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Post by stokeharry on Aug 21, 2015 11:02:36 GMT
I knew you'd come around eventually. Farage is the man  Just thinking that myself when I read huddys post I don't believe we can prosper as a nation under this labour guy but, his honest approach is a breath of fresh air .....just like ukip  Probably like him as he doesn't look to be a puppet of big business If I couldn't vote ukip I'd vote for that guy incharge of labour ....for the sole reason of letting the other fuckers know we are sick of their bullshit Although ironically, he must be taking quite a few votes from ukip I wouldn't vote for him because the people that support him aren't my kind of people and I disagree with the majority of what they believe in. Even if I agreed with some of what Corbyn has to say I wouldn't vote for him on principle because I wouldn't want the leftys in society to have their way. Even though I aren't a fan of the Tory's I'd rather vote Tory just to spite the PC do gooders. It's not always what they say it's HOW they say things and their smug , sanctimonious ways. They think that by spouting their tripe on here the way they do that the will win people round when in fact it does just the opposite . I hope Corbyn becomes Labour leader because that would be the end for Labour and that would upset the luvvys and that is always a bonus in my book. If Labour close the borders and deport the many bogus asylum seekers let in under Blair's regime and limit immigration and have a proper debate on leaving the EU then I might think about possibly giving them and the time of day . When they put British people first then I might take them serously but untill then I will vote UKIP and ill be proud to vote UKIP and thankfully UKIP are a party that will go from strength to strength in the years to come . It's obviously full of political experts on the Oatcake though and full of successful people that know all the secrets , in their own heads of course |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 21, 2015 11:12:44 GMT
Just thinking that myself when I read huddys post I don't believe we can prosper as a nation under this labour guy but, his honest approach is a breath of fresh air .....just like ukip Probably like him as he doesn't look to be a puppet of big business If I couldn't vote ukip I'd vote for that guy incharge of labour ....for the sole reason of letting the other fuckers know we are sick of their bullshit Although ironically, he must be taking quite a few votes from ukip I wouldn't vote for him because the people that support him aren't my kind of people and I disagree with the majority of what they believe in. Even if I agreed with some of what Corbyn has to say I wouldn't vote for him on principle because I wouldn't want the leftys in society to have their way. Even though I aren't a fan of the Tory's I'd rather vote Tory just to spite the PC do gooders. It's not always what they say it's HOW they say things and their smug , sanctimonious ways. They think that by spouting their tripe on here the way they do that the will win people round when in fact it does just the opposite . I hope Corbyn becomes Labour leader because that would be the end for Labour and that would upset the luvvys and that is always a bonus in my book. If Labour close the borders and deport the many bogus asylum seekers let in under Blair's regime and limit immigration and have a proper debate on leaving the EU then I might think about possibly giving them and the time of day . When they put British people first then I might take them serously but untill then I will vote UKIP and ill be proud to vote UKIP and thankfully UKIP are a party that will go from strength to strength in the years to come . It's obviously full of political experts on the Oatcake though and full of successful people that know all the secrets , in their own heads of course Shouldn't worry too much mate..stay where you are. Corbyn's Labour Party wouldn't and doesn't need the likes of you. Frase....good post mate. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 21, 2015 11:15:43 GMT
Noticed this myself yesterday.Either; Sad reflection on democracy, the grass root members don't want what the PLP wants.Those career politicians don't like it, so they will do anything to stop Jeremy.Simply because he is telling the truth, as he sees it, people are following him , but this should not be happening. We know best, not the people.We will tell you what they should be thinking. It upsets their careers. They just cannot accept that this man may be correct, from a Socialist perspective. OR The very same people ( and Milliband) have made a complete shambles of the election process ...They encouraged Jeremy to enter ,just for the ride, to pay lip service to a debate. They introduced a system whereby anyone on the electoral role in the country can help to decide the leader of HM Opposition for £3.00.Utter madness.Doesn't give you much confidence in them being able to run a WHOLE COUNTRY! Really? Mr Burnham only wrote to the Labour Party General Secretary this morning. Derrida You are right, my mistake . There was something to this effect, that this might happen in one of the papers yesterday ( independent) .I'll try to hook it out , if I get chance, just a bit busy next few days, what with the Norwich match |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 21, 2015 11:18:07 GMT
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 21, 2015 11:18:23 GMT
