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Post by crapslinger on May 3, 2015 15:25:57 GMT
Hypocrite . You call Abbots comments misguided but when it's a white person making similar comments you call them racist. I won't answer your question until you answer mine Put Abbott's comments into context behind centuries of abuse and racism which her race suffered from and I think her comments are misguided rather than racist. However I'm glad you're admitting to racism in the UKIP fold now. Piss poor excuse how does what happened centuries ago affect or excuse her blatantly racist remarks made recently, to attack a race on the colour of their skin is racist in the true sense of racism no excuses can change that, you are 100% hypocrite.
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Post by crapslinger on May 3, 2015 15:29:40 GMT
I don't believe so. Feel free to prove me wrong though I'm sure you will. I thought you were supposed to be well educated, if you can not deduce what is racist in what she said about white people then you probably need to return to school as a student Sir.
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Post by ukcstokie on May 3, 2015 15:31:20 GMT
The British culture. Not the Indian culture (which my youngest spends far more time learning about at the moment at Primary school). Not the African culture. Not the Eastern European culture. The British culture. I suspect we're the only place in the world where wanting to preserve the indigenous culture is attacked and people feared being called racist for wanting to. What exactly do you consider the British Culture to be. Not a wind up a serious question. "Not a wind up"? Really? I've seen many of the left slag off their view of British culture. But, I'll have a go (even though, like every culture, it evolves, it develops). It's beer, fish and chips, Sunday roast, Christmas, football, cricket, moaning about the weather, going to the pub, Shakespeare, queuing, driving on the left, Wordsworth, having a stiff upper lip, the BBC, Morris dancing, last night of the proms, Cathedrals, the royalty, our history, treating people with respect, complaining quietly, going for a curry, Jerusalem, Scots Gaelic, Welsh, the kilt, bagpipes, tartan, the village shop, liberal democracy, industrial revolution, Dads army, Ealing comedies, Oscare Wild, Jane Austin, Elgar, the Beatles, walking the dog, The Who, The Stones, Dickens, pantomime, the National Trust, Sir Isaac Newton,.... ...and not as they taught my youngest recently - about Bollywood. He is taught more about the culture of Asia and Africa than his homeland (he's been taught nothing about his Scottish culture for example).
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2015 15:33:47 GMT
Put Abbott's comments into context behind centuries of abuse and racism which her race suffered from and I think her comments are misguided rather than racist. However I'm glad you're admitting to racism in the UKIP fold now. Piss poor excuse how does what happened centuries ago affect or excuse her blatantly racist remarks made recently, to attack a race on the colour of their skin is racist in the true sense of racism no excuses can change that, you are 100% hypocrite. You're entitled to your opinion of course. Wrong as I believe it to be.
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Post by crapslinger on May 3, 2015 15:37:15 GMT
What exactly do you consider the British Culture to be. Not a wind up a serious question. "Not a wind up"? Really? I've seen many of the left slag off their view of British culture. But, I'll have a go (even though, like every culture, it evolves, it develops). It's beer, fish and chips, Sunday roast, Christmas, football, cricket, moaning about the weather, going to the pub, Shakespeare, queuing, driving on the left, Wordsworth, having a stiff upper lip, the BBC, Morris dancing, last night of the proms, Cathedrals, the royalty, our history, treating people with respect, complaining quietly, going for a curry, Jerusalem, Scots Gaelic, Welsh, the kilt, bagpipes, tartan, the village shop, liberal democracy, industrial revolution, Dads army, Ealing comedies, Oscare Wild, Jane Austin, Elgar, the Beatles, walking the dog, The Who, The Stones, Dickens, pantomime, the National Trust, Sir Isaac Newton,.... ...and not as they were taught my youngest recently - about Bollywood. He is taught more about the culture of Asia and Africa than his homeland (he's been taught nothing about his Scottish culture for example). spot on what was/is wrong with British culture you describe, it is and has been torn apart to suit other communities and their cultural requirements, it is time we started to look after our own.
