who we could most afford to lose for Tuesday's match, it wouldn't have been a surprise if Geoff had come out on top. Do we go with a straight replacement for him and keep the same formation, or do we move Afellay and Bojan each one step back and go with a new man leading the line? Can't remotely see the decision getting overturned, reduced (due to the rule change) maybe but not overturned. id like to see Joselu come in Geoff, that way we still have a player to bring down jack's goal kicks. Obviously this would be Joselu as the forward with bojan dropping into midfield. We might lose some defence, but I think affelay is better at defending than many give him credit for.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 2, 2016 19:57:54 GMT
Looks like we're appealing the red.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 20:09:56 GMT
Just another side to this. A certain scouser who should have been sent off last week, scored a winning goal today!
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Post by kustokie on Jan 2, 2016 20:49:55 GMT
Martin 100% loss Van Ginkel? No thanks. Has to be Adam or Afellay Twice daft. Rip is coming on and they'd have to clone Affelay.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 2, 2016 20:50:17 GMT
By the letter of the strict rulebook, it's red. If he plays for Arsenal, it's overturned. He plays for Stoke, it'll be reduced to two games, a bit like Afellay. I am not so sure if you strike a player on the face or head then it's a straight red. looking at the Vine on social media it does appear to be more of a push on the upper back? Raise your hands etc.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jan 2, 2016 20:50:50 GMT
He was poor today before the red.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jan 2, 2016 21:17:52 GMT
Martin 100% loss Van Ginkel? No thanks. Has to be Adam or Afellay Twice daft. Â Rip is coming on and they'd have to clone Affelay. Â Obviously I don't want to clone Afellay. Put him in CM and get Joselu up top. Next smart arse comment...
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Post by playhowwewant on Jan 2, 2016 21:31:40 GMT
By the letter of the strict rulebook, it's red. If he plays for Arsenal, it's overturned. He plays for Stoke, it'll be reduced to two games, a bit like Afellay. Sorry but not even if he plays for them scumbags. Unfortunately Geoff may have been drawn into it but he was a bit of a tit for reacting. It won't be overturned he raised his hands and that's that I'm afraid. How the player went down is irrelevant he raised his hands. What pissed me off more was how Tone seemed to thank him for what he had done when he subbed him. Each time we play them I lose a little more respect for Pulis !
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Jan 2, 2016 21:34:52 GMT
Charlie Adam.
Easy choice for me.
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Post by playhowwewant on Jan 2, 2016 21:35:04 GMT
By the letter of the strict rulebook, it's red. If he plays for Arsenal, it's overturned. He plays for Stoke, it'll be reduced to two games, a bit like Afellay. Sorry but not even if he plays for them scumbags. Unfortunately Geoff may have been drawn into it but he was a bit of a tit for reacting. It won't be overturned he raised his hands and that's that I'm afraid. How the player went down is irrelevant he raised his hands. What pissed me off more was how Tone seemed to thank him for what he had done when he subbed him. Each time we play them I lose a little more respect for Pulis !
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Post by march4 on Jan 2, 2016 21:38:32 GMT
Still frustrated by what happened.
Geoff is such a sensible bloke. One split second of madness and this happens.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 2, 2016 23:49:44 GMT
By the letter of the strict rulebook, it's red. If he plays for Arsenal, it's overturned. He plays for Stoke, it'll be reduced to two games, a bit like Afellay. Sorry but not even if he plays for them scumbags. Unfortunately Geoff may have been drawn into it but he was a bit of a tit for reacting. It won't be overturned he raised his hands and that's that I'm afraid. How the player went down is irrelevant he raised his hands. What pissed me off more was how Tone seemed to thank him for what he had done when he subbed him. Each time we play them I lose a little more respect for Pulis ! Honestly, you play for the Arse that's rescinded, you play for Stoke it's not or reduced to two. Happened already this season. Tony Pulis is a manager, he's there to win football matches. He doesn't give a shit how and ultimately, that's partly what makes him a good manager, like him or not. Rather than focussing on him, we should be looking at where we went wrong today. He won, we lost. That's what the history books say.
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Post by raythesailor on Jan 3, 2016 0:02:31 GMT
Crazy sending off, a telling off would have sufficed, however if you are over officious it would be pointless to appeal.
It is time for somebody to take these people to task. How can they charge me £39.00 to watch a game of football and then cheat and fall over every few minutes and claim that this is entertainment ?
