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Post by liamo on Aug 8, 2015 10:10:18 GMT
Not just about Geoff, the whole team takes a hit if they see Sparky trying to sign a long term replacement for Shawcross, as it is now they just have to patch it up for a couple of months until he's back, there's a sense of togetherness at Stoke, fans included and that takes a hit too when you try to buy a replacement for your injured captain Not only that but what about Shawcross in the long term? Out injured for 2 months and he's replaced? Hardly paying loyalty with loyalty is it? Might be the type of situation that makes him question his future and where it lies.. Shawcross will walk back into the team once he's fit regardless of who comes in. Doesn't the team take a hit when its inspirational captain is out for a period of time and there's nobody else who comes remotely close to him to step up to the plate? What if he isn't back in a couple of months? What if it's Christmas? What if it's longer? It's a good opportunity for someone to step up then, we coped well without Shawcross last season when we had to and if it turns out that it's taking longer than they'd hoped to get him back to full fitness then we'll have to address that in the Christmas window I think some are seriously underestimating players like Cameron and Wolly, they're only thinking back to the bad games and what's the point in having squad players if they aren't used when we've got a player injured?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 8, 2015 10:24:11 GMT
Shawcross will walk back into the team once he's fit regardless of who comes in. Doesn't the team take a hit when its inspirational captain is out for a period of time and there's nobody else who comes remotely close to him to step up to the plate? What if he isn't back in a couple of months? What if it's Christmas? What if it's longer? It's a good opportunity for someone to step up then, we coped well without Shawcross last season when we had to and if it turns out that it's taking longer than they'd hoped to get him back to full fitness then we'll have to address that in the Christmas window I think some are seriously underestimating players like Cameron and Wolly, they're only thinking back to the bad games and what's the point in having squad players if they aren't used when we've got a player injured? I agree about squad players provided they're good enough. I can't think of many good games either have had at centre half. I'd struggle to think of more than about five between them. Are we really prepared to give it half a season before addressing it?
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Post by butlerstbob on Aug 8, 2015 10:29:42 GMT
Well compared to last years team we are short of 4 automatic names of the team list - bego, Ryan, nzonzi and Moses. Anyone who thinks that their loss will not be felt or that these have been, so far, all adequately replaced, is clearly delusional how are we delusional? Bego was not at his best and cost us points, Ryan was never himself and missed how many games? Nzonzi was average and couldnt run forward with the ball or shoot until something changed at the turn of the year THEN he was superb! And Moses was fairly good but was in and out the side due to injuries! We now have Van Ginkel who Jose rates and has played for Holand! also Afellay who played 21 yes 21 times for Barca, we have Bojan very close to a return, and your saying we are delusional! I understand peoples frustrations but we can not make players sign for us, so whilst people slash their wrists I along with many others will enjoy every minute of tomorrow and the games to come, yes we will lose some but we will certainly win some too and I cant wait for tomorrow!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 10:37:43 GMT
We could conceivably start Sunday's game with 8 of the players that won our last Premier League fixture 6-1. Coming into the team could well be a signing from Barcelona who has 50 Holland caps, one who's won 50 England caps and one of England's best young goalkeepers. If you think that's limited, then fair enough. So that's one who has been injured and not yet returned to previous form, one who is past it and seemingly not bothered and one who is unproven at this level. My goodness how you can flower things up. We need a good start , confidence is going to be key with this side with the media constantly wishing Liverpool into the champions league because of the size of their fan base. I believe we could not have had a worse first fixture. All seems set up to justify Brenda staying in his job and publicly live on TV as well. If Benteke had come to Stoke it would have been the kind of investment MOST were looking for a Marque signing to "Rock the City" and show that we were serious about pushing for Europe. Or do you think he is too good for poor little old Stoke whos fans should be happy we got a retiring England defender and a few freebies.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 8, 2015 10:41:02 GMT
We could conceivably start Sunday's game with 8 of the players that won our last Premier League fixture 6-1. Coming into the team could well be a signing from Barcelona who has 50 Holland caps, one who's won 50 England caps and one of England's best young goalkeepers. If you think that's limited, then fair enough. So that's one who has been injured and not yet returned to previous form, one who is past it and seemingly not bothered and one who is unproven at this level. My goodness how you can flower things up. We need a good start , confidence is going to be key with this side with the media constantly wishing Liverpool into the champions league because of the size of their fan base. I believe we could not have had a worse first fixture. All seems set up to justify Brenda staying in his job and publicly live on TV as well. If Benteke had come to Stoke it would have been the kind of investment MOST were looking for a Marque signing to "Rock the City" and show that we were serious about pushing for Europe. Or do you think he is too good for poor little old Stoke whos fans should be happy we got a retiring England defender and a few freebies. To be fair, Benteke was never going to come to Stoke was he? He had his sights set high and even then his new club had to pay one of the biggest fees in British transfer history to sign him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 10:43:37 GMT
