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Post by pyrus on Oct 6, 2015 6:35:19 GMT
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Post by potterpaul on Oct 6, 2015 6:40:34 GMT
Totally agree with MH on this one and hope he continues with that partnership.
Saying that I do so much want Van Ginkel to come good, which I think will happen sooner rather than later.
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Post by lordb on Oct 6, 2015 6:44:11 GMT
Charlie doesn't gives away free kicks more than anyone else. He just does it more spectacularly...
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Post by Gods on Oct 6, 2015 6:46:15 GMT
Did Sparky really say this "Goodness me, he almost scored another wonder goal." He doesn't strike me as a "goodness me" sort of a man
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Post by slpmarc on Oct 6, 2015 7:08:22 GMT
Adam won 2 of his 7 tackles attempted in the past 2 games. He ain't a box to box midfielder. Though I do like Charlie but he ain't a long term solution to that role
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 7:21:47 GMT
I be surprised to see Charlie managing 7 miles in a season let alone per game.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 6, 2015 7:29:55 GMT
Could we get special dispensation for him to use one of these?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 6, 2015 7:55:04 GMT
He does have an unnerring ability to take the man out along with the ball in pretty much every tackle.
But at least he seems to be concentrating on not getting booked by staying on his feet.
With the amount of work that Glenn does it does allow Adam to be there mainly for his passing on the ball which is still the best in the team that we have.
MVG wasnt really offering anything creatively from a deep position so we cant seem to play on the break with him in the team. Hes too much like Glen in that he likes small 5 yard sideways passes.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 6, 2015 8:08:00 GMT
I haven't seen anyone else produce enough to suggest they are going to challenge Charlie for that position to be honest.
None of the other candidates scream "pick me, pick me" do they?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 6, 2015 8:11:07 GMT
Adam won 2 of his 7 tackles attempted in the past 2 games. He ain't a box to box midfielder. Though I do like Charlie but he ain't a long term solution to that role I tend to agree. Adam's passing (long and short) is good and has got more consistent recently. His ability to take chances is as good as you could wish for in a central midfielder. He has the vision thing. The two things which worry me are: his stamina - which has improved but he often fades, and his tackling which is deffo from the Paul Scholes book of football. In Saturday's game he committed half the fouls which Stoke committed during the game - that means a booking (or two!) is never far away and he's always going to give away too many free kicks for comfort. Against the better Prem teams, I'd much rather we had a N'Zonzi type player in the side with Adam on the bench as an impact player - a job he can do very well.
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Post by reddipotter on Oct 6, 2015 8:11:58 GMT
The golden period towards the end of last season was when N'Zonzi and Adam interchanged, with N'Zonzi learning how to go forwards and Charlie learning how to defend without giving away free kicks. He did it then and can do it again. He is our most creative central midfielder and really has to play.
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Post by foster on Oct 6, 2015 8:15:57 GMT
Adam won 2 of his 7 tackles attempted in the past 2 games. He ain't a box to box midfielder. Though I do like Charlie but he ain't a long term solution to that role I don't think anyone in the squad is a long term replacement for that role mate. I don't see any of the current group as equal to let alone an upgrade on N'Zonzi.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 6, 2015 8:20:00 GMT
I be surprised to see Charlie managing 7 miles in a season let alone per game. Adam is always in the top three Stoke player distance covered in every game he completes 90 minutes. He even beat N'Zonzi on occasion.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 6, 2015 8:34:03 GMT
I be surprised to see Charlie managing 7 miles in a season let alone per game. Adam is always in the top three Stoke player distance covered in every game he completes 90 minutes. He even beat N'Zonzi on occasion. Yeah its a figment of peoples imagination that Adam doesnt run. He gets up and down the field better than most players, its just that he burns himself out after 60 minutes usually. I guess if he keeps shooting from his own half it saves him having to actually run to the other end of the pitch
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 6, 2015 8:41:18 GMT
Last line of defence. Not sure about Charlie in that position, except perhaps against the Arse.