Please do not say that this is what we did when Pulis managed us, because we did not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 0:04:48 GMT
If that doesn't get rescinded then I think I'm done with this game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2016 0:08:19 GMT
He's a massive tit for doing it but that should never be a sending off.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jan 3, 2016 0:09:14 GMT
If that doesn't get rescinded then I think I'm done with this game. I wouldn't fall off my chair if it doesn't , the process and decision making in these appeals are mind blowing !
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Post by BuzzB on Jan 3, 2016 0:12:35 GMT
It was a shove in the back, not a punch or elbow, Geoff could even argue that he pushed him because he was treading on his foot, strictly by the letter of the law though it will probably stand. Yacobs sly look up may help.
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Post by samba :) on Jan 3, 2016 0:16:46 GMT
Oli Shenton
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 3, 2016 1:07:31 GMT
Having seen it on MOTD, I don't think we will appeal unless we'd like to get the punishment reduced to one or two games. Yacob took full advantage of what Geoff did, and he's an absolute cheat, but the initial action by Cameron was to strike out at an opponent, and that's what they'll look at.
Who will we bring in? Adam has done nowt lately so I'd go for A. N. Other.
OS.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 3, 2016 1:12:34 GMT
If that doesn't get rescinded then I think I'm done with this game. It won't be rescinded. Not playing for Arsenal. No Indian fans to keep happy.
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Jan 3, 2016 1:13:26 GMT
would luv to see Charlie and Crouchie rip the scousers to pieces
but
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jan 3, 2016 1:32:14 GMT
He should have been subbed instead of Whelan
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Post by metalhead on Jan 3, 2016 1:36:10 GMT
He should have been subbed instead of Whelan Whelan isn't right though. He's not been right for a few weeks. I think he's picked up a knock but Hughes isn't confident going into games without him. Cameron has been superb the last few weeks so it's easy to say in hindsight...
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Post by kustokie on Jan 3, 2016 1:41:35 GMT
Twice daft. Rip is coming on and they'd have to clone Affelay. Obviously I don't want to clone Afellay. Put him in CM and get Joselu up top. Next smart arse comment... Sorry, I'm not a mind reader.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jan 3, 2016 1:44:57 GMT
He should have been subbed instead of Whelan Whelan isn't right though. He's not been right for a few weeks. I think he's picked up a knock but Hughes isn't confident going into games without him. Cameron has been superb the last few weeks so it's easy to say in hindsight... Cameron has been decent but today he wasn'the on it, The thing is when you bring Whelan off (was it a precaution), it's hard to use the other subs,
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Post by ukcstokie on Jan 3, 2016 1:50:34 GMT
By the letter of the strict rulebook, it's red. If he plays for Arsenal, it's overturned. He plays for Stoke, it'll be reduced to two games, a bit like Afellay. I am not so sure if you strike a player on the face or head then it's a straight red. looking at the Vine on social media it does appear to be more of a push on the upper back? Spot on. It was a push away, nothing more. I've seen more violence at a kindergarten, but then again, most pre-schoolers don't go down quite as easy as Yacob did. A yellow would have been very harsh.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 3, 2016 1:50:49 GMT
Diouf for me, with Bojan dropping into midfield. I'd even be tempted to put Walters in there to upset Sakho.
We can get around Gegenpressing by being prepared to go long and having a big, fast, physical forward causing problems.
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Post by tarheel on Jan 3, 2016 2:29:46 GMT
Seems like West Brom got in Cameron's head early. I remember him limping around in the first 15 or so from a few nasty challenges. Still have to keep your cool and not lash out to the late hits - it's why he's a pro and the rest of us are lucky to be fit for Sunday league.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Jan 3, 2016 2:34:25 GMT
Can't see the red card being rescinded myself. At best the ban may be reduced, but historically the FA aren't normally lenio with Stoke. I remember Ric appealing a red card once but the FA added an extra game onto his 3 match ban for "a frivolous appeal".
It seemed little more than a bit of pushing rather than a slap. As for how WBA played against us, it was not the same Pulis at Stoke. I can't remember him ever sending out the team to cheat, roll around, feign injury etc to get an opponent sent off, and if these are NOT his orders, I'd be disappointed if he wasn't reprimanding his players for it. Bad day at the office.
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Post by j3st3r on Jan 3, 2016 2:46:43 GMT
There is no way this will be rescinded. It opens up too many difficult questions for the FA, like when does a push in the head become a slap to the head..
I love Geoff but he let us down today. A shove in the back and he gets a telling off.. but as soon as he raised his hands.. he forces the ref to make a decision.. and rightly or wrongly this one went against us.
I'll run naked through the streets of Hanley if it gets over turned...
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