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Post by fulagoals on Jul 26, 2015 17:16:57 GMT
Did no-one on here actually here Hughes quote that "If we manage to get the signing of a player with his qualities(Yarmelenko) over the line, then I expect our business to be complete" Now that sounds like a manager looking to sign a talismanic winger to me and not a player to play elsewhere in the team(ie Nzonzi role). So I suggest Mr Hughes sees Nzonzi's replacement already at the club, be it MVG, Charlie, Cameron, Sidwell or Ireland
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 17:20:42 GMT
We've already replaced him with Van Ginkel. Prior to the end of the season most of us were hoping for a 'Whelan upgrade' with the loss of Nzonzi still being more of a risk than a reality We are now going into a new season without the former and a loanee (Albeit a talented young one) replacing our player of the season We clearly need to strengthen this and the right side too otherwise I think we are going to get a fair few pastings against the so called big clubs, particularly away from home and with Ryan our only 'defensively strong' centre half then the situation is exacerbated even more. Do we go into the Chelsea games with only Whelan able to play as a defensive midfielder because Van Ginkel won't be allowed to play against his parent club ? We have a LOT of work to do still I'm keeping my powder dry on our transfer dealings until September, then I'll judge.
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Post by theonlywayisstoke on Jul 26, 2015 17:34:48 GMT
We don't need an Nzonzi replacement. With Bojan playing week in week out this season (we hope) we need someone who will sit a lot deeper to prevent gaps being left...a more destroyer type...like what Mbia did at Sevilla...but preferably someone a bit better at passing.
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Post by Fred Merger on Jul 26, 2015 17:39:39 GMT
Mvg would only have agreed to come on the assurance of plenty of opportunities to play.Therefore as long as he is fit he will most likely start games. Meaning we won't need to go into the transfer market to pay big money for a replacement for at least another year.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 26, 2015 17:40:12 GMT
As good as he is (was) for us, there's no way could we afford to lose out on £7M £7M with one season left on his contract Or Contract up and get £0 It's a no brainer surely??? If he wanted to go so badly why did we not have a replacement lined up, not an unknown loan player but a player that actually belonged to us who could do the job Zonz did, if not £7m is not really an issue in relation to the TV money increase. That's something you would have to take up with the club as I haven't a clue!!! But for the sake of one more season, I'd accept £7M over £0 any day!!! There's no guarantee that Nzonzi would escape a serious injury this season..... there's no guarantee he could help us finish higher and earn a Europa spot (which would bring in more revenue), let's give this Van Ginkel lad a crack first, he may not be a direct Nzonzi replacement, but who's to say he won't be good at his job.....for Stoke.....in the premier league???
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 17:40:34 GMT
Did no-one on here actually here Hughes quote that "If we manage to get the signing of a player with his qualities(Yarmelenko) over the line, then I expect our business to be complete" Now that sounds like a manager looking to sign a talismanic winger to me and not a player to play elsewhere in the team(ie Nzonzi role). So I suggest Mr Hughes sees Nzonzi's replacement already at the club, be it MVG, Charlie, Cameron, Sidwell or Ireland I suggest Mr Hughes needs to give his head a wobble or was indeed not telling the full story.....
