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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 8:55:27 GMT
This whole situation is similar to when your wife finds one of your old, past-its-best jumpers at the back of the wardrobe, and insists on throwing it away. You argue it's a good and useful jumper, with some sentimental value, but she points out you haven't worn it for the entire time she's known you, so it can't be that good. Her logic is hard to deny so you reluctantly agree to take it to a charity shop, but all the while you have a sneaky feeling at the back of your mind that just won't go away, that this time your wife is wrong, and there will be one terrible wet and windy night in the future when you'll be shivering your bollocks off in the fashionable Jamie Oliver style tracksuit top she bought you for Christmas, while some other git is feeling nice and warm in your old jumper. I left some of my old rags out this morning for the Charity van which they gratefully collected . An hour later whilst talking to my neighbours in the front garden the van drove past at speed and some bastuurd through the bag at me shouting "we're not that fucking desperate ! " I was mortally offended and deeply socially scarred .
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 4, 2015 8:59:18 GMT
Discuss yes, beat the living day lights out of is uncalled for. You know as well as I do there are differences between leagues from around the world. Let's take Muniesa for instance. He was introduced slowly into the team and as done incredibly well for it. Wollschield didn't get that and as struggled to adjust. True but Wollscheid is five years older than Muniesa. His problem isn't a lack of experience it's his physical makeup- he's slow and moves awkwardly. Maybe he can overcome that (Per Mertesecker appears to have done so), but people are concerned about it and have a right to express their opinions on here. Of course they have the right to express opinions but tearing him to shreds seems very counter productive to me. I personally wouldn't have him in my starting XI this week but if he is I hope he can reproduce some of his early performances which were pretty good.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 4, 2015 8:59:26 GMT
His early season performances...an assessment that wasn't correct...which, again, is not the point I'm making in reference to Boother's assertion that the only reason we don't rate him is "because he isn't Robert Huth". If you want to have a discussion on whether it's possible for us to call it wrong on players, and use Diouf as an example, then that's fine- I'd agree with you. But that's a different argument entirely. I disagree to a certain extent. I think people are giving Wolly a hard time for 3 reasons 1. According to some he's replaced Huth. Has he? Surely Wilson replaced Huth who has been replaced by Marc Muniesa. Wolly has been brought in to add cover and provide competition for places. 2. Ryan's injury and 3. He's had two particularly poor games, but both of those games, especially Blackburn, the whole team were desperate and we played with 10 men for over half the game. I'm really not sure what you're disagreeing with, Pugsley. People don't rate him because they don't rate him. He's being discussed more at the moment because other factors (Ryan's injury) mean he's more likely to feature in the first-team than he would have otherwise been. Those two horror show games have left a lasting impression on many people, but there have been other concerning aspects to his game that have showed themselves in other matches too. Basically, the guy's been here a few months and people, rightly or wrongly, haven't liked what they've seen.
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Post by captainmainwaring on Aug 4, 2015 9:34:03 GMT
I've seen Ryan Shawcross make mistakes in games and he's rarely criticised. I've recently seen Muniesa, in Cologne, make mistakes and there's been not one critical mention of it. If Wilson, Wollscheid or Teixeira make a mistake they are vilified.
We should accept that all players make mistakes but if you can't accept that, then please be consistent with your criticisms.
I trust the ability of the manager and coaching staff to access whether a player is good enough to play at this level.
I see that Leicester City have just signed a central defender, it seems that their new manager has quickly assessed that this area needs strengthening.
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Post by robchicken on Aug 4, 2015 9:48:16 GMT
My friend supports Mansfield and he said huth was awful against them in a friendly the other day
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 4, 2015 9:50:55 GMT
People are concerned about him because he's not up to the required standard. If he'd come in and delivered the sort of performances that were on a par, or even better, than Huth's do you think anybody would be moaning about him ? Wollscheid looks far too slow at this level, has the turning circle of the QE2 and is surprisingly weak for a bloke his size. No-one wanted him to be crap, regardless of who he replaced, that's just silly talk. People were saying the same about Diouf weren't they? After six months erm NO
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 4, 2015 9:52:20 GMT
I've seen Ryan Shawcross make mistakes in games and he's rarely criticised. I've recently seen Muniesa, in Cologne, make mistakes and there's been not one critical mention of it. If Wilson, Wollscheid or Teixeira make a mistake they are vilified. We should accept that all players make mistakes but if you can't accept that, then please be consistent with your criticisms. I trust the ability of the manager and coaching staff to access whether a player is good enough to play at this level. I see that Leicester City have just signed a central defender, it seems that their new manager has quickly assessed that this area needs strengthening. Maybe he will loan Huth back to us if that is indeed the case.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 4, 2015 10:21:26 GMT
Fairly sure that Marc Wilson will nail down one of the CH spots and demonstrate his consistency and value to us yet again.
I like Muni but he's way off in terms of consistency.....Wolly just looks not to have any pace whatsoever.
Under the radar and pretty much written off I'm fairly confident Wilson will be our unexpected saviour!!!!