I wouldn't vote for him because the people that support him aren't my kind of people and I disagree with the majority of what they believe in. Even if I agreed with some of what Corbyn has to say I wouldn't vote for him on principle because I wouldn't want the leftys in society to have their way. Even though I aren't a fan of the Tory's I'd rather vote Tory just to spite the PC do gooders. It's not always what they say it's HOW they say things and their smug , sanctimonious ways. They think that by spouting their tripe on here the way they do that the will win people round when in fact it does just the opposite . I hope Corbyn becomes Labour leader because that would be the end for Labour and that would upset the luvvys and that is always a bonus in my book. If Labour close the borders and deport the many bogus asylum seekers let in under Blair's regime and limit immigration and have a proper debate on leaving the EU then I might think about possibly giving them and the time of day . When they put British people first then I might take them serously but untill then I will vote UKIP and ill be proud to vote UKIP and thankfully UKIP are a party that will go from strength to strength in the years to come . It's obviously full of political experts on the Oatcake though and full of successful people that know all the secrets , in their own heads of course Shouldn't worry too much mate..stay where you are. Corbyn's Labour Party wouldn't and doesn't need the likes of you. Frase....good post mate. Not worried in the slightest but the Labour party does want and need me. All parties need all the votes they can get, but they haven't got mine and never will have , my vote belongs to UKIP . Sorry mate |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 11:19:24 GMT
Just thinking that myself when I read huddys post I don't believe we can prosper as a nation under this labour guy but, his honest approach is a breath of fresh air .....just like ukip Probably like him as he doesn't look to be a puppet of big business If I couldn't vote ukip I'd vote for that guy incharge of labour ....for the sole reason of letting the other fuckers know we are sick of their bullshit Although ironically, he must be taking quite a few votes from ukip I wouldn't vote for him because the people that support him aren't my kind of people and I disagree with the majority of what they believe in. Even if I agreed with some of what Corbyn has to say I wouldn't vote for him on principle because I wouldn't want the leftys in society to have their way. Even though I aren't a fan of the Tory's I'd rather vote Tory just to spite the PC do gooders. It's not always what they say it's HOW they say things and their smug , sanctimonious ways. They think that by spouting their tripe on here the way they do that the will win people round when in fact it does just the opposite . I hope Corbyn becomes Labour leader because that would be the end for Labour and that would upset the luvvys and that is always a bonus in my book. If Labour close the borders and deport the many bogus asylum seekers let in under Blair's regime and limit immigration and have a proper debate on leaving the EU then I might think about possibly giving them and the time of day . When they put British people first then I might take them serously but untill then I will vote UKIP and ill be proud to vote UKIP and thankfully UKIP are a party that will go from strength to strength in the years to come . It's obviously full of political experts on the Oatcake though and full of successful people that know all the secrets , in their own heads of course To be honest a lot of people that vote ukip aren't my kind of people Ukip is just a vehicle to get us self governing in my eyes With their rush to be a big party they've accepted all sorts of unsavoury peoples I follow farage more than the party as it's his beliefs that draw me in Don't get me wrong, the top end of the party are pretty sound.......apart from carsewell who although is obviously a likeable guy is reading from a different page than the one I want to read |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 21, 2015 11:20:46 GMT
I wouldn't vote for him because the people that support him aren't my kind of people and I disagree with the majority of what they believe in. Even if I agreed with some of what Corbyn has to say I wouldn't vote for him on principle because I wouldn't want the leftys in society to have their way. Even though I aren't a fan of the Tory's I'd rather vote Tory just to spite the PC do gooders. It's not always what they say it's HOW they say things and their smug , sanctimonious ways. They think that by spouting their tripe on here the way they do that the will win people round when in fact it does just the opposite . I hope Corbyn becomes Labour leader because that would be the end for Labour and that would upset the luvvys and that is always a bonus in my book. If Labour close the borders and deport the many bogus asylum seekers let in under Blair's regime and limit immigration and have a proper debate on leaving the EU then I might think about possibly giving them and the time of day . When they put British people first then I might take them serously but untill then I will vote UKIP and ill be proud to vote UKIP and thankfully UKIP are a party that will go from strength to strength in the years to come . It's obviously full of political experts on the Oatcake though and full of successful people that know all the secrets , in their own heads of course To be honest a lot of people that vote ukip aren't my kind of people Ukip is just a vehicle to get us self governing in my eyes With their rush to be a big party they've accepted all sorts of unsavoury peoples I follow farage more than the party as it's his beliefs that draw me in Don't get me wrong, the top end of the party are pretty sound.......apart from carsewell who although is obviously a likeable guy is reading from a different page than the one I want to read I'd agree with all of that. Don't expect the likes off huddy to get it though, it's a bit to complex for his ilk |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 21, 2015 11:22:20 GMT
Shouldn't worry too much mate..stay where you are. Corbyn's Labour Party wouldn't and doesn't need the likes of you. Frase....good post mate. Not worried in the slightest but the Labour party does want and need me. All parties need all the votes they can get, but they haven't got mine and never will have , my vote belongs to UKIP . Sorry mate Seriously your kind belong exactly where you are. |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 21, 2015 11:24:06 GMT