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 26, 2015 17:46:01 GMT
Van Ginkel is clearly Zonz's replacement, I'd have liked to seen Ireland given a go there but I'd imagine the shirt is Van Ginkel's to lose. I think we have some pretty decent options in central midfield with Van Ginkel, Whelan, Cameron, Sidwell, Ireland and Shenton.....and Adam
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Post by CransonsHeadband on Jul 26, 2015 17:54:41 GMT
It's probably been mentioned on here but i was hoping the Leroy Fer rumour might have something in it,but yes Van Ginkel is def the replacement for N'Zonzi i have to agree.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 18:02:40 GMT
Van Ginkel is clearly Zonz's replacement, I'd have liked to seen Ireland given a go there but I'd imagine the shirt is Van Ginkel's to lose. I think we have some pretty decent options in central midfield with Van Ginkel, Whelan, Cameron, Sidwell, Ireland and Shenton.....and Adam So we have replaced arguably last seasons best player with a loan player with no experience in the Premiere League, is that good business or reckless risk taking, I am beginning to have some serious worries about next season tbh.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 18:05:35 GMT
Did no-one on here actually here Hughes quote that "If we manage to get the signing of a player with his qualities(Yarmelenko) over the line, then I expect our business to be complete" Now that sounds like a manager looking to sign a talismanic winger to me and not a player to play elsewhere in the team(ie Nzonzi role). So I suggest Mr Hughes sees Nzonzi's replacement already at the club, be it MVG, Charlie, Cameron, Sidwell or Ireland If that is the case I suggest Mr Hughes needs to visit specsavers.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 26, 2015 18:17:43 GMT
Our turnover is 100m a year. To be quite frank 7m is peanuts to us these days. Not if our costs are £80 million, £7 million is a third of our earnings so very important N'zonzi was meant to be our attacking springboard, our goals scored was only average and his contribution tiny, both goals and assists, and no-one would clal him great defensively. never capped by France and now replaced by a Dutch international, we will be fine but do need more legs than Whelan has
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 26, 2015 18:18:11 GMT
Van Ginkel is clearly Zonz's replacement, I'd have liked to seen Ireland given a go there but I'd imagine the shirt is Van Ginkel's to lose. I think we have some pretty decent options in central midfield with Van Ginkel, Whelan, Cameron, Sidwell, Ireland and Shenton.....and Adam So we have replaced arguably last seasons best player with a loan player with no experience in the Premiere League, is that good business or reckless risk taking, I am beginning to have some serious worries about next season tbh. Like I've said on another thread, I can't help but think that Zonz's status as a midfield maestro has become a little exaggerated since he left us. He was a very good player for us but not let's over egg the pudding here so to speak, Stoke weren't turning down bid after bid for him. In fact the only Premier league club to show serious interest was Leicester
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Jul 26, 2015 18:24:30 GMT
Our turnover is 100m a year. To be quite frank 7m is peanuts to us these days. Not if our costs are £80 million, £7 million is a third of our earnings so very important N'zonzi was meant to be our attacking springboard, our goals scored was only average and his contribution tiny, both goals and assists, and no-one would clal him great defensively. never capped by France and now replaced by a Dutch international, we will be fine but do need more legs than Whelan has In terms of profit maybe, but maybeim not a shareholder so I don't give two shits about the club turning a profit. As far as I'm concerned he was our one top top top player and we lost him for peanuts. Van Ginkel may be amazing but he is not 6 foot 5 and have the touch that Nzonzi had. I am convinced he will be playing for France in the Euros alongside the magician at Juve. He really was and is that good. Van Ginkel is a kid who is on loan and we are asking him to play the most important role on the pitch. To me van Ginkel is more of a Whelan than an nzonzi and I've seen nothing to suggest he is a ball carrier. Maybe a fat Frank but I'm not sure that's the type of player we need in there
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 18:24:42 GMT
So we have replaced arguably last seasons best player with a loan player with no experience in the Premiere League, is that good business or reckless risk taking, I am beginning to have some serious worries about next season tbh. Like I've said on another thread, I can't help but think that Zonz's status as a midfield maestro has become a little exaggerated since he left us. He was a very good player for us but not let's over egg the pudding here so to speak, Stoke weren't turning down bid after bid for him. In fact the only Premier league club to show serious interest was Leicester Who was last seasons player of the year by the way ?
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 26, 2015 18:40:31 GMT
Like I've said on another thread, I can't help but think that Zonz's status as a midfield maestro has become a little exaggerated since he left us. He was a very good player for us but not let's over egg the pudding here so to speak, Stoke weren't turning down bid after bid for him. In fact the only Premier league club to show serious interest was Leicester Who was last seasons player of the year by the way ? N'Zonzi. Scott Dann was Crystal Palace player of the year Ki Sung Yeung was Swansea player of the year Fonte was Southampton player of the year. Your point?
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 18:59:28 GMT
Who was last seasons player of the year by the way ? N'Zonzi. Scott Dann was Crystal Palace player of the year Ki Sung Yeung was Swansea player of the year Fonte was Southampton player of the year. Your point? Erm my point is that he was our player of the year, I don't give a flying feck about other clubs, are we stronger as a squad at this moment or weaker than we were last season ?