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Post by RAF on Aug 4, 2015 11:40:55 GMT
I've seen Ryan Shawcross make mistakes in games and he's rarely criticised. I've recently seen Muniesa, in Cologne, make mistakes and there's been not one critical mention of it. If Wilson, Wollscheid or Teixeira make a mistake they are vilified. We should accept that all players make mistakes but if you can't accept that, then please be consistent with your criticisms. I trust the ability of the manager and coaching staff to access whether a player is good enough to play at this level. I see that Leicester City have just signed a central defender, it seems that their new manager has quickly assessed that this area needs strengthening. Maybe he will loan Huth back to us if that is indeed the case. Christ you really are a hysterical handbag swinging tart. Get a grip or go and watch your hero at the Lineker stadium. H
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Post by enuntio on Aug 4, 2015 11:51:47 GMT
Now it looks like it might come back and bite us on the arse, with ShawX struggling and Wooly looking a bit shite we may have to depend on a centre back pairing out of Wilson/Tex/Muni. Getting concerned yet - I am. Gouranga. As soon as Ryan went down, twice. In a home game, clutching his back. I said at the time that HUTH should now be recalled and kept at Stoke. Huth was as much a captain for stock as Ryan, and this can't pass bollocks just doesn't wash. He wasn't there to pass, he was there to stop goals being scored. We were pretty poor defensively for most of the season. It was there for all to see. WE MISSED ROBERT HUTH
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 4, 2015 12:14:28 GMT
Now it looks like it might come back and bite us on the arse, with ShawX struggling and Wooly looking a bit shite we may have to depend on a centre back pairing out of Wilson/Tex/Muni. Getting concerned yet - I am. Gouranga. As soon as Ryan went down, twice. In a home game, clutching his back. I said at the time that HUTH should now be recalled and kept at Stoke. Huth was as much a captain for stock as Ryan, and this can't pass bollocks just doesn't wash. He wasn't there to pass, he was there to stop goals being scored. We were pretty poor defensively for most of the season. It was there for all to see. WE MISSED ROBERT HUTH We missed him so much we conceded fewer goals, scored more goals, won more games, gained more points and finished in the top 10 again. I wish people would stop spouting shit.
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Post by Jug Bank Stokie on Aug 4, 2015 12:19:16 GMT
Wolly might have no pace but he does the other stuff very well. Huth was a red card waiting to happen every week.
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Post by PONTAFCE on Aug 4, 2015 12:20:47 GMT
Wolly might have no pace but he does the other stuff very well. Huth was a red card waiting to happen every week.[/quote Your comment regarding Huth is BOLLOCK pal.
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Post by wickerman on Aug 4, 2015 13:27:07 GMT
I've seen Ryan Shawcross make mistakes in games and he's rarely criticised. I've recently seen Muniesa, in Cologne, make mistakes and there's been not one critical mention of it. If Wilson, Wollscheid or Teixeira make a mistake they are vilified. We should accept that all players make mistakes but if you can't accept that, then please be consistent with your criticisms. I trust the ability of the manager and coaching staff to access whether a player is good enough to play at this level. I see that Leicester City have just signed a central defender, it seems that their new manager has quickly assessed that this area needs strengthening. Ranieri in ... Huth out! .... FFS!!!!
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Post by crowey on Aug 4, 2015 13:28:53 GMT
...... Get over it & move on
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 4, 2015 13:29:59 GMT
We should never have sold Steve Parkin
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Post by crowey on Aug 4, 2015 13:32:20 GMT
..... Or John Porkin
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 4, 2015 13:33:29 GMT
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Post by crowey on Aug 4, 2015 13:37:42 GMT
.... Still scores goals in the (ahem, cough) Conference
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 4, 2015 13:41:12 GMT
.... Still scores goals in the (ahem, cough) Conference He was disgruntled when he left us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 13:43:16 GMT
I can't bloody wait for the season start so all the worriers can see there's nothing to worry about.
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Post by crowey on Aug 4, 2015 13:46:15 GMT
,,,,, bring back Jonny Porkin!
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Post by Davef on Aug 4, 2015 13:48:55 GMT
Wolly might have no pace but he does the other stuff very well. Huth was a red card waiting to happen every week. Huth received ONE red card in nearly 180 appearances for Stoke, and that was dished out in the snow by that prick Atkinson.
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 4, 2015 13:49:17 GMT
,,,,, bring back Jonny Porkin! We want our Porko back☺
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Post by crowey on Aug 4, 2015 13:49:20 GMT
..... dreamingof72 - in Leslie we trust
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 13:53:51 GMT
We should have never sold Huuth. We should have insured the roof at the Vic. Steve McQueen should have taken a bigger run up in the great escape. Moses should have turned left instead of right ( we'd have had the oil then ) Eve should not have eaten that apple.
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Post by crowey on Aug 4, 2015 13:54:14 GMT
Joe, was just looking at your watsit (? Avatar) - I remember Waddo & my old man drinking that after the game. Same every home game
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 13:56:13 GMT
..... dreamingof72 - in Leslie we trust He's not done much wrong so far. To be fair we had people slating Wilson for ages, despite the fact the team's performances and points tally improved dramatically when he came into replace Huth. I think a lot of our fans have a picture of what a centre back should be in their head and can't appreciate any one who isn't that type of player unless they are as good as Muniesa.
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Post by crowey on Aug 4, 2015 13:56:16 GMT
..... Shanghaied indeed
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Post by crowey on Aug 4, 2015 14:01:34 GMT
....dreamingof72 - please don't get me started on Bego
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