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Post by liamo on Oct 6, 2015 9:49:15 GMT
I might be in the minority but i like Adam in that role, N'zonzi might be quicker and fitter and a better tackler but there's no denying that 90% of the time he slowed a break down, Adam picks the ball up and releases someone and that's how we'll score goals, Adam is a better passer than anyone else on the team and will find a Stoke player more often than not
As long as Whelan is on his game we can afford to have Adam standing there filling space without attempting to make difficult challenges
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Post by superstokiesimo on Oct 6, 2015 10:03:25 GMT
I might be in the minority but i like Adam in that role, N'zonzi might be quicker and fitter and a better tackler but there's no denying that 90% of the time he slowed a break down, Adam picks the ball up and releases someone and that's how we'll score goals, Adam is a better passer than anyone else on the team and will find a Stoke player more often than not As long as Whelan is on his game we can afford to have Adam standing there filling space without attempting to make difficult challenges Exactly. We have enough quality players and Adam will at least score goals
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Post by stokesaint1 on Oct 6, 2015 10:07:47 GMT
This is good kidology from Mark Hughes. In truth, anyone could play the N'Zonzi role but the issue is more about how effectively they play the role and I've seen nothing to suggest we currently have anyone that is half as effective as N'Zonzi was. It was summed up for me perfectly, by Arnie, after the Liverpool game where Arnie highlighted on camera that N'Zonzi was the main man. He was absolutely spot on. Charlie is doing OK, better than MVG to date but he aint no Fonz.
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Post by upthefud on Oct 6, 2015 10:42:07 GMT
Called this from the summer. Really hope Hughes sticks with it.
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Post by lordb on Oct 6, 2015 11:01:05 GMT
Arnie,Bojan,Shaq need the ball
best CM's to get it to them are Arnie & Ireland Afellay could play there
MVG has started to show he can get about the pitch however been disapointed with his passing so far in that he doesn't 'demand' the ball.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 6, 2015 11:03:40 GMT
Je suis Charlie.
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 6, 2015 11:04:09 GMT
Against top sides we would get sliced open with Glen and Charlie in the middle.
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Post by liamo on Oct 6, 2015 11:13:47 GMT
Against top sides we would get sliced open with Glen and Charlie in the middle. We got sliced up with V. Ginkel in the middle against Arsenal, it's a case of making do for now because we have no natural Zonz replacement
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Post by skip on Oct 6, 2015 11:26:41 GMT
Last line of defence. Not sure about Charlie in that position, except perhaps against the Arse. A fridge magnet of that image adorns the white board in front of my desk as I work/type/scive/speak. An Arsenal fan has moved into my office. She hates my fridge magnet.
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Post by roylandstoke on Oct 6, 2015 11:28:14 GMT
Of the players available to partner Whelan, Adam is first choice for me.
I'd be inclined to try Ireland there before MVG, as I think that we would keep the ball better with him in the team. Hopefully MVG will improve through hard work in training to make a claim for this position as the season continues.
When Ryan is back fit Hughes may see Cameron as an alternative to Charlie alongside Glenn. That would put a lot of responsiblity on Bojan to set up our play so I don't see this happening until the little man is fully fit; even then I think it is a long shot.
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Post by reddipotter on Oct 6, 2015 11:28:20 GMT
I might be in the minority but i like Adam in that role, N'zonzi might be quicker and fitter and a better tackler but there's no denying that 90% of the time he slowed a break down, Adam picks the ball up and releases someone and that's how we'll score goals, Adam is a better passer than anyone else on the team and will find a Stoke player more often than not As long as Whelan is on his game we can afford to have Adam standing there filling space without attempting to make difficult challenges I'm in that minority, too.
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Post by rich0529 on Oct 6, 2015 11:36:25 GMT
I disagree, I think Charlie is a good impact sub to maybe put in that position, personally I would start with either van ginkle or Cameron.
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Post by sportsman on Oct 6, 2015 11:40:46 GMT
Adam won 2 of his 7 tackles attempted in the past 2 games. He ain't a box to box midfielder. Though I do like Charlie but he ain't a long term solution to that role But neither was nzonzi a box to box midfielder.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Oct 6, 2015 11:45:59 GMT
No I do not think Charlie is a replacement for N'Zonzi,as much as I like him. Doesn't have the pace for the role.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 11:49:35 GMT
Adam won 2 of his 7 tackles attempted in the past 2 games. He ain't a box to box midfielder. Though I do like Charlie but he ain't a long term solution to that role The manager seems to disagree
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