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Post by mrred on Jan 3, 2016 10:57:03 GMT
Only just seen the highlights. Cameron is a fucking idiot. It's a typical reaction from a player under Pulis, milk anything to get a reaction. But Cameron is a massive tit, he knows the rules, as soon as you raise your hands to another player, it's an easy decision for a referee.
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Post by Gods on Jan 3, 2016 11:03:57 GMT
Seems like West Brom got in Cameron's head early. I remember him limping around in the first 15 or so from a few nasty challenges. Still have to keep your cool and not lash out to the late hits - it's why he's a pro and the rest of us are lucky to be fit for Sunday league. He did, we were saying that, we thought he was going to have to come off injured after about 15 minutes, but he seemed to get through it, guess his foot was still sore when Jacob caught him again. The irony is Cameron probably has a painful bruise on his foot and Jacob nothing at all yet it is Cameron taking the early bath and the Albion players beating themselves off on the pitch at the end of the game, it was deeply troubling afternoon all round.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 3, 2016 11:13:24 GMT
No chance of it being overturned.
He slapped him around the head.
Completely stupid reaction....if Geoff was 18 I'd be more forgiving. As it was he allowed the Baggies tactics to draw the reaction they wanted.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jan 3, 2016 13:29:58 GMT
I was furious with Cameron yesterday, especially after going down to 9 men in the home game. I would dock him a week's salary for letting us down so badly. He's a professional and 'his' actions could have actually cost us the game.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 3, 2016 13:40:27 GMT
The offences that warrant a red card are defined in FIFA’s Laws of the Game
Being guilty of ‘serious foul play’ (for instance, a very dangerous tackle). Violence. Spitting at an opponent or other person. Denying the other side an opportunity to score by handling the ball. Denying the other side an opportunity to score by fouling a player. Offensive or abusive language or gestures.
Don't believe Cameron's actions could be called "violence" and none of the others apply. Nothing to do with"raising a hand to a head" as is often mis-quoted.
By the letter of the law it is difficult to justify an immediate red card.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 3, 2016 13:51:03 GMT
I didn't see the game yesterday and after all the uproar on here about how terrible the decision was I was expecting to see Cameron make a little flick out and their player to fling himself to the ground. Now while the flinging to the ground certainly happened and it was a disgraceful reaction, it was also a very clear hand to the back of the head from Cameron which was almost a slap. Should probably have been a quiet word to calm down but I'm afraid the blame lies with Cameron here. As a footballer you should know that if you raise your hands to a player's head, even slightly, you're giving the referee a decision to make and on the wrong day you could get sent off. Yesterday was one of those days. It was a very clear hand to the back of the head and the referee made his call. If you don't raise your hands, you don't get sent off it's as simple as that and isn't hard to do. He should have learned after Affelay in the last West Brom game.
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Post by raythesailor on Jan 3, 2016 22:33:21 GMT
The offences that warrant a red card are defined in FIFA’s Laws of the Game Being guilty of ‘serious foul play’ (for instance, a very dangerous tackle). Violence. Spitting at an opponent or other person. Denying the other side an opportunity to score by handling the ball. Denying the other side an opportunity to score by fouling a player. Offensive or abusive language or gestures. Don't believe Cameron's actions could be called "violence" and none of the others apply. Nothing to do with"raising a hand to a head" as is often mis-quoted. By the letter of the law it is difficult to justify an immediate red card. Rule 12, Striking or attempting to strike an opponent. I know it was a poor decission, but this is what the Refferee will report, and he/we have no chance in appeal. Following the game at the Brit, and Affellay almost identical sending off our entire team should have been prepared and ready not to react to these provocations and theatrical reactions. Posters on this forum have been predicting this situation for weeks. I now almost dislike them as much as Arsenal. That goes back to the 70's !
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 3, 2016 22:42:14 GMT
And how long do they take to review it? Will the club use this time to make him available for Tuesday? Gouranga.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 3, 2016 22:45:00 GMT
I imagine Greg Dyke will personally ensure his red card is upheld and ban upped to four games.
While he's at it, he'll also finish off the paper work for this Egyptian lad Arsenal are about to sign, despite him not qualifying for a work permit.
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Post by raythesailor on Jan 3, 2016 23:18:07 GMT
And how long do they take to review it? Will the club use this time to make him available for Tuesday? Gouranga. I would imagine that if we appealed Geoff could be available for Tues but runs the risk of a extra game ban for a frivolous appeal. I think I am correct in saying that a suspension would include Docaster and certainly Nowrich.
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Post by fca47 on Jan 3, 2016 23:24:31 GMT
Waste of time appealing he raised his hands, not worth a red , but obviously guilty.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jan 3, 2016 23:30:11 GMT
My guess would be that it's upheld but reduced to one game ban , that would be the common sense approach ,
So in reality it's unlikely to happen and they will do something completely fuck witted as per !