Having seen the squad it's one of the most technical, skilful, exciting, high profile squad I have seen for many years and I'm looking forward to further additions to make it even better. We have a very very good team that will be a pleasure to watch. Roll on tomorrow and the coming season will be special IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 10:52:20 GMT
After playing at the shambles that is Aston Villa and now boasting a manager that embodies the word "Cock" I would have though Benteke would have seriously considered going to the Championship to rebuild and escape .
His career at Villa was dragging him down and I'm certain he is eternally grateful for having been rescued from obscurity and given a shot at Champions League and certainly Europa which he must have thought was gone for good.
The notion that he would never have come to Stoke is the exact reason that no one of his ilk will come. Our fans don't even believe we are a big enough club to entice a player from the failing Villa to play for us.
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Post by liamo on Aug 8, 2015 10:52:51 GMT
It's a good opportunity for someone to step up then, we coped well without Shawcross last season when we had to and if it turns out that it's taking longer than they'd hoped to get him back to full fitness then we'll have to address that in the Christmas window I think some are seriously underestimating players like Cameron and Wolly, they're only thinking back to the bad games and what's the point in having squad players if they aren't used when we've got a player injured? I agree about squad players provided they're good enough. I can't think of many good games either have had at centre half. I'd struggle to think of more than about five between them. Are we really prepared to give it half a season before addressing it? Sparky is willing so i'll trust him to do the right thing, the problem is that Ryan has been our rock at the back for so long that the back four worked around him, it'll take time for new partnerships to gel, i fully expect us to be fine though
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 10:54:19 GMT
That we are going into our first game of the season with such a limited first 11 We have dabbled, discussed and deturchitated an improved first 11 but clearly would rather take huge risks than financially shore up a very good first 11 Our support is more critical than ever but why we are left to be the 12th man when we should be looking to build on such strong foundations only the Coates family know. In Hughes we trust on a wing and a prayer I totally agree , the lack of spending and selling 2 key players is the mark of low ambition. We need to be getting really quality in. Our first 11 is no better to that of last season . Yes the squad is stronger however , we need to splash the cash we were promised at the end of last season to out the finishing touches to a good side. Dreading tomorrow really am. Hope I'm proved wrong
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 8, 2015 10:54:45 GMT
I agree about squad players provided they're good enough. I can't think of many good games either have had at centre half. I'd struggle to think of more than about five between them. Are we really prepared to give it half a season before addressing it? Sparky is willing so i'll trust him to do the right thing, the problem is that Ryan has been our rock at the back for so long that the back four worked around him, it'll take time for new partnerships to gel, i fully expect us to be fine though We may well be fine, you're right to point out we coped ok without him in January. I think worrying is inevitable given how important Ryan is though, especially when you factor in basically losing the spine of the squad this summer. I wouldn't rule out Hughes moving for a defender before the end of the window just yet and I wouldn't blame him if he did.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 10:55:57 GMT
No shawcross , no Arnie, no nzonzi
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 10:57:13 GMT
I think this window so far has been an absolute fcuk up by everyone at Stoke and just goes to show where the owners priorities lye and what the future holds, free signings and chasing targets that they're obviously kidding Joe public with. Hughes must have the patience of a saint to put up with this lot. So far in the past three season our most expensive signing has been 5m . Ridiculous
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Post by Pirate on Aug 8, 2015 11:31:07 GMT
I think this window so far has been an absolute fcuk up by everyone at Stoke and just goes to show where the owners priorities lye and what the future holds, free signings and chasing targets that they're obviously kidding Joe public with. Hughes must have the patience of a saint to put up with this lot. So far in the past three season our most expensive signing has been 5m . Ridiculous What is ridiculous about it, if we had spent £15mil on Joselu would you be delighted. There is nothing more foolish than advocating spending just for the sake of it, its almost like you are not bothered who we sign as long as they come with a massive fee, that signify's ambition to you????
