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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Oct 23, 2015 13:37:44 GMT
Stumps at 182/3 with Root well placed and Bairstow demonstrating great patience, game on gentlemen. Crazy that they don't start earlier when it's well known that the light goes so quickly over there. The ICC are pretty usually at using their common sense when it comes to test cricket.... Especially given the situation that arose at the end of the last test, I think however it's a greater problem in as much as it's incredibly rare for a team to get through a full 90 overs in a day, which is costing 10 overs a day in most cases.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 23, 2015 17:47:22 GMT
Stumps at 182/3 with Root well placed and Bairstow demonstrating great patience, game on gentlemen. Might be worth getting up early tomorrow to watch the cricket. Very good day today for England. A good one tomorrow would see us in the box seat. By a good day I mean still batting at close of play.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 24, 2015 6:48:50 GMT
Well I got up on a Saturday at my usual working day time to watch what I hoped would be another Root ton - but it's not to be. Out driving at a ball wide of off stump.
And now Bairstow has had a third life - first edge between keeper and slip, second edge dropped by the keeper and third caught at slip but the third umpire decided it was caught on the half volley (very lucky with that last one IMO). Plus Stokes looks sketchy.
At the moment 300 looks a long way away. 500 dreamland.
Still, look on the bright side. An opportunity for our young middle order to show what they can do. Can't always rely on Cook and Root.
Edit 1; bloody hell. Stokes has gone. Feeble waft outside off stump. 212-5 now.
It's Butler time.
Edit 2; Butler time has come and gone. I'm going back to bed for a Saturday morning lie in.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 7:07:08 GMT
This is getting ugly now, time for Buttler to be put out of his misery. Next test Hales in for Buttler, Taylor in for Bell move Moeen to 7 and Bairstow can keep wicket......
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 24, 2015 7:27:16 GMT
This is getting ugly now, time for Buttler to be put out of his misery. Next test Hales in for Buttler, Taylor in for Bell move Moeen to 7 and Bairstow can keep wicket...... Agree - but I think they'll wait for the series in SA to make those changes.
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 24, 2015 7:35:09 GMT
Dickie Bird is giving his Inheritance Tracks on R4's Saturday Live @ 9Ish
Hope he's better than Boycott, cause he likes Katy Perry's Firework!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 7:46:43 GMT
This is getting ugly now, time for Buttler to be put out of his misery. Next test Hales in for Buttler, Taylor in for Bell move Moeen to 7 and Bairstow can keep wicket...... Agree - but I think they'll wait for the series in SA to make those changes. Bell I think you're right, Buttler I see no reason to wait any longer he's got lead in his boots when he bats
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 24, 2015 8:21:12 GMT
Agree - but I think they'll wait for the series in SA to make those changes. Bell I think you're right, Buttler I see no reason to wait any longer he's got lead in his boots when he bats England's Last Chance Saloon is the world's biggest bar!
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 24, 2015 8:21:52 GMT
Damn that's a sad score card to wake up to.
There's too many who are out of form and it is costing Test matches. Bell may have lost it, Buttler looks a shadow of the confidence batsman who we know.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 24, 2015 8:26:04 GMT
It's early but our opener and number 3 problems still seem a hindrance to us being a genuine first class outfit. and 5,6,7 at the moment. Aint that the truth! Buttler in particular is just not a good enough Test batsman at this level. All good teams have a Wicket Keeper all rounder. He averages 31 but against decent sides or in bad conditions he completely crumbles.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 24, 2015 8:55:03 GMT
Aint that the truth! Buttler in particular is just not a good enough Test batsman at this level. All good teams have a Wicket Keeper all rounder. He averages 31 but against decent sides or in bad conditions he completely crumbles. Bairstow doesn't look like the answer either. His innings this morning was desperate - completely at sea against the spinner. Could have been out three times before he was put out of his misery. I'm therefore unsure what to do about the keeper. Maybe go back, temporarily, to a reliable experienced pro like Foster at Essex to give the younger players some time at county level to get their games sorted. Test match cricket is not the place to work out serious problems.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 24, 2015 9:06:07 GMT
Aint that the truth! Buttler in particular is just not a good enough Test batsman at this level. All good teams have a Wicket Keeper all rounder. He averages 31 but against decent sides or in bad conditions he completely crumbles. Bairstow doesn't look like the answer either. His innings this morning was desperate - completely at sea against the spinner. Could have been out three times before he was put out of his misery. I'm therefore unsure what to do about the keeper. Maybe go back, temporarily, to a reliable experienced pro like Foster at Essex to give the younger players some time at county level to get their games sorted. Test match cricket is not the place to work out serious problems. I know what you mean, Bairstow's average in Tests is even lower that Buttler's. I do think he's got more character than Buttler though. 4 of his Test 50's have come against South Africa and Australia, Buttler has never performed against the top sides. I'd put Bairstow behind the stumps for now but wouldn't have any problem with a complete change along the lines you suggest.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 9:20:21 GMT