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Post by edgepotter on May 3, 2015 15:37:42 GMT
Oh my lord. You are criticising others like Huddy of chucking dirt you are saying they are wrong to do so. And then you go and do the exact same thing yourself. Two wrongs don't make a right and you're a hypocrite by resorting to such tactics. Let's open it up to others, who's right me or Harry? Oh my allah Read what I said . Of course certain others will call me a hypocrite. I'm sure the likes of huddy and his ilk will think im a hypocrite. They are wrong. It is them and you who are hypocritical. It's quite sad that you need approval and validation from others though. It must be terrible to have no self confidence It's got nothing to do having no self confidence. You clearly don't think you're wrong and you clearly don't think you're a hypocrite but people other than myself can be the judge of that. Some have already said you're a massive hypocrite and if a few more also tell you the penny might finally drop for you. I'm not holding much hope though.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2015 16:00:26 GMT
"Not a wind up"? Really? I've seen many of the left slag off their view of British culture. But, I'll have a go (even though, like every culture, it evolves, it develops). It's beer, fish and chips, Sunday roast, Christmas, football, cricket, moaning about the weather, going to the pub, Shakespeare, queuing, driving on the left, Wordsworth, having a stiff upper lip, the BBC, Morris dancing, last night of the proms, Cathedrals, the royalty, our history, treating people with respect, complaining quietly, going for a curry, Jerusalem, Scots Gaelic, Welsh, the kilt, bagpipes, tartan, the village shop, liberal democracy, industrial revolution, Dads army, Ealing comedies, Oscare Wild, Jane Austin, Elgar, the Beatles, walking the dog, The Who, The Stones, Dickens, pantomime, the National Trust, Sir Isaac Newton,.... ...and not as they were taught my youngest recently - about Bollywood. He is taught more about the culture of Asia and Africa than his homeland (he's been taught nothing about his Scottish culture for example). spot on what was/is wrong with British culture you describe, it is and has been torn apart to suit other communities and their cultural requirements, it is time we started to look after our own. And all those things UKC quotes are all readily available still.
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Post by crapslinger on May 3, 2015 16:21:31 GMT
spot on what was/is wrong with British culture you describe, it is and has been torn apart to suit other communities and their cultural requirements, it is time we started to look after our own. And all those things UKC quotes are all readily available still. And many other things that are not native to our culture.
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Post by partickpotter on May 3, 2015 16:22:41 GMT
What exactly do you consider the British Culture to be. Not a wind up a serious question. "Not a wind up"? Really? I've seen many of the left slag off their view of British culture. But, I'll have a go (even though, like every culture, it evolves, it develops). It's beer, fish and chips, Sunday roast, Christmas, football, cricket, moaning about the weather, going to the pub, Shakespeare, queuing, driving on the left, Wordsworth, having a stiff upper lip, the BBC, Morris dancing, last night of the proms, Cathedrals, the royalty, our history, treating people with respect, complaining quietly, going for a curry, Jerusalem, Scots Gaelic, Welsh, the kilt, bagpipes, tartan, the village shop, liberal democracy, industrial revolution, Dads army, Ealing comedies, Oscare Wild, Jane Austin, Elgar, the Beatles, walking the dog, The Who, The Stones, Dickens, pantomime, the National Trust, Sir Isaac Newton,.... ...and not as they taught my youngest recently - about Bollywood. He is taught more about the culture of Asia and Africa than his homeland (he's been taught nothing about his Scottish culture for example). Great list! Can I add a few more; the Mini, Page 3, Thunderbirds, the Queen, Marks and Sparks and Isambard Kingdom Brunel.
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Post by ukcstokie on May 3, 2015 16:28:14 GMT
spot on what was/is wrong with British culture you describe, it is and has been torn apart to suit other communities and their cultural requirements, it is time we started to look after our own. And all those things UKC quotes are all readily available still. Of course they are. But to many people in this country they mean absolutely nothing. Nothing. Because we try and accommodate other cultures, we neglect our own. Parts slowly die. For example, I was told a few years ago - on a compulsory diversity awareness course - hosted by an ex-Met police sergeant, that if I took my team to the pub - for example to celebrate a success - something that has been done for a very long time, and somebody objected on religious grounds, that I could be prosecuted if I continued. Since then I've seen celebratory piss ups die in my company.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 3, 2015 16:46:36 GMT
But to many people in this country they mean absolutely nothing. Nothing. Because we try and accommodate other cultures, we neglect our own. Parts slowly die. I'm as proud a white Englishman as you'll find but plenty of the things on your 'list of Britishness' mean absolutely fuck all to me. Times move on, cultures change, languages evolve..... Look around Stoke, I'm a 'Neckender' & I, along with most of my family have still got a pretty strong 'Neckend accent', but the vast majority of Stoke-on-Trent hasn't anymore. Is that all to blame on foreigners & people wanting to kill off the Stoke ways of life, or is it just a sign of time rolling on?
