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Post by upthefud on May 21, 2015 21:00:47 GMT
Ok so we're all frustrated and annoyed as usual that Woy is inept at his job, but of all the scapegoats to pick I don't see why Vardy is the target. If anything his and Austin's inclusion are the only two bright spots in my opinion.
Vardy is in form, maybe not in goals but he's been fantastic in Leicester's recent revival. How often do we say that we'd be better off binning all these big name failures and giving players who want to wear the shirt a go? At least you know with Vardy that if he gets his chance he'll be giving everything he's got.
It's the inclusion of Walcott, Townsend and Walcott that are the shambles, and of course the fact that Ryan is still being ignored.
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Post by lastoftheldk on May 21, 2015 21:05:45 GMT
Vardy, this s Roy of the Roves stuff, fleetwood a few seasons ago, now a call up,
mind,its only England,
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Post by march4 on May 21, 2015 21:06:00 GMT
I have no problem with Vardy being picked.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 21:06:23 GMT
4 goals in the Premier league for a striker does not warrant an international call up.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on May 21, 2015 21:07:43 GMT
Vardys job is to score goals. He hasn't done that. Welcome to the squad son!
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Post by upthefud on May 21, 2015 21:10:03 GMT
So he's worse than an injured Welbeck then? Or Townsend who never plays? Or long term absentee Walcott?
We moan when the same players are picked and we moan when someone new gets a chance.
Who would you smart arses have picked instead?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2015 21:10:23 GMT
He runs around a lot a bit quicker than Walters and scores less goals. Marvellous player.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2015 21:11:45 GMT
So he's worse than an injured Welbeck then? Or Townsend who never plays? Or long term absentee Walcott? We moan when the same players are picked and we moan when someone new gets a chance. Who would you smart arses have picked instead? Yes. We moan when players with a certain obvious quality about them don't get a chance. Austin deserves to be in there, this lad doesn't. |
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Post by iplayinthehole on May 21, 2015 21:18:34 GMT
So he's worse than an injured Welbeck then? Or Townsend who never plays? Or long term absentee Walcott? We moan when the same players are picked and we moan when someone new gets a chance. Who would you smart arses have picked instead? You could say that Puncheon, Young and even Ings have a more credible claim to be in the squad. Even our very own big Pete has at least proved he can do it on the international stage, though granted he's not played much |
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Post by Olgrligm on May 21, 2015 21:20:19 GMT
I agree. Players having a good run of form should be given the opportunity at international level.
It's the players who are picked because they're part of 'Club England' who should be the subject of criticism.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 21:20:23 GMT
So he's worse than an injured Welbeck then? Or Townsend who never plays? Or long term absentee Walcott? We moan when the same players are picked and we moan when someone new gets a chance. Who would you smart arses have picked instead? Out of interest, why do you think a striker that doesn't score goals deserves an international call up?. |
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Post by BuzzB on May 21, 2015 21:21:36 GMT
So he's worse than an injured Welbeck then? Or Townsend who never plays? Or long term absentee Walcott? We moan when the same players are picked and we moan when someone new gets a chance. Who would you smart arses have picked instead? Ashley Young, on this seasons form, knocks Vardy into Conference levels. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2015 21:22:23 GMT
Puncheon is an excellent shout actually if it's a form player who deserves a call up in the sort of position Vardy plays. He's much better too.
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Post by upthefud on May 21, 2015 21:23:05 GMT
So he's worse than an injured Welbeck then? Or Townsend who never plays? Or long term absentee Walcott? We moan when the same players are picked and we moan when someone new gets a chance. Who would you smart arses have picked instead? You could say that Puncheon, Young and even Ings have a more credible claim to be in the squad. Even our very own big Pete has at least proved he can do it on the international stage, though granted he's not played much Yes I would pick Puncheon and I would pick Young. Ings as a poacher hasn't been as good as Vardy lately. Like I say, it's Welbeck, Walcott and Townsend who wouldn't be in the squad so room for those 2 as well |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2015 21:26:05 GMT
Ings is in the U-21 squad.
And is way better than Vardy.
Welbeck, Walcott and Townsend should be in because they actually stand a chance of going to a tournament and making a difference. They should be given as many games as they can especially when the quality of player behind them ie Vardy is questionable.