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 11:34:52 GMT
So far in the past three season our most expensive signing has been 5m . Ridiculous What is ridiculous about it, if we had spent £15mil on Joselu would you be delighted. There is nothing more foolish than advocating spending just for the sake of it, its almost like you are not bothered who we sign as long as they come with a massive fee, that signify's ambition to you???? No I wouldn't because I had no idea who he was. We need to sign quality not rejects from other teams
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Post by liamo on Aug 8, 2015 11:40:52 GMT
What is ridiculous about it, if we had spent £15mil on Joselu would you be delighted. There is nothing more foolish than advocating spending just for the sake of it, its almost like you are not bothered who we sign as long as they come with a massive fee, that signify's ambition to you???? No I wouldn't because I had no idea who he was. We need to sign quality not rejects from other teams Sparky should get your number and see if you've heard of players before signing them then? No relatively unheard of player has ever gone on to be an amazing player ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif)
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 8, 2015 11:40:59 GMT
Fucking retards.
A player value has no reflection on the ability of the player, just the need of the buying club to sign him and the size of his contract left.
I would rather sign 50 Bojan's and Diouf's who we diligently scouted knowing we could get a great deal on, than spend £15million on 1 player that another club had a say on if he was sold.
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Post by butlerstbob on Aug 8, 2015 11:46:53 GMT
What is ridiculous about it, if we had spent £15mil on Joselu would you be delighted. There is nothing more foolish than advocating spending just for the sake of it, its almost like you are not bothered who we sign as long as they come with a massive fee, that signify's ambition to you???? No I wouldn't because I had no idea who he was. We need to sign quality not rejects from other teams Have you been living in a hole tha last month? We have been trying to sign quality, unfortunately the type of player that we require to take us from 9th upwards are the same type of player that most champions league teams want and hence they sign for top sides rather than us! When is this going to sink in with you folk! I see it as a measure of how far we have come rather than an opertunity to slag off our club for not getting these signings over the line. Yes I am a little frustrated we havent signed a top defender and midfielder but be honest and ask yourself who could we buy to IMPROVE us and push us on that also wouldnt sign for spurs, everton, swans, and liverpool? Stay calm and support STOKE! And stop being a retard!
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Post by Pirate on Aug 8, 2015 11:46:56 GMT
What is ridiculous about it, if we had spent £15mil on Joselu would you be delighted. There is nothing more foolish than advocating spending just for the sake of it, its almost like you are not bothered who we sign as long as they come with a massive fee, that signify's ambition to you???? No I wouldn't because I had no idea who he was. We need to sign quality not rejects from other teams So please explain where the fee has any bearing on your ethos?? Sorry but rejects from other teams, everyone has a price & situations at various clubs can be completely different from player to player. You could say every player on the planet has been a reject at one point or another based on that. Good job we never signed that Norwich reject Sheron, or Chelsea drop out Stein, Greenhoff clearly couldn't cut it at Birmingham, must have been why he was so shit eh?? You bemoan our lack of expenditure, then berate the players we have spent money on because you don't even know who they are, thus proving you don't have the foggiest if they are shit or not????????
