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Post by happyending on Jul 27, 2015 0:31:34 GMT
I think some people here need to really calm down. We have got a great team and great management. Do you think fans of a big club would wet their knickers over Nzonzi leaving or maybe signing an unproven foreign winger? It comes across as small time just by giving a shit, it's like crying over a 7/10 woman leaving you. Thats not gonna attract any 8/10s is it? What we are about is every player committed to a plan. A manager who craves glory, attacking football, and who demands improvement from his players - who all love playing for him. A genuine respectable winner whose work here will be admired from the outside. The dream replacement for Pulis. We have youth players who might actually stand a chance of getting in the team one day. We've got the business end of the transfer window to come and we've got Bojan back. Arnies looking good for the left and Walters can easily play on the right to a good level, will compliment Johnson well. Serious central competition for Diouf. Loads of centre mids. Footballing defenders. England u21 captain in goals. We've got enough without spending and are doing absolutely the right thing by not spending for the sake of it. We're not a big team. Arnie's injured..... Walters isn't a winger..... Loads of average centre mids..... The England U-21's who capitulated in a recent tournament..... No we should spend on first team players, we've spent not one pound on anyone who should be in the first team so far this window! I love being cheery! Didn't say we are...but we're not small and we're getting upset about losing a player no other club in the league fancied. Forever? No, he's just effective on the right wing... Average is being harsh but unimportant anyway, it's the combination of the midfield pair and their understanding that will matter. Whoever plays there will outscore Nzonzi, already a bonus. Good point about Butland..Did you see Spain capitulate during the World Cup? So glad we've got none of their players.. Our team will compete as it is. We will sign more players anyway. If we sign nobody else and we start poorly, complain then. No good reason at all to lose faith in Hughes before a ball is kicked.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jul 27, 2015 0:36:01 GMT
He was the reason we transisted so smoothly from Pulis to Hughes imo. He was our most comfortable player on the ball and replacing that will be hard. He's been class for 3 seasons but then I've thought that for 3 seasons..... The reason we transisted from Pulis to Hughes, is Hughes
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2015 0:38:05 GMT
We're not a big team. Arnie's injured..... Walters isn't a winger..... Loads of average centre mids..... The England U-21's who capitulated in a recent tournament..... No we should spend on first team players, we've spent not one pound on anyone who should be in the first team so far this window! I love being cheery! Didn't say we are...but we're not small and we're getting upset about losing a player no other club in the league fancied. Forever? No, he's just effective on the right wing... Average is being harsh but unimportant anyway, it's the combination of the midfield pair and their understanding that will matter. Whoever plays there will outscore Nzonzi, already a bonus. Good point about Butland..Did you see Spain capitulate during the World Cup? So glad we've got none of their players.. Our team will compete as it is. We will sign more players anyway. If we sign nobody else and we start poorly, complain then. No good reason at all to lose faith in Hughes before a ball is kicked. No but a team in the best league in the world did and one who play in the Champions League....not bad! For now, it means we have no wingers. We need better than "effective". They will? Interesting. I wonder if they'll win the amount of headers, tackles, keep the ball as well and generally dictate our play as well? I did, I wouldn't their goalie either! (I actually dunna mind Butland but genuinely wouldn't touch Casillas with a shitty stick!). Will it? Will we? I haven't lost faith in him. Others at the club maybe!
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Post by march4 on Jul 27, 2015 0:38:16 GMT
There has only been one colossus in our midfield last season - Glenn Whelan
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2015 0:39:21 GMT
He was the reason we transisted so smoothly from Pulis to Hughes imo. He was our most comfortable player on the ball and replacing that will be hard. He's been class for 3 seasons but then I've thought that for 3 seasons..... The reason we transisted from Pulis to Hughes, is Hughes But....I'm not even going to fucking bother!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 27, 2015 7:24:33 GMT
There has only been one colossus in our midfield last season - Glenn Whelan Give over!