Not worried in the slightest but the Labour party does want and need me. All parties need all the votes they can get, but they haven't got mine and never will have , my vote belongs to UKIP . Sorry mate Seriously your kind belong exactly where you are. And so do your kind , doesn't stop Labour wanting and needing my vote though, not happening I'm afraid  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 11:24:23 GMT
Pair of you want your wrists slapping |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 21, 2015 11:30:23 GMT
Seriously your kind belong exactly where you are. And so do your kind , doesn't stop Labour wanting and needing my vote though, not happening I'm afraid Here we go.....Harry meltdown  |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 21, 2015 11:32:36 GMT
And so do your kind , doesn't stop Labour wanting and needing my vote though, not happening I'm afraid Here we go.....Harry meltdown Right back at ya citizen Smith |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 21, 2015 11:37:38 GMT
Ah I see. Yes I've just been reading the Twitter feeds on the #Labourpurge and it's literally going mental. There are some pretty nasty tweets from Corbynites in all honesty. It doesn't make for nice reading. Ironically enough Owen Jones, the darling of the hard left, has just acknowledged on Twitter that Liz Kendall has had a huge amount of her support wiped because of the purge. This idea that only Jeremy Corbyn will suffer as a result of the purge doesn't appear to be true at all. |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 21, 2015 12:00:42 GMT
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Post by Gods on Aug 21, 2015 12:08:41 GMT
4/11 Corbyn
11/4 Burnham
9/1 Cooper
100/1 Kendall
Could be worth a punt on Burnham or Cooper at those odds.
I am 100% certain this will be closer that the polls suggest as folks give their heads a final little wobble as they vote (see the Scottish referendum and the last General Election for recent examples of what you might call 'poll station caution kick-in') and I think it is just still possible that 2nd votes could do for old Corbyn.
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 21, 2015 12:14:51 GMT
4/11 Corbyn 11/4 Burnham 9/1 Cooper 100/1 Kendall Could be worth a punt on Burnham or Cooper at those odds. I am 100% certain this will be closer that the polls suggest as folks give their heads a final little wobble as they vote (see the Scottish referendum and the last General Election)and I think it is just still possible that 2nd votes could do for old Corbyn. I sort of agree with this. The closer the main body of moderate Labour members get to casting their vote the more they'll be ultimately faced with the dilemma; "Do you want Labour to be able to gain power to change things, or do you want Labour to be a party of opposition to challenge things?" |
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Post by Gods on Aug 21, 2015 12:18:10 GMT
4/11 Corbyn 11/4 Burnham 9/1 Cooper 100/1 Kendall Could be worth a punt on Burnham or Cooper at those odds. I am 100% certain this will be closer that the polls suggest as folks give their heads a final little wobble as they vote (see the Scottish referendum and the last General Election)and I think it is just still possible that 2nd votes could do for old Corbyn. I sort of agree with this. The closer the main body of moderate Labour members get to casting their vote the more they'll be ultimately faced with the dilemma; "Do you want Labour to be able to gain power to change things, or do you want Labour to be a party of opposition to challenge things?" I decided to coin it 'poll station caution kick-in'. Just as people are about to vote an imaginary Tony Blair or David Milliband or Gordon Brown gives them a little tap on the shoulder! May not be quite enough but I bet its sodding close. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 12:50:14 GMT
I can't for the life of me think why anyone would vote for that wriggling fucktard of a worm According to him He is blameless for everything that went wrong with labour and when stuff was pointed out that went tits up under his watch......he blamed the labour leader If he became leader who would he blame the fuckups on then? Whoever votes that cunt in wants certifying |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 21, 2015 12:53:43 GMT
I can't for the life of me think why anyone would vote for that wriggling fucktard of a worm.... I think we've established you're not a fan then....  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 18:43:46 GMT
4/11 Corbyn 11/4 Burnham 9/1 Cooper 100/1 Kendall Could be worth a punt on Burnham or Cooper at those odds. I am 100% certain this will be closer that the polls suggest as folks give their heads a final little wobble as they vote (see the Scottish referendum and the last General Election)and I think it is just still possible that 2nd votes could do for old Corbyn. I sort of agree with this. The closer the main body of moderate Labour members get to casting their vote the more they'll be ultimately faced with the dilemma; "Do you want Labour to be able to gain power to change things, or do you want Labour to be a party of opposition to challenge things?" Whatever Labour decides to do they will have to work hard to appeal to the apathetic, disenfranchised and disaffected voters. Read a good article in The Guardian online that suggests Labour need to embrace the post-capitalist movement. They need to undo the duplicitous machinations of Blair who promised so much and delivered so little, ending up being more rightwing than his heroine, the unspeakable Thatcher. Since him, Labour have little to no standing amongst anyone with a conscience. If Labour could guarantee a genuine attempt at social justice will they regain the support of the disaffected. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 21, 2015 22:35:16 GMT
Labour have dug themselves into a hole which is getting deeper and deeper.
