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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2015 14:28:39 GMT
I have provided evidence. And it's not the opinion of one man. Plenty of people have accused the Greens of anti semitism and there is no smoke without fire. Toby was an ex Green party member so his experiences and his findings count for much more than your opinions. But people on the left DO say that about UKIP and I don't see you getting your knickers in a twist about that. I haven't discredited myself at all. If Huddy can post made up fake memes that liken Farage to Nazis, if Huddy can search high and low for a shred of "evidence" that makes a UKIP member look racist then I think it's fair game that I post a link from an ex Green party member stating his findings within the party. If a UKIP member left the party and claimed that he had left due to racism the left on here would have a field day and I suspect you wouldn't say anything to them about it. It seems you think it's ok for one (huddy) but not for others . And finally I very much doubt the Green Party are going to make their anti semitism public knowledge now are they. By them same standards I challenge any lefty that constantly shouts RACIST at ukip to find me any single racist policies within the UKIP manifesto. If the Green Party associates itself with well know racists and anti semities it shouldn't be surprised when they are called out on it. You have lost this argument You're just proving me right. You've said (and bizarrely you seem to think it proves your point) 'plenty of people have accused the Greens of anti-semitism and there's no smoke without fire'. Ok so let's take your same logic and apply it to your party UKIP shall we? 'Plenty of people accuse UKIP of racism and there's no smoke without fire'. (It's clearly not true, UKIP are not a racist party) It doesn't prove your point that "the Greens must be anti-semitic". It simply proves my point that anyone who says UKIP are racist are EQUALLY as wrong as anyone who says the Greens are anti-semitic. Again I'm paraphrasing but you're saying "if Huddy can do it so can I". Bizarrely even though you think Huddy is wrong for doing it, and have openly criticised him for it, you seem to think it's perfectly acceptable to do it yourself and you're completely wrong. If Huddy is guilty of what you accuse him of then you're also guilty of it. Two wrongs don't make a right, it just makes you both wrong, very wrong. I've said before if I see anyone making a claim that can't be substantiated I will call them out for it just like I'm calling you out and I'm not bothered whether they are from the left or right because I've got no agenda other than to discuss provable claims that can be objectively evidenced. If the Greens haven't got anti-semitic policies, and you can't provide any quotes from any members that show they are anti-semitic then you cannot possibly (with any integrity or respect) make such claims. You most definitely have lost this argument. UKIP are a party littered with racists is what I wrote. If I've called UKIP a racist party I am wrong and I apologise for any genuine non-racist UKIPPERS.
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Post by crapslinger on May 3, 2015 14:29:43 GMT
No you haven't. Come on Sir. Be a man and stop back tracking and hiding . You say they are all the same and I'm asking you and have done several times if this applies to the Greens as well or is that different? He has answered your question, he said if you can find a racist Green party member he will happily denounce them along with all other racists. I'm not quite sure what else he can say to answer you. How come he has not denounced Diane Abbott if that is indeed the case, as you have conceded she has made racist remarks regarding white people, I think you will find you are taking the side of a Hypocrite.
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 14:33:45 GMT
I have provided evidence. And it's not the opinion of one man. Plenty of people have accused the Greens of anti semitism and there is no smoke without fire. Toby was an ex Green party member so his experiences and his findings count for much more than your opinions. But people on the left DO say that about UKIP and I don't see you getting your knickers in a twist about that. I haven't discredited myself at all. If Huddy can post made up fake memes that liken Farage to Nazis, if Huddy can search high and low for a shred of "evidence" that makes a UKIP member look racist then I think it's fair game that I post a link from an ex Green party member stating his findings within the party. If a UKIP member left the party and claimed that he had left due to racism the left on here would have a field day and I suspect you wouldn't say anything to them about it. It seems you think it's ok for one (huddy) but not for others . And finally I very much doubt the Green Party are going to make their anti semitism public knowledge now are they. By them same standards I challenge any lefty that constantly shouts RACIST at ukip to find me any single racist policies within the UKIP manifesto. If the Green Party associates itself with well know racists and anti semities it shouldn't be surprised when they are called out on it. You have lost this argument You're just proving me right. You've said (and bizarrely you seem to think it proves your point) 'plenty of people have accused the Greens of anti-semitism and there's no smoke without fire'. Ok so let's take your same logic and apply it to your party UKIP shall we? 