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Aug 1, 2015 18:15:12 GMT
Massive holes in the midfield for me today. Do we have a replacement?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 18:27:47 GMT
Massive holes in the midfield for me today. Do we have a replacement? It was a pre season friendly. It meant absolutely nothing. Nzonzi was a superb player for us and he was always going to take some replacing,but we have just signed Van Ginkel and Affelay who both have the potential to be at least as good as Nzonzi. Whether that turns out to be the case or not is unknown at the minute but surely as football fans we have to be able to react better to losing our better players,because let's face it this is going to be the norm,the more successful we become. The over the top reactions on here over the last few weeks (not particularly aimed at you) have been nothing short of fucking ridiculous,and it's about time we started to trust in the manager who has turned us into the kind of football team that we all wanted to see.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 18:30:06 GMT
Got admit I thought for a hour van ginkel was very good. Box to box player, strong in the tackle and looked good in the ball. It was a pleasant surprise for me if I'm honest. However I still think we need that central figure who has composure and controls the pace of the game. Nzonzi was a master at it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 18:37:53 GMT
Got admit I thought for a hour van ginkel was very good. Box to box player, strong in the tackle and looked good in the ball. It was a pleasant surprise for me if I'm honest. However I still think we need that central figure who has composure and controls the pace of the game. Nzonzi was a master at it Give the new signings time mate and they could eclipse Nzonzi in the midfield stakes. After all,Nzonzi wasn't exactly majestic in his first season here was he?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 18:41:52 GMT
Got admit I thought for a hour van ginkel was very good. Box to box player, strong in the tackle and looked good in the ball. It was a pleasant surprise for me if I'm honest. However I still think we need that central figure who has composure and controls the pace of the game. Nzonzi was a master at it Give the new signings time mate and they could eclipse Nzonzi in the midfield stakes. After all,Nzonzi wasn't exactly majestic in his first season here was he? I think VG could well turn out be a fantastic player mate. but I really don't rate sidwell at all, id just like see a centre mid brought in and I really think we could have a superb season and possibly eclipse previous
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 18:48:13 GMT
Give the new signings time mate and they could eclipse Nzonzi in the midfield stakes. After all,Nzonzi wasn't exactly majestic in his first season here was he? I think VG could well turn out be a fantastic player mate. but I really don't rate sidwell at all, id just like see a centre mid brought in and I really think we could have a superb season and possibly eclipse previous Sidwell is a much better footballer than he has shown us so far. Whether he will be featuring much for us this season is another matter,he has had plenty of game time during the close season so perhaps Hughes sees him taking over from Whelan? There were signs that Sidwell was starting to settle into our midfield last season when he played a few games on the bounce,so we will have to wait and see.
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Post by enuntio on Aug 1, 2015 18:51:28 GMT
It's not Nzonzi that needs replacing, it is Robert Huth
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Post by trigger on Aug 1, 2015 18:51:59 GMT
Let's face it they (the owners) have no intention of spending money, other than what they've received for N'Zonzi & Asmir, no more, no less.
Chasing rainbows since Hughes arrived and showing no signs of seriously backing him despite pretending to get the next generation of players into the club.
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 1, 2015 18:52:49 GMT
Let's face it they (the owners) have no intention of spending money, other than what they've received for N'Zonzi & Asmir, no more, no less. Chasing rainbows since Hughes arrived and showing no signs of seriously backing him despite pretending to get the next generation of players into the club. Depressing isn't it mate.