The Right Wing by constantly smearing Corbyn because they don't want him to win are being extremely divisive.
The Left Wing by abandoning all that ' New Labour' stand for ( Winning elections at any cost) are also being divisive.
Either way they are making themselves look terminally unelectable.
Nobody trusts 'New Labour' they think they are sly devious and manipulative.
A Left Wing Labour Led Party will be slaughtered by the Press at the merest hint of electoral success.
What everyone of every political persuasion can agree on is that this Labour Leadership Contest has been an unmitigated disaster for the Labour Movement.
And at this point we should ask ourselves..Should Labour split?
Lots of things that Corbyn believes in are popular. But he needs to abandon Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament and fuck all those people off who will not integrate into UK Society.
Nationalise Railways Gas & Electricity and only treat people on the NHS with non self inflicted injuries. That way we can save billions.
The NHS wasn't formed to give out e-cigarettes to smokers or free gym membership to fat fuckers or detox to druggies or counselling to Alchoholics or tatoo removal for thick cunts but genuine help to those who genuinely deserve it.
Somewhere along the way we have got our priorities completely mixed up.
We now live in a country where East Europeans/Immigrants have more 'Rights' than people who have lived here for Centuries.
That cannot be right?
Chuck Capital Punishment and compulsory National Service into the ring for all 18 year olds irrespective of class race and religion and we might be on to a winner.
That would certainly get.my vote.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 22, 2015 0:26:30 GMT
Labour have dug themselves into a hole which is getting deeper and deeper. The Right Wing by constantly smearing Corbyn because they don't want him to win are being extremely divisive. The Left Wing by abandoning all that ' New Labour' stand for ( Winning elections at any cost) are also being divisive. Either way they are making themselves look terminally unelectable. Nobody trusts 'New Labour' they think they are sly devious and manipulative. A Left Wing Labour Led Party will be slaughtered by the Press at the merest hint of electoral success. What everyone of every political persuasion can agree on is that this Labour Leadership Contest has been an unmitigated disaster for the Labour Movement. And at this point we should ask ourselves..Should Labour split? Lots of things that Corbyn believes in are popular. But he needs to abandon Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament and fuck all those people off who will not integrate into UK Society. Nationalise Railways Gas & Electricity and only treat people on the NHS with non self inflicted injuries. That way we can save billions. The NHS wasn't formed to give out e-cigarettes to smokers or free gym membership to fat fuckers or detox to druggies but genuine help to those who genuinely deserve it. Somewhere along the way we have got our priorities completely mixed up Chuck Capital Punishment and compulsory National Service into the ring for all 18 year olds irrespective of class race and religion and we might be on to a winner. That would certainly get.my vote. You're criticising them for making themselves unelectable, then advocating bringing back national service as a popular policy?? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 0:26:37 GMT
I do accept that my views are sometimes unpalatable to some on here. No offense meant Bish. In a Democracy we have a Right to Agree/Disagree with each other. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me.....but I do have a problem with the manner in which some do so ....call me Pompous and arrogant if you wish , but I'm never offensive ....in a democracy it's correct to debate things in a right and proper manner is it not ? ....have it your own way, I'm done with the Oatcake . |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 22, 2015 0:33:40 GMT
Labour have dug themselves into a hole which is getting deeper and deeper. The Right Wing by constantly smearing Corbyn because they don't want him to win are being extremely divisive. The Left Wing by abandoning all that ' New Labour' stand for ( Winning elections at any cost) are also being divisive. Either way they are making themselves look terminally unelectable. Nobody trusts 'New Labour' they think they are sly devious and manipulative. A Left Wing Labour Led Party will be slaughtered by the Press at the merest hint of electoral success. What everyone of every political persuasion can agree on is that this Labour Leadership Contest has been an unmitigated disaster for the Labour Movement. And at this point we should ask ourselves..Should Labour split? Lots of things that Corbyn believes in are popular. But he needs to abandon Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament and fuck all those people off who will not integrate into UK Society. Nationalise Railways Gas & Electricity and only treat people on the NHS with non self inflicted injuries. That way we can save billions. The NHS wasn't formed to give out e-cigarettes to smokers or free gym membership to fat fuckers or detox to druggies but genuine help to those who genuinely deserve it. Somewhere along the way we have got our priorities completely mixed up Chuck Capital Punishment and compulsory National Service into the ring for all 18 year olds irrespective of class race and religion and we might be on to a winner. That would certainly get.my vote. You're criticising them for making themselves unelectable, then advocating bringing back national service as a popular policy?? So National Service would be unpopular with voters? A vote loser? |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 22, 2015 6:23:03 GMT