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 17:24:25 GMT
Oh my allah Read what I said . Of course certain others will call me a hypocrite. I'm sure the likes of huddy and his ilk will think im a hypocrite. They are wrong. It is them and you who are hypocritical. It's quite sad that you need approval and validation from others though. It must be terrible to have no self confidence It's got nothing to do having no self confidence. You clearly don't think you're wrong and you clearly don't think you're a hypocrite but people other than myself can be the judge of that. Some have already said you're a massive hypocrite and if a few more also tell you the penny might finally drop for you. I'm not holding much hope though. Mate there are things you can do to work on your self esteem issues. Once you gain confidence life gets so much better. I hope for your sake one day you stop with the self doubt. I'm not hold much hope though
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 17:37:24 GMT
What exactly do you consider the British Culture to be. Not a wind up a serious question. "Not a wind up"? Really? I've seen many of the left slag off their view of British culture. But, I'll have a go (even though, like every culture, it evolves, it develops). It's beer, fish and chips, Sunday roast, Christmas, football, cricket, moaning about the weather, going to the pub, Shakespeare, queuing, driving on the left, Wordsworth, having a stiff upper lip, the BBC, Morris dancing, last night of the proms, Cathedrals, the royalty, our history, treating people with respect, complaining quietly, going for a curry, Jerusalem, Scots Gaelic, Welsh, the kilt, bagpipes, tartan, the village shop, liberal democracy, industrial revolution, Dads army, Ealing comedies, Oscare Wild, Jane Austin, Elgar, the Beatles, walking the dog, The Who, The Stones, Dickens, pantomime, the National Trust, Sir Isaac Newton,.... ...and not as they taught my youngest recently - about Bollywood. He is taught more about the culture of Asia and Africa than his homeland (he's been taught nothing about his Scottish culture for example). +1 Good list and let's be honest that isn't even the tip of the iceberg and there is so much more to British culture than that. It's not always "things" but it's how those things are done. The little attention to detail that is unique to these shores. If Native American and Aboriginal culture is worthy of saving and celebrating then so is my culture and it shouldn't play 2nd fiddle to other cultures in its own back yard
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Post by partickpotter on May 3, 2015 18:11:02 GMT
"Not a wind up"? Really? I've seen many of the left slag off their view of British culture. But, I'll have a go (even though, like every culture, it evolves, it develops). It's beer, fish and chips, Sunday roast, Christmas, football, cricket, moaning about the weather, going to the pub, Shakespeare, queuing, driving on the left, Wordsworth, having a stiff upper lip, the BBC, Morris dancing, last night of the proms, Cathedrals, the royalty, our history, treating people with respect, complaining quietly, going for a curry, Jerusalem, Scots Gaelic, Welsh, the kilt, bagpipes, tartan, the village shop, liberal democracy, industrial revolution, Dads army, Ealing comedies, Oscare Wild, Jane Austin, Elgar, the Beatles, walking the dog, The Who, The Stones, Dickens, pantomime, the National Trust, Sir Isaac Newton,.... ...and not as they taught my youngest recently - about Bollywood. He is taught more about the culture of Asia and Africa than his homeland (he's been taught nothing about his Scottish culture for example). +1 Good list and let's be honest that isn't even the tip of the iceberg and there is so much more to British culture than that. It's not always "things" but it's how those things are done. The little attention to detail that is unique to these shores. If Native American and Aboriginal culture is worthy of saving and celebrating then so is my culture and it shouldn't play 2nd fiddle to other cultures in its own back yard And thanks also for the like for my wee addition of British cultural icons. Appreciated.
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Post by edgepotter on May 3, 2015 18:47:15 GMT
It's got nothing to do having no self confidence. You clearly don't think you're wrong and you clearly don't think you're a hypocrite but people other than myself can be the judge of that. Some have already said you're a massive hypocrite and if a few more also tell you the penny might finally drop for you. I'm not holding much hope though. Mate there are things you can do to work on your self esteem issues. Once you gain confidence life gets so much better. I hope for your sake one day you stop with the self doubt. I'm not hold much hope though You're just proving you don't read what I've been saying by wittering on about utter nonsense. I've got no self esteem issues you're just clearly not very bright. If you go and look up the definition of 'hypocrite' in the dictionary you should find a very accurate description of the behaviour displayed by yourself during this discussion.