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 4, 2016 13:21:17 GMT
My guess would be that it's upheld but reduced to one game ban , that would be the common sense approach , So in reality it's unlikely to happen and they will do something completely fuck witted as per ! It may as part of the grounds for appeal against the level of punishment based on the level of force used. It was a correct decision having now looked properly, only limited info can be used and it makes no difference whether the player fell about or not. The extent of the "injury" to the player can be taken into consideration. I reckon it will be a one match ban.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 13:27:02 GMT
CLub appeal the card mmmm cant see it myself but here's hoping.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 4, 2016 14:19:57 GMT
What I really wanted to know, is can he play tomorrow? We can do without him for a few league games, but we really could do with him tomorrow.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 4, 2016 14:47:16 GMT
Don't know if he can play tomorrow. Sadly the fa web site is in error at the moment. I can't imagine an appeal will work, Geoff clearly clips the guy around the back of the neck.
Yet another load of Baggy play acting casing us issues. Never thought I'd see a TP team be so skilled at this.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 4, 2016 14:48:11 GMT
Working again, he's suspended:
Geoffrey Cameron Stoke City 02.01.2016 13.01.2016 3
And so will defo be out for Liverpool.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 4, 2016 14:50:41 GMT
What I really wanted to know, is can he play tomorrow? We can do without him for a few league games, but we really could do with him tomorrow. My undersanding is that the player can only play, with a working day between matches, if the grounds for appeal are based on mistaken identity. Best we can hope for is a 1 match ban instead of 3
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Post by adamsson on Jan 4, 2016 14:51:40 GMT
The offences that warrant a red card are defined in FIFA’s Laws of the Game Being guilty of ‘serious foul play’ (for instance, a very dangerous tackle). Violence. Spitting at an opponent or other person. Denying the other side an opportunity to score by handling the ball. Denying the other side an opportunity to score by fouling a player. Offensive or abusive language or gestures. Don't believe Cameron's actions could be called "violence" and none of the others apply. Nothing to do with"raising a hand to a head" as is often mis-quoted. By the letter of the law it is difficult to justify an immediate red card. Rule 12, Striking or attempting to strike an opponent. I know it was a poor decission, but this is what the Refferee will report, and he/we have no chance in appeal. Following the game at the Brit, and Affellay almost identical sending off our entire team should have been prepared and ready not to react to these provocations and theatrical reactions. Posters on this forum have been predicting this situation for weeks. I now almost dislike them as much as Arsenal. That goes back to the 70's ! Thing is when they are kicking lumps out of you it gets hard not to react, (which is off course part of the reason they do it) But the real problem is the referees punish a reaction to a foul much more severely than the foul this actively encourages foul play
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 4, 2016 14:52:17 GMT
Working again, he's suspended: Geoffrey Cameron Stoke City 02.01.2016 13.01.2016 3 And so will defo be out for Liverpool. Isn't that subject to appeal?
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Post by metalhead on Jan 4, 2016 15:04:52 GMT
What I really wanted to know, is can he play tomorrow? We can do without him for a few league games, but we really could do with him tomorrow. My undersanding is that the player can only play, with a working day between matches, if the grounds for appeal are based on mistaken identity. Best we can hope for is a 1 match ban instead of 3 Greg Dyke will ensure he's given the full punishment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 15:04:56 GMT
Working again, he's suspended: Geoffrey Cameron Stoke City 02.01.2016 13.01.2016 3 And so will defo be out for Liverpool. Isn't that subject to appeal? SSN he can only play if the appeal is a success, I assume it will be heard today in that case.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 15:21:49 GMT
I hope they also take into account, Yacob's sly look under his arms to see if he got Geoff sent off. He needs a yellow for that the slimy cheat!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 4, 2016 15:22:57 GMT
Isn't that subject to appeal? SSN he can only play if the appeal is a success, I assume it will be heard today in that case. MH: We will have an indication by this evening whether we will have Geoff Cameron available. It hinders my thinking for now. From this afternoon presser wall.stokecityfc.com/Event/Stoke_City_FC
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Post by Silkystoke on Jan 4, 2016 16:15:14 GMT
Decision between 5 and 6 this evening
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 16:51:10 GMT
Available for tomorrow night --great news !
PS did the west brom cheat get anything though ?
no ---thought not
bastard !
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Post by burge2u on Jan 4, 2016 16:51:19 GMT
SSN: Cameron red card overturned
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Post by nutterpotter on Jan 4, 2016 16:51:36 GMT
Overturned!
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Post by prudhoessafehands on Jan 4, 2016 16:52:16 GMT
Yep been overturned..Wanker ref still cost us a point though,great news for GCam
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 16:52:25 GMT
TOO SLOW SON - TOO SLOW !!!
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