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 26, 2015 19:08:35 GMT
N'Zonzi. Scott Dann was Crystal Palace player of the year Ki Sung Yeung was Swansea player of the year Fonte was Southampton player of the year. Your point? Erm my point is that he was our player of the year, I don't give a flying feck about other clubs, are we stronger as a squad at this moment or weaker than we were last season ? My point is that just because he was player of the year doesn't make him irreplaceable. It doesn't make him a world class footballer in the same way that Dann, Ki and Fonte aren't world class footballers. I liked Zonz but since he was sold some on here are going way over the top in their assessment of him as a footballer
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Post by sportsman on Jul 26, 2015 19:11:15 GMT
So we have replaced arguably last seasons best player with a loan player with no experience in the Premiere League, is that good business or reckless risk taking, I am beginning to have some serious worries about next season tbh. Like I've said on another thread, I can't help but think that Zonz's status as a midfield maestro has become a little exaggerated since he left us. He was a very good player for us but not let's over egg the pudding here so to speak, Stoke weren't turning down bid after bid for him. In fact the only Premier league club to show serious interest was Leicester It's like an injured player. They seem to get better when they're missing.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 19:12:00 GMT
Erm my point is that he was our player of the year, I don't give a flying feck about other clubs, are we stronger as a squad at this moment or weaker than we were last season ? My point is that just because he was player of the year doesn't make him irreplaceable. It doesn't make him a world class footballer in the same way that Dann, Ki and Fonte aren't world class footballers. I liked Zonz but since he was sold some on here are going way over the top in their assessment of him as a footballer Fair enough so it should be no problem replacing him permanently like for like, so why have we not done so ?, are we stronger as a squad at this moment or weaker than last season ?
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 19:13:00 GMT
Like I've said on another thread, I can't help but think that Zonz's status as a midfield maestro has become a little exaggerated since he left us. He was a very good player for us but not let's over egg the pudding here so to speak, Stoke weren't turning down bid after bid for him. In fact the only Premier league club to show serious interest was Leicester It's like an injured player. They seem to get better when they're missing. Or sent out on loan
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Post by sportsman on Jul 26, 2015 19:18:39 GMT
It's like an injured player. They seem to get better when they're missing. Or sent out on loan Trouble is we could hardly give him away never mind send him out on loan. Can't believe we're still on about him. I quickly forget him then see a thread on here. Now we're here, how's he doing?
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 19:29:31 GMT
Or sent out on loan Trouble is we could hardly give him away never mind send him out on loan. Can't believe we're still on about him. I quickly forget him then see a thread on here. Now we're here, how's he doing?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 19:31:37 GMT
Why are people suddenly wanking off Steve Sidwell? We've lost two of our best players from last season and not replaced adequately but it's ok we've got Sidwell and Moha! Yeah, sorry for not buying into that. 100% agree. Some think sidwell, the lad who couldn't even get on the bench last season.... Is suddenly going come in and be a player of the season replacement!! The mind boggles it really does. I hope I'm proven wrong but time and time again last year sidwell proved to be a walking liability who's tackling was on a par with that of Paul scholes!!
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Post by happyending on Jul 26, 2015 19:39:45 GMT
I think some people here need to really calm down. We have got a great team and great management. Do you think fans of a big club would wet their knickers over Nzonzi leaving or maybe signing an unproven foreign winger? It comes across as small time just by giving a shit, it's like crying over a 7/10 woman leaving you. Thats not gonna attract any 8/10s is it?