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Post by upthefud on May 21, 2015 21:29:24 GMT
Ings is in the U-21 squad. And is way better than Vardy. Welbeck, Walcott and Townsend should be in because they actually stand a chance of going to a tournament and making a difference. They should be given as many games as they can especially when the quality of player behind them ie Vardy is questionable. Your attitude is one of the reasons we'll stay shit. If you don't think players who aren't playing for their club should be ahead of form players then we'll never improve. |
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Post by upthefud on May 21, 2015 21:30:31 GMT
So he's worse than an injured Welbeck then? Or Townsend who never plays? Or long term absentee Walcott? We moan when the same players are picked and we moan when someone new gets a chance. Who would you smart arses have picked instead? Out of interest, why do you think a striker that doesn't score goals deserves an international call up?. So all strikers need to score goals to have a positive impact? Heskey and Sidibe didn't score many yet tended to improve the results of the teams they played in. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2015 21:34:33 GMT
Ings is in the U-21 squad. And is way better than Vardy. Welbeck, Walcott and Townsend should be in because they actually stand a chance of going to a tournament and making a difference. They should be given as many games as they can especially when the quality of player behind them ie Vardy is questionable. Your attitude is one of the reasons we'll stay shit. If you don't think players who aren't playing for their club should be ahead of form players then we'll never improve. Nope picking average players is what will keep us average. Welbeck when fit is rightly one of the first names on our teamsheet, he's been excellent for England for 2 years. Townsend does need football but he's still a better player than Puncheon etc. Ditto Walcott although he's been spectacularly bad since coming back from injury and his inclusion I don't really like it has to be said! Vardy is just a bit shit, period. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 21:38:52 GMT
Out of interest, why do you think a striker that doesn't score goals deserves an international call up?. So all strikers need to score goals to have a positive impact? Heskey and Sidibe didn't score many yet tended to improve the results of the teams they played in. Yes, it generally helps if a striker scores goals. |
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Post by upthefud on May 21, 2015 21:40:39 GMT
Your attitude is one of the reasons we'll stay shit. If you don't think players who aren't playing for their club should be ahead of form players then we'll never improve. Nope picking average players is what will keep us average. Welbeck when fit is rightly one of the first names on our teamsheet, he's been excellent for England for 2 years. Townsend does need football but he's still a better player than Puncheon etc. Ditto Walcott although he's been spectacularly bad since coming back from injury and his inclusion I don't really like it has to be said! Vardy is just a bit shit, period. Townsend better than Puncheon? On what form are you basing that on? Townsend's for the Spurs reserves compared to Puncheon's in the Premier League? Give over Bayern. Club form players for country, if that happens it might encourage these "stars" to actually look for first team football. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2015 21:43:24 GMT
Nope picking average players is what will keep us average. Welbeck when fit is rightly one of the first names on our teamsheet, he's been excellent for England for 2 years. Townsend does need football but he's still a better player than Puncheon etc. Ditto Walcott although he's been spectacularly bad since coming back from injury and his inclusion I don't really like it has to be said! Vardy is just a bit shit, period. Townsend better than Puncheon? On what form are you basing that on? Townsend's for the Spurs reserves compared to Puncheon's in the Premier League? Give over Bayern. Club form players for country, if that happens it might encourage these "stars" to actually look for first team football. It's not all about form though is it? Previous games for England count and he's done well for England, he deserves his place. The player have got to have form, Vardy's been good for a few months and that's it. Is a few months of form enough to warrant an England call up? Is it bollocks! He's desperately average too which doesn't help. |
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Post by upthefud on May 21, 2015 21:48:42 GMT
Townsend better than Puncheon? On what form are you basing that on? Townsend's for the Spurs reserves compared to Puncheon's in the Premier League? Give over Bayern. Club form players for country, if that happens it might encourage these "stars" to actually look for first team football. It's not all about form though is it? Previous games for England count and he's done well for England, he deserves his place. The player have got to have form, Vardy's been good for a few months and that's it. Is a few months of form enough to warrant an England call up? Is it bollocks! He's desperately average too which doesn't help. Well not even a few months good form was needed for Callum Chambers or Chris Smalling. And yes it is, the national team should be picked on form as opposed to this ridiculous closed shop of failures. Theoretically if Vardy scores a hat-trick then sits on the Leicester bench would you say his England form warrants another go? No you wouldn't. I don't see how you can champion Shawcross when you clearly suffer from the big club bias. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 21, 2015 21:52:15 GMT
Roy saw him at Fleetwood and a player with bags of pace who can get in behind always interests a coach!  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2015 21:53:37 GMT