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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 1, 2015 18:55:26 GMT
It's not Nzonzi that needs replacing, it is Robert Huth And possibly Ryan too
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Post by stokemark on Aug 1, 2015 18:56:06 GMT
Massive holes in the midfield for me today. Do we have a replacement? It was a pre season friendly. It meant absolutely nothing. Nzonzi was a superb player for us and he was always going to take some replacing,but we have just signed Van Ginkel and Affelay who both have the potential to be at least as good as Nzonzi. Whether that turns out to be the case or not is unknown at the minute but surely as football fans we have to be able to react better to losing our better players,because let's face it this is going to be the norm,the more successful we become. The over the top reactions on here over the last few weeks (not particularly aimed at you) have been nothing short of fucking ridiculous,and it's about time we started to trust in the manager who has turned us into the kind of football team that we all wanted to see. What's the signing of Affelay got to do with Nzonzi ? You can say that anyone who is younger has 'the potential' but what does that really mean ? We had no choice with Nzonzi (I recognise that) but as things stand we are going into the season with a first 11 who are no better than those we signed off last season with and arguably worse. I'm pretty disappointed with that and don't understand why so many people seem so happy to gloss over it.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Aug 1, 2015 18:56:32 GMT
Massive holes in the midfield for me today. Do we have a replacement? It was a pre season friendly. It meant absolutely nothing. Nzonzi was a superb player for us and he was always going to take some replacing,but we have just signed Van Ginkel and Affelay who both have the potential to be at least as good as Nzonzi. Whether that turns out to be the case or not is unknown at the minute but surely as football fans we have to be able to react better to losing our better players,because let's face it this is going to be the norm,the more successful we become. The over the top reactions on here over the last few weeks (not particularly aimed at you) have been nothing short of fucking ridiculous,and it's about time we started to trust in the manager who has turned us into the kind of football team that we all wanted to see. No not at all. Was just asking a question based on what I saw today. Disjointed, no one holding the team together.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 1, 2015 18:59:24 GMT
The worrying thing for me is IF Ryan is out for any length of time then we've lost 75% of the spine of the team which will take some coming to terms with.I just hope Sparky has a trick or two up his sleeve.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Aug 1, 2015 19:00:54 GMT
It was a pre season friendly. It meant absolutely nothing. Nzonzi was a superb player for us and he was always going to take some replacing,but we have just signed Van Ginkel and Affelay who both have the potential to be at least as good as Nzonzi. Whether that turns out to be the case or not is unknown at the minute but surely as football fans we have to be able to react better to losing our better players,because let's face it this is going to be the norm,the more successful we become. The over the top reactions on here over the last few weeks (not particularly aimed at you) have been nothing short of fucking ridiculous,and it's about time we started to trust in the manager who has turned us into the kind of football team that we all wanted to see. No not at all. Was just asking a question based on what I saw today. Disjointed, no one holding the team together. Affelay showed today alone that he has much more technical ability. But we need the cogs to make the machine run.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 19:02:54 GMT
Let's face it they (the owners) have no intention of spending money, other than what they've received for N'Zonzi & Asmir, no more, no less. Chasing rainbows since Hughes arrived and showing no signs of seriously backing him despite pretending to get the next generation of players into the club. We have just signed a Dutch international wit 50 caps to his name,from Barcelona,yes Barcelona. When will you happy with any signings we make? If we had spent 12 million on him would your view point be different? I reckon it would,which kind of proves my point.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Aug 1, 2015 19:03:45 GMT
The worrying thing for me is IF Ryan is out for any length of time then we've lost 75% of the spine of the team which will take some coming to terms with.I just hope Sparky has a trick or two up his sleeve. Spot on. There is no organisation or leadership without the Captain.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 19:08:08 GMT
It was a pre season friendly. It meant absolutely nothing. Nzonzi was a superb player for us and he was always going to take some replacing,but we have just signed Van Ginkel and Affelay who both have the potential to be at least as good as Nzonzi. Whether that turns out to be the case or not is unknown at the minute but surely as football fans we have to be able to react better to losing our better players,because let's face it this is going to be the norm,the more successful we become. The over the top reactions on here over the last few weeks (not particularly aimed at you) have been nothing short of fucking ridiculous,and it's about time we started to trust in the manager who has turned us into the kind of football team that we all wanted to see. What's the signing of Affelay got to do with Nzonzi ? You can say that anyone who is younger has 'the potential' but what does that really mean ? We had no choice with Nzonzi (I recognise that) but as things stand we are going into the season with a first 11 who are no better than those we signed off last season with and arguably worse. I'm pretty disappointed with that and don't understand why so many people seem so happy to gloss over it. It's probably got something to do with the fact that Hughes doesn't necessarily see him as an out and out winger and that he could possibly see him playing in midfield,alongside or instead of another of our latest signings. Truth is, you are guessing as to whether we are going to be a worse side than last season,just as I am that we will be fine. The difference is that I'm willing to give the new signings time before I write them off and also put some faith in the management team who have totally transformed our football team into a team that has performed better than any Stoke side I have ever seen.