'Plenty of people accuse UKIP of racism and there's no smoke without fire'. (It's clearly not true, UKIP are not a racist party) It doesn't prove your point that "the Greens must be anti-semitic". It simply proves my point that anyone who says UKIP are racist are EQUALLY as wrong as anyone who says the Greens are anti-semitic. Again I'm paraphrasing but you're saying "if Huddy can do it so can I". Bizarrely even though you think Huddy is wrong for doing it, and have openly criticised him for it, you seem to think it's perfectly acceptable to do it yourself and you're completely wrong. If Huddy is guilty of what you accuse him of then you're also guilty of it. Two wrongs don't make a right, it just makes you both wrong, very wrong. I've said before if I see anyone making a claim that can't be substantiated I will call them out for it just like I'm calling you out and I'm not bothered whether they are from the left or right because I've got no agenda other than to discuss provable claims that can be objectively evidenced. If the Greens haven't got anti-semitic policies, and you can't provide any quotes from any members that show they are anti-semitic then you cannot possibly (with any integrity or respect) make such claims. You most definitely have lost this argument. Incorrect. I have proven you wrong. And yes of course that same token applies to UKIP . There WILL be racists within ukip just as their are racists within the Labour party and the Greens etc. My point is for every kilo of dirt you can chuck at UKIP I can chuck a ton at the other parties. You seem to lack the ability to crasp common sense. If the left think it's ok to smear UKIP and post nonsense about them without any evidence to back any of it up then I think quoting an ex Green party member that left the party due to anti semitism is fair game. If Huddy and his ilk can sit there and tell lies and half truths about UKIP then they have to accept that their own opinions will also be tackled. Just because someone hasn't openly made racist comments that doesn't mean that their actions and their agenda isn't a racist one. You can try and change my mind all you want but I will not give an inch because when I'm right I will stand by what I say no matter what and I am right and you are wrong. You have most definitely lost this argument
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 14:34:22 GMT
You're just proving me right. You've said (and bizarrely you seem to think it proves your point) 'plenty of people have accused the Greens of anti-semitism and there's no smoke without fire'. Ok so let's take your same logic and apply it to your party UKIP shall we? 'Plenty of people accuse UKIP of racism and there's no smoke without fire'. (It's clearly not true, UKIP are not a racist party) It doesn't prove your point that "the Greens must be anti-semitic". It simply proves my point that anyone who says UKIP are racist are EQUALLY as wrong as anyone who says the Greens are anti-semitic. Again I'm paraphrasing but you're saying "if Huddy can do it so can I". Bizarrely even though you think Huddy is wrong for doing it, and have openly criticised him for it, you seem to think it's perfectly acceptable to do it yourself and you're completely wrong. If Huddy is guilty of what you accuse him of then you're also guilty of it. Two wrongs don't make a right, it just makes you both wrong, very wrong. I've said before if I see anyone making a claim that can't be substantiated I will call them out for it just like I'm calling you out and I'm not bothered whether they are from the left or right because I've got no agenda other than to discuss provable claims that can be objectively evidenced. If the Greens haven't got anti-semitic policies, and you can't provide any quotes from any members that show they are anti-semitic then you cannot possibly (with any integrity or respect) make such claims. You most definitely have lost this argument. UKIP are a party littered with racists is what I wrote. If I've called UKIP a racist party I am wrong and I apologise for any genuine non-racist UKIPPERS. As are all parties. But ok I accept your apology
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 14:37:43 GMT
A stupid vague question. You could ask any nationality the same question. How can anyone sum up British culture in a few short paragraphs. British culture and British customs are not less worthy of saving in comparison to others I'm still waiting for you to answer my question with regards to the Greens. Still avoiding it I see You also want to preserve British Culture. Please explain what's vague about my question as to what you now believe it to be? Or can you not describe that which you wish to save? You're making yourself look very silly. And I've answered your question but I will repeat my answer for you. If you can find me a racist in the Green Party I will denounce him or her. Fair enough? I won't answer a single question put to me by you until you answer the question that I asked you Fair enough?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2015 14:42:44 GMT
He has answered your question, he said if you can find a racist Green party member he will happily denounce them along with all other racists. I'm not quite sure what else he can say to answer you. How come he has not denounced Diane Abbott if that is indeed the case, as you have conceded she has made racist remarks regarding white people, I think you will find you are taking the side of a Hypocrite. If Abbott's comments are deemed to be racist then yes I denounce them.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2015 14:43:24 GMT
You also want to preserve British Culture. Please explain what's vague about my question as to what you now believe it to be? Or can you not describe that which you wish to save? You're making yourself look very silly. And I've answered your question but I will repeat my answer for you. If you can find me a racist in the Green Party I will denounce him or her. Fair enough? I won't answer a single question put to me by you until you answer the question that I asked you Fair enough? I've answered your question. You're avoiding mine.