It's not all about form though is it? Previous games for England count and he's done well for England, he deserves his place. The player have got to have form, Vardy's been good for a few months and that's it. Is a few months of form enough to warrant an England call up? Is it bollocks! He's desperately average too which doesn't help. Well not even a few months good form was needed for Callum Chambers or Chris Smalling. And yes it is, the national team should be picked on form as opposed to this ridiculous closed shop of failures. Theoretically if Vardy scores a hat-trick then sits on the Leicester bench would you say his England form warrants another go? No you wouldn't. I don't see how you can champion Shawcross when you clearly suffer from the big club bias. I think Woy is a clown but for picking the likes of Chambers and for picking the likes of Vardy! And no it shouldn't, it's never really worked like that. Form plays its part obviously but you have to be of the quality too, Vardy isn't. I suffer no bias, I want the best players playing England, Welbeck and Townsend are two of them. Jamie Vardy isn't! |
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Post by upthefud on May 21, 2015 21:59:15 GMT
Well not even a few months good form was needed for Callum Chambers or Chris Smalling. And yes it is, the national team should be picked on form as opposed to this ridiculous closed shop of failures. Theoretically if Vardy scores a hat-trick then sits on the Leicester bench would you say his England form warrants another go? No you wouldn't. I don't see how you can champion Shawcross when you clearly suffer from the big club bias. I think Woy is a clown but for picking the likes of Chambers and for picking the likes of Vardy! And no it shouldn't, it's never really worked like that. Form plays its part obviously but you have to be of the quality too, Vardy isn't. I suffer no bias, I want the best players playing England, Welbeck and Townsend are two of them. Jamie Vardy isn't! Picking the "best players" has really worked for us recently. What's the definition of insanity again? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2015 22:04:47 GMT
I think Woy is a clown but for picking the likes of Chambers and for picking the likes of Vardy! And no it shouldn't, it's never really worked like that. Form plays its part obviously but you have to be of the quality too, Vardy isn't. I suffer no bias, I want the best players playing England, Welbeck and Townsend are two of them. Jamie Vardy isn't! Picking the "best players" has really worked for us recently. What's the definition of insanity again? So you pick much worse players based on about 6 games worth of form, seems legit...... We need a new manager who can get the best out of a very good set of young attacking players we have. |
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Post by upthefud on May 21, 2015 22:07:43 GMT
Picking the "best players" has really worked for us recently. What's the definition of insanity again? So you pick much worse players based on about 6 games worth of form, seems legit...... We need a new manager who can get the best out of a very good set of young attacking players we have. We need a manager who isn't afraid of dropping the so called big names from top teams who aren't performing and giving form players a chance instead. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2015 22:12:30 GMT
So you pick much worse players based on about 6 games worth of form, seems legit...... We need a new manager who can get the best out of a very good set of young attacking players we have. We need a manager who isn't afraid of dropping the so called big names from top teams who aren't performing and giving form players a chance instead. We do but to an extent-a month or two isn't a form player! If he was young then maybe but even then no! He needs to do it over a year, then we might get into giving him a chance. He does not deserve an England call up. And lets be honest he'd be nowhere near it if Kane, Ings, Berahino and Ward-Prowse weren't in the U-21 squad. Nevermind Sturridge and Chambo being injured. All of those names there are streets ahead of Vardy.....Jon Walters is, I'd never want him playing for England because he's simply not good enough and never will be! |
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Post by upthefud on May 21, 2015 22:21:03 GMT
We need a manager who isn't afraid of dropping the so called big names from top teams who aren't performing and giving form players a chance instead. We do but to an extent-a month or two isn't a form player! If he was young then maybe but even then no! He needs to do it over a year, then we might get into giving him a chance. He does not deserve an England call up. And lets be honest he'd be nowhere near it if Kane, Ings, Berahino and Ward-Prowse weren't in the U-21 squad. Nevermind Sturridge and Chambo being injured. All of those names there are streets ahead of Vardy.....Jon Walters is, I'd never want him playing for England because he's simply not good enough and never will be! No I know he wouldn't, I'm not denying that he's behind those players, I just don't get the stick he's getting. For me as I said in the OP it's refreshing to see someone who isn't a reserve player from one of the top teams given a call up. It's the same faces like Townsend Walcott and Welbeck who've done nothing to justify their inclusion that turns everyone off international football. If Vardy plays a blinder would you advocate picking him again given your logic with regards to Townsend? |
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Post by spitthedog on May 21, 2015 22:22:41 GMT
Vardy, this s Roy of the Roves stuff, fleetwood a few seasons ago, now a call up, mind,its only England, Never mind Fleetwood, I saw him playing for Stocksbridge Park Steels only 5 years ago in the Evo-Stik. He was already 23 then! It is a remarkable rise and I think its brilliant that this can happen. They will love this at Stocksbridge. I hope he does well. |
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