Taylor is A decent player of spin, that's what makes It all the more bizarre
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 24, 2015 9:28:23 GMT
Taylor is A decent player of spin, that's what makes It all the more bizarre England selection policy makes it very hard to get picked, but much harder to get dropped! Been that way for a good many years now. They've taken the form is temporary, class permanent argument to the point of absurdity.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 24, 2015 10:58:07 GMT
Taylor is A decent player of spin, that's what makes It all the more bizarre England selection policy makes it very hard to get picked, but much harder to get dropped! Been that way for a good many years now. They've taken the form is temporary, class permanent argument to the point of absurdity. And that's the problem. I thought a new coach may change things but if we don't see changes after this test (assuming we don't turn it around) then the problems maybe deeper.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 24, 2015 11:37:25 GMT
After the strange first test, this one is looking very familiar to the last series when our bowlers performed valiantly in restricting Pakistan to relatively modest scores but our batsmen failed to deliver their end of the deal.
Has to be said we are looking at a heavy defeat now in this test. Pakistan already 250 up with 7 wickets left. A lead of 300 will probably do the trick for them. I expect though , as there's plenty of time left in the game (and assuming they don't get bowled out) they'll be looking for a lead well above 400 before declaring and give themselves 4 sessions to bowl us out on a wearing pitch.
They'll be thinking there's just the two critical wickets to take and the rest, lacking both the application and technique needed for a 4th innings backs to the wall knock, is just a matter of time.
I think I'll go and walk the dog!
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Post by derrida1437 on Oct 24, 2015 12:00:13 GMT
After the strange first test, this one is looking very familiar to the last series when our bowlers performed valiantly in restricting Pakistan to relatively modest scores but our batsmen failed to deliver their end of the deal. Has to be said we are looking at a heavy defeat now in this test. Pakistan already 250 up with 7 wickets left. A lead of 300 will probably do the trick for them. I expect though , as there's plenty of time left in the game (and assuming they don't get bowled out) they'll be looking for a lead well above 400 before declaring and give themselves 4 sessions to bowl us out on a wearing pitch. They'll be thinking there's just the two critical wickets to take and the rest, lacking both the application and technique needed for a 4th innings backs to the wall knock, is just a matter of time. I think I'll go and walk the dog! Power of positive thought, and all that.....
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 25, 2015 8:08:17 GMT
Pakistan near enough 450 ahead at lunch with plenty of wickets in hand. Just a question of when they declare - if they do now, there's a good chance they could bowl England out by close of play today.
Whatever - that appalling morning session on the third day cost us this game. It's not possible to recover from calamitous cricket on that scale (I say hoping to be proved wrong - but thinking there's more chance of Kylie Minogue knocking on my front door this morning asking for a cup of sugar and wondering if I'd mind giving her neck a wee massage).
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 25, 2015 9:25:08 GMT
Pakistan near enough 450 ahead at lunch with plenty of wickets in hand. Just a question of when they declare - if they do now, there's a good chance they could bowl England out by close of play today. Whatever - that appalling morning session on the third day cost us this game. It's not possible to recover from calamitous cricket on that scale (I say hoping to be proved wrong - but thinking there's more chance of Kylie Minogue knocking on my front door this morning asking for a cup of sugar and wondering if I'd mind giving her neck a wee massage). Given your (nearly accurate) optimism in the first test, I take it you're confident of a 491 run chase? Did she want granulated btw?
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 25, 2015 9:50:39 GMT
Pakistan near enough 450 ahead at lunch with plenty of wickets in hand. Just a question of when they declare - if they do now, there's a good chance they could bowl England out by close of play today. Whatever - that appalling morning session on the third day cost us this game. It's not possible to recover from calamitous cricket on that scale (I say hoping to be proved wrong - but thinking there's more chance of Kylie Minogue knocking on my front door this morning asking for a cup of sugar and wondering if I'd mind giving her neck a wee massage). Given your (nearly accurate) optimism in the first test, I take it you're confident of a 491 run chase? Did she want granulated btw? No great optimism that Kylie will turn up. Even less for England's prospects. I'll be surprised if there's a fifth day in this test. On the bright side, the likes of Bell and Butler should be able to bat with some freedom. It's not as if another failure for either is going to change their immediate future. Mind you, I said the same about Lyth in the last Ashes test, and that made no difference to his wretched run of low scores! Where there's life, there's hope...