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 19:10:36 GMT
Mate there are things you can do to work on your self esteem issues. Once you gain confidence life gets so much better. I hope for your sake one day you stop with the self doubt. I'm not hold much hope though You're just proving you don't read what I've been saying by wittering on about utter nonsense. I've got no self esteem issues you're just clearly not very bright. If you go and look up the definition of 'hypocrite' in the dictionary you should find a very accurate description of the behaviour displayed by yourself during this discussion. I've read everything you said and to be honest I agree with a hell of a lot of it. My gripe with you is that you don't apply those same standards across the board. Next time someone calls ukip racist or posts a childish meme if I see you jumping to Farage's defense then ill eat my words but until then I stand by what I say. You come across very insecure. Asking for people to validate your opinion of me is pathetic. I don't need anyone to confirm for me what I think of you . I think what I think and I couldn't care less who agrees and who doesn't. No one's opinion is more valid than anyone else's
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Post by edgepotter on May 3, 2015 19:27:10 GMT
You're just proving you don't read what I've been saying by wittering on about utter nonsense. I've got no self esteem issues you're just clearly not very bright. If you go and look up the definition of 'hypocrite' in the dictionary you should find a very accurate description of the behaviour displayed by yourself during this discussion. I've read everything you said and to be honest I agree with a hell of a lot of it. My gripe with you is that you don't apply those same standards across the board. Next time someone calls ukip racist or posts a childish meme if I see you jumping to Farage's defense then ill eat my words but until then I stand by what I say. You come across very insecure. Asking for people to validate your opinion of me is pathetic. I don't need anyone to confirm for me what I think of you . I think what I think and I couldn't care less who agrees and who doesn't. No one's opinion is more valid than anyone else's I have pulled other people like up for it not just yourself and I'll continue to do so don't think I've picked on you just because you're a UKIP supporter because that's not the case.
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 19:34:48 GMT
I've read everything you said and to be honest I agree with a hell of a lot of it. My gripe with you is that you don't apply those same standards across the board. Next time someone calls ukip racist or posts a childish meme if I see you jumping to Farage's defense then ill eat my words but until then I stand by what I say. You come across very insecure. Asking for people to validate your opinion of me is pathetic. I don't need anyone to confirm for me what I think of you . I think what I think and I couldn't care less who agrees and who doesn't. No one's opinion is more valid than anyone else's I have pulled other people like up for it not just yourself and I'll continue to do so don't think I've picked on you just because you're a UKIP supporter because that's not the case. In that case mate fair enough.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 19:48:38 GMT
Fuck me drunk, some people do think highly of themselves
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 19:52:47 GMT
Fuck me drunk, some people do think highly of themselves You're not wrong, frase. Not like in the good old GDB days when an account delete was the way to get attention. Going downhill this board I tell thee
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 20:00:49 GMT
Fuck me drunk, some people do think highly of themselves You're not wrong, frase. Not like in the good old GDB days when an account delete was the way to get attention. Going downhill this board I tell thee I'm pretty tempted now, but I like to get to about 4-5 thousand posts firsts .....until then, carry on being an awkward cunt
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Post by henry on May 3, 2015 20:09:04 GMT
Schools in Birmingham are teaching about Islamabad Kingdom Brunel.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2015 23:11:41 GMT
I have pulled other people like up for it not just yourself and I'll continue to do so don't think I've picked on you just because you're a UKIP supporter because that's not the case. In that case mate fair enough. For goodness sake.............
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Post by desman2 on May 4, 2015 0:05:30 GMT
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 3:29:44 GMT
In that case mate fair enough. For goodness sake............. Childish little hypocrite
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 4, 2015 17:02:31 GMT
Some aspects of culture are, quite rightly, taken for granted.A handshake and being able to look someone in the face when talking to them are fundamental customs enjoyed by Europeans in modern history. Even under European Court of Human Rights legislation, the French and Belgium governments' ban on the burqa was upheld.
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