What we are about is every player committed to a plan. A manager who craves glory, attacking football, and who demands improvement from his players - who all love playing for him. A genuine respectable winner whose work here will be admired from the outside. The dream replacement for Pulis. We have youth players who might actually stand a chance of getting in the team one day. We've got the business end of the transfer window to come and we've got Bojan back. Arnies looking good for the left and Walters can easily play on the right to a good level, will compliment Johnson well. Serious central competition for Diouf. Loads of centre mids. Footballing defenders. England u21 captain in goals. We've got enough without spending and are doing absolutely the right thing by not spending for the sake of it.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jul 26, 2015 19:40:33 GMT
N'Zonzi. Scott Dann was Crystal Palace player of the year Ki Sung Yeung was Swansea player of the year Fonte was Southampton player of the year. Your point? Erm my point is that he was our player of the year, I don't give a flying feck about other clubs, are we stronger as a squad at this moment or weaker than we were last season ? There wasn't too much competition for the Player of the season this year with injuries and what not. It doesn't mean he's irreplaceable. A miss no doubt but hankering after a 'like for like' is a feint hope, even if cash was splashed. {Does one even exis?} Mark Hughes and co have been tracking Van Ginkel for two years and made 'approaches' previously. They obviously see something in him. I'll reserve judgement as to whether we're 'weaker' after he's had a reasonable amount of games. It's conjecture until then. It will be a different style, not necessarily worse.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 26, 2015 19:41:58 GMT
Why are people suddenly wanking off Steve Sidwell? We've lost two of our best players from last season and not replaced adequately but it's ok we've got Sidwell and Moha! Yeah, sorry for not buying into that. 100% agree. Some think sidwell, the lad who couldn't even get on the bench last season.... Is suddenly going come in and be a player of the season replacement!! The mind boggles it really does. I hope I'm proven wrong but time and time again last year sidwell proved to be a walking liability who's tackling was on a par with that of Paul scholes!! I know what you're saying but the strange thing is when we signed him he finished the previous season as the third best midfielder in the premier league for tackles/interceptions ahead of the likes of Gerrard and all the rest. Not saying he's the answer just putting the fact out there.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 26, 2015 19:45:26 GMT
I said back in January that Hughes would replace him with a midfielder that could score a goal or few. I think he was frustrated with a lack of goals coming from our midfield two. I think he may have addressed that / hope.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 19:46:52 GMT
100% agree. Some think sidwell, the lad who couldn't even get on the bench last season.... Is suddenly going come in and be a player of the season replacement!! The mind boggles it really does. I hope I'm proven wrong but time and time again last year sidwell proved to be a walking liability who's tackling was on a par with that of Paul scholes!! I know what you're saying but the strange thing is when we signed him he finished the previous season as the third best midfielder in the premier league for tackles/interceptions ahead of the likes of Gerrard and all the rest. Not saying he's the answer just putting the fact out there. That's all good mate but nzonzi controlled the whole tempo to our play. His composure on the ball was outstanding. I always said when nzonzi played well so did stoke. I can't recall the stats of how many games he's aged over the past 3 seasons but imo it's his involvement that got us to where we are today. We desperately need to find a player who can control our play not just tackle and intercept
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 19:49:41 GMT
I think some people here need to really calm down. We have got a great team and great management. Do you think fans of a big club would wet their knickers over Nzonzi leaving or maybe signing an unproven foreign winger? It comes across as small time just by giving a shit, it's like crying over a 7/10 woman leaving you. Thats not gonna attract any 8/10s is it? What we are about is every player committed to a plan. A manager who craves glory, attacking football, and who demands improvement from his players - who all love playing for him. A genuine respectable winner whose work here will be admired from the outside. The dream replacement for Pulis. We have youth players who might actually stand a chance of getting in the team one day. We've got the business end of the transfer window to come and we've got Bojan back. Arnies looking good for the left and Walters can easily play on the right to a good level, will compliment Johnson well. Serious central competition for Diouf. Loads of centre mids. Footballing defenders. England u21 captain in goals. We've got enough without spending and are doing absolutely the right thing by not spending for the sake of it. We are not a big club we struggle to attract the quality of player needed to replace Zonz, we are weaker than we were at the end of last season so far that is a fact.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 19:51:30 GMT
100% agree. Some think sidwell, the lad who couldn't even get on the bench last season.... Is suddenly going come in and be a player of the season replacement!! The mind boggles it really does. I hope I'm proven wrong but time and time again last year sidwell proved to be a walking liability who's tackling was on a par with that of Paul scholes!! I know what you're saying but the strange thing is when we signed him he finished the previous season as the third best midfielder in the premier league for tackles/interceptions ahead of the likes of Gerrard and all the rest. Not saying he's the answer just putting the fact out there. Is this the same Sidwell who showed nothing last season and we should be pinning our hopes on him WTF.
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