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 14:44:25 GMT
I won't answer a single question put to me by you until you answer the question that I asked you Fair enough? I've answered your question. You're avoiding mine. No you haven't.
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 14:45:12 GMT
How come he has not denounced Diane Abbott if that is indeed the case, as you have conceded she has made racist remarks regarding white people, I think you will find you are taking the side of a Hypocrite. If Abbott's comments are deemed to be racist then yes I denounce them. Do you deem her comments to be racist?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2015 14:49:47 GMT
If Abbott's comments are deemed to be racist then yes I denounce them. Do you deem her comments to be racist? Misguided yes, racist no, not in my opinion. But it's only my opinion. Still waiting for your replies to my questions.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2015 14:50:34 GMT
I've answered your question. You're avoiding mine. No you haven't. I think it's time to move on. It's like arguing with a small child.
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 14:52:28 GMT
Do you deem her comments to be racist? Misguided yes, racist no, not in my opinion. But it's only my opinion. Still waiting for your replies to my questions. Hypocrite . You call Abbots comments misguided but when it's a white person making similar comments you call them racist. I won't answer your question until you answer mine
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 14:53:26 GMT
I think it's time to move on. It's like arguing with a small child. If you aren't going to answer my question then yes I think it's time to move on. And yes I agree it's like arguing with a spoilt kid
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Post by crapslinger on May 3, 2015 14:55:59 GMT
Do you deem her comments to be racist? Misguided yes, racist no, not in my opinion. But it's only my opinion. Still waiting for your replies to my questions. Hypocrite end of Sir.
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Post by edgepotter on May 3, 2015 14:57:04 GMT
You're just proving me right. You've said (and bizarrely you seem to think it proves your point) 'plenty of people have accused the Greens of anti-semitism and there's no smoke without fire'. Ok so let's take your same logic and apply it to your party UKIP shall we? 'Plenty of people accuse UKIP of racism and there's no smoke without fire'. (It's clearly not true, UKIP are not a racist party) It doesn't prove your point that "the Greens must be anti-semitic". It simply proves my point that anyone who says UKIP are racist are EQUALLY as wrong as anyone who says the Greens are anti-semitic. Again I'm paraphrasing but you're saying "if Huddy can do it so can I". Bizarrely even though you think Huddy is wrong for doing it, and have openly criticised him for it, you seem to think it's perfectly acceptable to do it yourself and you're completely wrong. If Huddy is guilty of what you accuse him of then you're also guilty of it. Two wrongs don't make a right, it just makes you both wrong, very wrong. I've said before if I see anyone making a claim that can't be substantiated I will call them out for it just like I'm calling you out and I'm not bothered whether they are from the left or right because I've got no agenda other than to discuss provable claims that can be objectively evidenced. If the Greens haven't got anti-semitic policies, and you can't provide any quotes from any members that show they are anti-semitic then you cannot possibly (with any integrity or respect) make such claims. You most definitely have lost this argument. Incorrect. I have proven you wrong. And yes of course that same token applies to UKIP . There WILL be racists within ukip just as their are racists within the Labour party and the Greens etc. My point is for every kilo of dirt you can chuck at UKIP I can chuck a ton at the other parties. You seem to lack the ability to crasp common sense. If the left think it's ok to smear UKIP and post nonsense about them without any evidence to back any of it up then I think quoting an ex Green party member that left the party due to anti semitism is fair game. If Huddy and his ilk can sit there and tell lies and half truths about UKIP then they have to accept that their own opinions will also be tackled. Just because someone hasn't openly made racist comments that doesn't mean that their actions and their agenda isn't a racist one. You can try and change my mind all you want but I will not give an inch because when I'm right I will stand by what I say no matter what and I am right and you are wrong. You have most definitely lost this argument Jesus wept. You've clearly stated you're 'chucking dirt' and using foul tactics because it's what Huddy and others on the left do it. You think it's not fair so you fight fire with fire and retaliate by 'chucking dirt' back and you feel justified in doing so. I'm not sure why you're failing to understand me but point I've made (and I think I've made it pretty clearly) is that it's not ok for any side to make claims that cannot be proven objectively. It's wrong to make the claim that UKIP are a racist party and its equally wrong to make the claim that the Green Party are anti-semitic. Go back and read what I've said. And it's 'grasp' not 'crasp'.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2015 15:00:48 GMT
Misguided yes, racist no, not in my opinion. But it's only my opinion. Still waiting for your replies to my questions. Hypocrite end of Sir. I don't believe so. Feel free to prove me wrong though I'm sure you will.