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 25, 2015 10:03:05 GMT
Given your (nearly accurate) optimism in the first test, I take it you're confident of a 491 run chase? Did she want granulated btw? No great optimism that Kylie will turn up. Even less for England's prospects. I'll be surprised if there's a fifth day in this test. On the bright side, the likes of Bell and Butler should be able to bat with some freedom. It's not as if another failure for either is going to change their immediate future. Mind you, I said the same about Lyth in the last Ashes test, and that made no difference to his wretched run of low scores! Where there's life, there's hope... We need Bishp back to tell us that this is a doddle. Moeen failed again. That little experiment seems to have failed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 10:31:19 GMT
Cook batted like a 91 year old with raging arthritis. Feel for him he looked absolutely knackered. It's game over but the likes of Bairstow, Stokes and Buttler need to show some technique against spin and at least make it difficult for Pakistan...,
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 25, 2015 10:58:40 GMT
Cook batted like a 91 year old with raging arthritis. Feel for him he looked absolutely knackered. It's game over but the likes of Bairstow, Stokes and Buttler need to show some technique against spin and at least make it difficult for Pakistan..., It's a bit of a worry that one of our only two batsmen who've shown any sort of form now looks injured. If Cook doesn't make the final Test then we really do have problems.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 25, 2015 12:05:15 GMT
Something we've seen in this series is a tendency to lose wickets early in an innings (well, if you catch catches leastways) followed by a period of steady run accumulation. Looks like we're well into that phase in England's second innings. So, two batsmen well in, both now in the 30s. Let's see if they can make it count. The Pakistan batsmen have taken advantage of this period of the game by scoring tons. Time for both Root and Bell to deliver three figure scores.
C'mon boys. Show a bit of fight. Some quality. Some bona fide class.
Edit.
Bell, of course, flattered to deceive. Out for 46. Root still there at stumps with Bairstow (who looks like a rabbit stuck in the headlights), so a humiliating collapse was avoided today. Plenty of time left for humiliation on the final day - but I'll take the fact we are still in the game as a good thing.
Let's hope Root goes big tomorrow. He's thrown away a few chances recently to post hundreds. He's too good not to post those "daddy hundreds" Gooch likes to talk about.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 25, 2015 14:00:03 GMT
Meanwhile over in India remarkable stuff in the 5th ODI.
South Africa scored 438-4 which featured 3 (three) centurions. Not too surprising that de Villiers was one of them, nor that his 119 Came off just 61 balls but hitting 11 sixes in that knock was quite spectacular.
India's reply is live now on SS5 - and they are doing quite well 137-2 of 21 overs. A long way to go though.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 25, 2015 16:31:18 GMT
Drop Butler, put Bairstow behind the stumps,drop Ali down the order and open with Hales.also replace Bell with Taylor. That is only 2 changes, but a completely different batting order.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 26, 2015 0:08:58 GMT
Drop Butler, put Bairstow behind the stumps,drop Ali down the order and open with Hales.also replace Bell with Taylor. That is only 2 changes, but a completely different batting order. I'd go for something similar. If Cook's back doesn't recover then we'll be opening with Hales and Moeen, and I suspect that they'll be reluctant to drop Bell and Buttler too.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Oct 26, 2015 0:31:35 GMT
The players in this side have the ability to bat out 90 overs.......it's just a question of if they have the bottle.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 26, 2015 0:56:52 GMT
The players in this side have the ability to bat out 90 overs.......it's just a question of if they have the bottle. To do that we need Root to bat for most of tomorrow, and somebody else to bat a long disciplined innings. The batsmen are capable, but it's hard to see Stokes or Bairstow doing that. And Buttler is really struggling to get anything at the moment. Part of the problem is that from 5 through to 10 we have attacking batsmen who generally have built their careers on the shorter formats of the game. I know we're in this new era of England playing attacking cricket but when wickets are tumbling you want test batsmen to get their heads down and build an innings.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 26, 2015 7:07:02 GMT
The beginning of the end... Root gone for 71.
Now all we have left are our expert 20/20 hitters. Should we do a sweep about when we'll be put out of our misery. I'll go for 30 minutes after lunch.
Yes - you can reasonably accuse me of being a starry eyed optimist!
Edit; now Bairstow has gone. Down to Stokes and Butler to steady the ship... Stop sniggering at the back!
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