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 8, 2015 11:50:36 GMT
No I wouldn't because I had no idea who he was. We need to sign quality not rejects from other teams So please explain where the fee has any bearing on your ethos?? Sorry but rejects from other teams, everyone has a price & situations at various clubs can be completely different from player to player. You could say every player on the planet has been a reject at one point or another based on that. Good job we never signed that Norwich reject Sheron, or Chelsea drop out Stein, Greenhoff clearly couldn't cut it at Birmingham, must have been why he was so shit eh?? You bemoan our lack of expenditure, then berate the players we have spent money on because you don't even know who they are, thus proving you don't have the foggiest if they are shit or not???????? Pity we signed that Manu reject as he has been appalling, what his name again, think it's Ryan Shawcross ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 8, 2015 11:52:21 GMT
I'm shocked and stunned at what a bunch of fickle, plastic, moaning, precious, disgraceful little entitled cunts we've become.
I never thought I'd see the day when we turned into what we so often take the piss out of on this board, vile premiership elitist scrotums.
And this is coming from a self confessed miserable bastard where Stoke are concerned, this pre-season has been nothing short of a disgrace, players written off before they've even signed, players written off 10 minutes into their debut, the management questioned, the transfer team questioned because we aren't spending £30 million on one player which is apparently what successful teams do.
I can only hope this is the view of only a few deranged zealots on here and not the support in general, because it's pitiful, pointless and downright fucking stupid, support the team for once instead of repeating the same tiresome shit on every single thread in existence, you've made your point, stop ramming it down people's throats at every opportunity just to satisfy your need for either attention or your negativity powered erection stroking.
Pathetic.
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Post by bmstoke on Aug 8, 2015 11:54:17 GMT
I'm shocked and stunned at what a bunch of fickle, plastic, moaning, precious, disgraceful little entitled cunts we've become. I never thought I'd see the day when we turned into what we so often take the piss out of on this board, vile premiership elitist scrotums. And this is coming from a self confessed miserable bastard where Stoke are concerned, this pre-season has been nothing short of a disgrace, players written off before they've even signed, players written off 10 minutes into their debut, the management questioned, the transfer team questioned because we aren't spending £30 million on one player which is apparently what successful teams do. I can only hope this is the view of only a few deranged zealots on here and not the support in general, because it's pitiful, pointless and downright fucking stupid, support the team for once instead of repeating the same tiresome shit on every single thread in existence, you've made your point, stop ramming it down people's throats at every opportunity just to satisfy your need for either attention or your negativity powered erection stroking. Pathetic. Fucking brilliant.
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Post by butlerstbob on Aug 8, 2015 11:56:35 GMT
I'm shocked and stunned at what a bunch of fickle, plastic, moaning, precious, disgraceful little entitled cunts we've become. I never thought I'd see the day when we turned into what we so often take the piss out of on this board, vile premiership elitist scrotums. And this is coming from a self confessed miserable bastard where Stoke are concerned, this pre-season has been nothing short of a disgrace, players written off before they've even signed, players written off 10 minutes into their debut, the management questioned, the transfer team questioned because we aren't spending £30 million on one player which is apparently what successful teams do. I can only hope this is the view of only a few deranged zealots on here and not the support in general, because it's pitiful, pointless and downright fucking stupid, support the team for once instead of repeating the same tiresome shit on every single thread in existence, you've made your point, stop ramming it down people's throats at every opportunity just to satisfy your need for either attention or your negativity powered erection stroking. Pathetic. Fucking brilliant. I will raise you....doubleeeeeey fucking brilliant! If thats a word?