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 15:01:10 GMT
Misguided yes, racist no, not in my opinion. But it's only my opinion. Still waiting for your replies to my questions. Hypocrite end of Sir. He's purposely left it for 4-5 days before replying to a question that I didn't even ask whilst avoiding the actual question. He obviously thinks it's a good tactic but he is wrong. He also thinks that Native American culture is worthy of saving but not British culture. He asks what British culture is not because he wants to know but so he can respond more more anti British speil. I could ask him what Native American culture is and then ridicule it just as he does with anything British but until he answers the original question put to him he won't be getting a reply to his question from me
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2015 15:02:54 GMT
Misguided yes, racist no, not in my opinion. But it's only my opinion. Still waiting for your replies to my questions. Hypocrite . You call Abbots comments misguided but when it's a white person making similar comments you call them racist. I won't answer your question until you answer mine Put Abbott's comments into context behind centuries of abuse and racism which her race suffered from and I think her comments are misguided rather than racist. However I'm glad you're admitting to racism in the UKIP fold now.
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 15:04:45 GMT
Incorrect. I have proven you wrong. And yes of course that same token applies to UKIP . There WILL be racists within ukip just as their are racists within the Labour party and the Greens etc. My point is for every kilo of dirt you can chuck at UKIP I can chuck a ton at the other parties. You seem to lack the ability to crasp common sense. If the left think it's ok to smear UKIP and post nonsense about them without any evidence to back any of it up then I think quoting an ex Green party member that left the party due to anti semitism is fair game. If Huddy and his ilk can sit there and tell lies and half truths about UKIP then they have to accept that their own opinions will also be tackled. Just because someone hasn't openly made racist comments that doesn't mean that their actions and their agenda isn't a racist one. You can try and change my mind all you want but I will not give an inch because when I'm right I will stand by what I say no matter what and I am right and you are wrong. You have most definitely lost this argument Jesus wept. You've clearly stated you're 'chucking dirt' and using foul tactics because it's what Huddy and others on the left do it. You think it's not fair so you fight fire with fire and retaliate by 'chucking dirt' back and you feel justified in doing so. I'm not sure why you're failing to understand me but point I've made (and I think I've made it pretty clearly) is that it's not ok for any side to make claims that cannot be proven objectively. It's wrong to make the claim that UKIP are a racist party and its equally wrong to make the claim that the Green Party are anti-semitic. Go back and read what I've said. And it's 'grasp' not 'crasp'. Muhammed wept. You just don't get it do you. You make things up in your head and then try n pass it off as a debate. I said I could chuck dirt if I wanted to. I said for every kilo of dirt you can chuck at UKIP I can chuck a ton at the other parties . Typical lefty. When losing an argument pick up on a typo When you quote huddy and other leftys and tackle them for the same things that you accuse me of doing then I might value your opinion but until then I don't .
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2015 15:06:22 GMT
He's purposely left it for 4-5 days before replying to a question that I didn't even ask whilst avoiding the actual question. He obviously thinks it's a good tactic but he is wrong. He also thinks that Native American culture is worthy of saving but not British culture. He asks what British culture is not because he wants to know but so he can respond more more anti British speil. I could ask him what Native American culture is and then ridicule it just as he does with anything British but until he answers the original question put to him he won't be getting a reply to his question from me It's you that brought up American and Australian culture, not I. I'm asking you what you believe British culture to be in the hope that we could at least agree on something. The assumptions you make about me here are way off the mark. And what is "speil" ??
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 3, 2015 15:08:05 GMT
All this thread says to me is that Harry is a massive hypocrite!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2015 15:09:14 GMT
All this thread says to me is that Harry is a massive hypocrite! He's certainly tying himself up in knots!