I do accept that my views are sometimes unpalatable to some on here. No offense meant Bish. In a Democracy we have a Right to Agree/Disagree with each other. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me.....but I do have a problem with the manner in which some do so ....call me Pompous and arrogant if you wish , but I'm never offensive ....in a democracy it's correct to debate things in a right and proper manner is it not ? ....have it your own way, I'm done with the Oatcake . Bish, these "political" threads are not worth taking seriously. Stick with the cricket - although after yesterday's showing I'd understand why you might choose to not comment. |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 22, 2015 9:16:03 GMT
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 22, 2015 9:28:04 GMT
I do accept that my views are sometimes unpalatable to some on here. No offense meant Bish. In a Democracy we have a Right to Agree/Disagree with each other. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me.....but I do have a problem with the manner in which some do so ....call me Pompous and arrogant if you wish , but I'm never offensive ....in a democracy it's correct to debate things in a right and proper manner is it not ? ....have it your own way, I'm done with the Oatcake . Then you have let them win mate , you've given them exactly what they want . All this is is an internt forum full of sad little know alls after all and I can 100% nailed on guarantee the majority of the people that post on here aren't all their in the head. There are more nerds and geeks in society nowadays then ever before and they naturally will be drawn to sites like this . Don't take them serously mate because what they say do and think is wrong the majority of the time and let's be honest if you met any of them in the real world they'd all be as nice as pie to your face. Just do what I do and take the piss out of them and laugh at em. It's all they are good for. The good posters such as yourself , mumf , carps , BJR, britsabroad etc are in a different league and are a different class of human to the likes of you know who But you know all this ;-) |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 22, 2015 10:19:10 GMT
I have no problem with people disagreeing with me.....but I do have a problem with the manner in which some do so ....call me Pompous and arrogant if you wish , but I'm never offensive ....in a democracy it's correct to debate things in a right and proper manner is it not ? ....have it your own way, I'm done with the Oatcake . Then you have let them win mate , you've given them exactly what they want . All this is is an internt forum full of sad little know alls after all and I can 100% nailed on guarantee the majority of the people that post on here aren't all their in the head. There are more nerds and geeks in society nowadays then ever before and they naturally will be drawn to sites like this . Don't take them serously mate because what they say do and think is wrong the majority of the time and let's be honest if you met any of them in the real world they'd all be as nice as pie to your face. Just do what I do and take the piss out of them and laugh at em. It's all they are good for. The good posters such as yourself , mumf , carps , BJR, britsabroad etc are in a different league and are a different class of human to the likes of you know who But you know all this ;-) Basically, if people can't be nice and decent to people, they should just be quiet. General rule of thumb. |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 22, 2015 10:19:36 GMT
Then you have let them win mate , you've given them exactly what they want . All this is is an internt forum full of sad little know alls after all and I can 100% nailed on guarantee the majority of the people that post on here aren't all their in the head. There are more nerds and geeks in society nowadays then ever before and they naturally will be drawn to sites like this . Don't take them serously mate because what they say do and think is wrong the majority of the time and let's be honest if you met any of them in the real world they'd all be as nice as pie to your face. Just do what I do and take the piss out of them and laugh at em. It's all they are good for. The good posters such as yourself , mumf , carps , BJR, britsabroad etc are in a different league and are a different class of human to the likes of you know who But you know all this ;-) Basically, if you can't be nice and decent to people, just be quiet. General rule of thumb. Something similar to that owd yea |
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Post by Biblical on Aug 22, 2015 11:17:01 GMT
Basically, if you can't be nice and decent to people, just be quiet. General rule of thumb. Something similar to that owd yea Oh the irony. |
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