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Post by Pirate on Aug 8, 2015 11:57:48 GMT
I'm shocked and stunned at what a bunch of fickle, plastic, moaning, precious, disgraceful little entitled cunts we've become. I never thought I'd see the day when we turned into what we so often take the piss out of on this board, vile premiership elitist scrotums. And this is coming from a self confessed miserable bastard where Stoke are concerned, this pre-season has been nothing short of a disgrace, players written off before they've even signed, players written off 10 minutes into their debut, the management questioned, the transfer team questioned because we aren't spending £30 million on one player which is apparently what successful teams do. I can only hope this is the view of only a few deranged zealots on here and not the support in general, because it's pitiful, pointless and downright fucking stupid, support the team for once instead of repeating the same tiresome shit on every single thread in existence, you've made your point, stop ramming it down people's throats at every opportunity just to satisfy your need for either attention or your negativity powered erection stroking. Pathetic. Top post.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 8, 2015 11:58:09 GMT
Yes the 'soft twats' are out in force today.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 13:30:04 GMT
I've been shocked and stunned a few times with Stoke but I'm not aware of being 'deturchitated'. You know what it is then ? Nope, still trying to work it out Harry !
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 8, 2015 13:48:27 GMT
You know what it is then ? Nope, still trying to work it out Harry ! It's a known unknown , I did google it and the original post is now a googleable word . History in the making
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 14:00:17 GMT
Something a lot of people are forgetting regarding our lack of 'quality' signings and our so called lack of ambition.
We've finished 9th for two consecutive seasons. Personally, I'm delighted with that but for some on here it's not enough. So, to please them and show some ambition we need to buy quality players who are good enough to be in any top seven side and push us into a European spot.
The problem everyone misses is that these players are already at clubs who are guaranteed European football or who flirt with the Europa league on a regular basis. These players want European football every year and rightly so if they are good enough.
I dont think money is the issue, it's not a lack of ambition by the club either. Top players want top European football and that's something we cannot guarantee them yet. It's frustrating for us but it's a difficult time in the transfer market as far as Stoke go. We want top players to come but we are not viewed as a top side with European football in players eyes. It'll change, it just takes time and a bit of luck.
Be patient folks, it's a pivotal point in our history. We can only hope it swings in our favour but if it doesn't it won't be for the lack of trying and it certainly won't be for a lack of ambition.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Aug 8, 2015 15:59:33 GMT
I'm shocked and stunned at what a bunch of fickle, plastic, moaning, precious, disgraceful little entitled cunts we've become. I never thought I'd see the day when we turned into what we so often take the piss out of on this board, vile premiership elitist scrotums. And this is coming from a self confessed miserable bastard where Stoke are concerned, this pre-season has been nothing short of a disgrace, players written off before they've even signed, players written off 10 minutes into their debut, the management questioned, the transfer team questioned because we aren't spending £30 million on one player which is apparently what successful teams do. I can only hope this is the view of only a few deranged zealots on here and not the support in general, because it's pitiful, pointless and downright fucking stupid, support the team for once instead of repeating the same tiresome shit on every single thread in existence, you've made your point, stop ramming it down people's throats at every opportunity just to satisfy your need for either attention or your negativity powered erection stroking. Pathetic. Top post. Yep. So. Fucking. Weak. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using proboards
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Post by RAF on Aug 8, 2015 16:08:48 GMT
Some of the posters on this thread need to go into hibernation for 6 months as I'm scared they might commit suicide any minute. Do us all a favour , fuck off and come back in 6 months and see how we are doing then you bunch of weak hearted handbag swinging tarts!
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Post by stokeny on Aug 8, 2015 16:15:47 GMT
So last summer's net spend
Hull 25 million (relegated) QPR 21 million (relegated) Sunderland 10 million (shit as usual) Bar codes 25 million (dreadful season)
Stoke 0.5 million (make your own minds up, but I was very happy) Southampton PROFIT 31 million Swansea 1.5 million
Why do the knicker wetters seem to think we have to spunk away good money or we are doomed?
Look at some of the top European teams from Portugal/Spain etc on a higher level than all the teams above and spend less. It's mental the amount being spent on bang average players.
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