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Post by crapslinger on May 3, 2015 15:10:13 GMT
All this thread says to me is that Harry is a massive hypocrite! How is Russia what is the weather like this time of year
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 15:10:42 GMT
Hypocrite . You call Abbots comments misguided but when it's a white person making similar comments you call them racist. I won't answer your question until you answer mine Put Abbott's comments into context behind centuries of abuse and racism which her race suffered from and I think her comments are misguided rather than racist. However I'm glad you're admitting to racism in the UKIP fold now. White people have suffered racism and oppression for years as well. The English oppressed the Scots for centuries so would that justify a Scot making xenophobic comments towards the English in 2015? No it wouldn't Romans took northern Europeans as slaves so does that make it ok if I make bigoted comments towards Italians? No it doesn't. White people have been hacked to death on farms in Zimbabwe by black nationalists does that mean I'm justified if I go off on a racist rant against black people? No I doesn't. Stop living in the past. Move on and get over yourself. And of course ukip have racists that attach themselves to the party. So do Labour and so do the Greens. The difference is you are quick to slate ukip for this but deny it's an issue for other parties. You are wrong
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 15:11:01 GMT
All this thread says to me is that Harry is a massive hypocrite! He's certainly tying himself up in knots! Kinky
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Post by edgepotter on May 3, 2015 15:11:18 GMT
Jesus wept. You've clearly stated you're 'chucking dirt' and using foul tactics because it's what Huddy and others on the left do it. You think it's not fair so you fight fire with fire and retaliate by 'chucking dirt' back and you feel justified in doing so. I'm not sure why you're failing to understand me but point I've made (and I think I've made it pretty clearly) is that it's not ok for any side to make claims that cannot be proven objectively. It's wrong to make the claim that UKIP are a racist party and its equally wrong to make the claim that the Green Party are anti-semitic. Go back and read what I've said. And it's 'grasp' not 'crasp'. Muhammed wept. You just don't get it do you. You make things up in your head and then try n pass it off as a debate. I said I could chuck dirt if I wanted to. I said for every kilo of dirt you can chuck at UKIP I can chuck a ton at the other parties . Typical lefty. When losing an argument pick up on a typo When you quote huddy and other leftys and tackle them for the same things that you accuse me of doing then I might value your opinion but until then I don't . Oh my lord. You are criticising others like Huddy of chucking dirt you are saying they are wrong to do so. And then you go and do the exact same thing yourself. Two wrongs don't make a right and you're a hypocrite by resorting to such tactics. Let's open it up to others, who's right me or Harry?
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Post by edgepotter on May 3, 2015 15:11:56 GMT
All this thread says to me is that Harry is a massive hypocrite! Thank you. I thought I was going insane.
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 15:12:22 GMT
He's purposely left it for 4-5 days before replying to a question that I didn't even ask whilst avoiding the actual question. He obviously thinks it's a good tactic but he is wrong. He also thinks that Native American culture is worthy of saving but not British culture. He asks what British culture is not because he wants to know but so he can respond more more anti British speil. I could ask him what Native American culture is and then ridicule it just as he does with anything British but until he answers the original question put to him he won't be getting a reply to his question from me It's you that brought up American and Australian culture, not I. I'm asking you what you believe British culture to be in the hope that we could at least agree on something. The assumptions you make about me here are way off the mark. And what is "speil" ?? Speil is what you spout. Answer my question and ill answer yours I brought up native American culture because it is relevant for comparison
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 15:14:44 GMT
Muhammed wept. You just don't get it do you. You make things up in your head and then try n pass it off as a debate. I said I could chuck dirt if I wanted to. I said for every kilo of dirt you can chuck at UKIP I can chuck a ton at the other parties . Typical lefty. When losing an argument pick up on a typo When you quote huddy and other leftys and tackle them for the same things that you accuse me of doing then I might value your opinion but until then I don't . Oh my lord. You are criticising others like Huddy of chucking dirt you are saying they are wrong to do so. And then you go and do the exact same thing yourself. Two wrongs don't make a right and you're a hypocrite by resorting to such tactics. Let's open it up to others, who's right me or Harry? Oh my allah Read what I said . Of course certain others will call me a hypocrite. I'm sure the likes of huddy and his ilk will think im a hypocrite. They are wrong. It is them and you who are hypocritical. It's quite sad that you need approval and validation from others though. It must be terrible to have no self confidence
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Post by stokeharry on May 3, 2015 15:15:03 GMT
All this thread says to me is that Harry is a massive hypocrite! Thank you. I thought I was going insane. You are
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