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Post by trigger on Aug 1, 2015 19:09:32 GMT
Let's face it they (the owners) have no intention of spending money, other than what they've received for N'Zonzi & Asmir, no more, no less. Chasing rainbows since Hughes arrived and showing no signs of seriously backing him despite pretending to get the next generation of players into the club. We have just signed a Dutch international wit 50 caps to his name,from Barcelona,yes Barcelona. When will you happy with any signings we make? If we had spent 12 million on him would your view point be different? I reckon it would,which kind of proves my point. We've signed a player that nobody really wanted and hasn't played for Barcelona for a few years now, possibly hasn't played for Holland for a few years ? and comes with an horrendous injury record. And we will never spend that amount on a player so my viewpoint remains in tact and that proves my point.
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Post by mattface on Aug 1, 2015 19:11:40 GMT
We appear to still be wrapped up in his player of the season awards. He was equally very good and completely anonymous in games. The players we have bought in are more than capable of doing the same.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 19:11:56 GMT
We have just signed a Dutch international wit 50 caps to his name,from Barcelona,yes Barcelona. When will you happy with any signings we make? If we had spent 12 million on him would your view point be different? I reckon it would,which kind of proves my point. We've signed a player that nobody really wanted and hasn't played for Barcelona for a few years now, possibly hasn't played for Holland for a few years ? and comes with an horrendous injury record. And we will never spend that amount on a player so my viewpoint remains in tact and that proves my point. He played for Holland in March.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 19:13:53 GMT
We appear to still be wrapped up in his player of the season awards. He was equally very good and completely anonymous in games. The players we have bought in are more than capable of doing the same. Whilst Nzonzi was superb for us,you have a valid point. How many away games did he boss the midfield in? I know it's hard for a Stoke midfielder to do so but the answer isn't very many.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 1, 2015 19:14:08 GMT
Have we replaced N'Zonzi?
No.
Next.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 1, 2015 19:17:29 GMT
We have just signed a Dutch international wit 50 caps to his name,from Barcelona,yes Barcelona. When will you happy with any signings we make? If we had spent 12 million on him would your view point be different? I reckon it would,which kind of proves my point. We've signed a player that nobody really wanted and hasn't played for Barcelona for a few years now, possibly hasn't played for Holland for a few years ? and comes with an horrendous injury record. And we will never spend that amount on a player so my viewpoint remains in tact and that proves my point. Your point being to criticise possibly the best owners we could possibly hope to have , look at clubs of our size down in the lower leagues without a pot to piss in . Without the Coates financial support IT ALL GOES AWAY
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 19:20:09 GMT
We have just signed a Dutch international wit 50 caps to his name,from Barcelona,yes Barcelona. When will you happy with any signings we make? If we had spent 12 million on him would your view point be different? I reckon it would,which kind of proves my point. We've signed a player that nobody really wanted and hasn't played for Barcelona for a few years now, possibly hasn't played for Holland for a few years ? and comes with an horrendous injury record. And we will never spend that amount on a player so my viewpoint remains in tact and that proves my point. We spent 10 million on Crouch a while back and we're willing to spend 12 million on Shakiri few weeks back so you're talking nonsense mate. If we had spent big money on a player during this transfer window you wouldn't be saying what you're saying right now,but that would be bollocks because there are no guarantees that a big money signing would work out,we could have spent the 12 million on Shaqiri or someone else and they might not have settled and we may never have seen the best of them. I don't understand why so many Stoke fans seem to have a problem with the club's current strategy when it has worked so well for the last two seasons. Especially when the majority were bemoaning the fact that we were spending money on players with no resale value during the previous regime at an alarming rate.
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