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Post by geoff321 on Mar 31, 2015 18:36:38 GMT
So Roy Hodgson bob with England beating Sweden 2-1, a country that we have very rarely beaten in the last 40 years, decides with 16 minutes left that he will throw on a player with the DELIBERATE intention of hanging him out to dry and therefore potentially risk losing the game.
I'm sorry mate but you and others suggesting this are living in a fantasy world.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 31, 2015 18:40:11 GMT
So Roy Hodgson bob with England beating Sweden 2-1, a country that we have very rarely beaten in the last 40 years, decides with 16 minutes left that he will throw on a player with the DELIBERATE intention of hanging him out to dry and therefore potentially risk losing the game. I'm sorry mate but you and others suggesting this are living in a fantasy world. There's only one fantasist on this thread Geoff.
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Post by butlerstbob on Mar 31, 2015 18:51:17 GMT
So for argument sake let's say you are right on that point and other was no agenda, why chuck him in at the deep end like that? I have never seen a central defender chucked in at the deep end like Ryan was on his DEBUT unless there was an injury of which I am sure there wasn't? why not start him in that game or give him another chance in another game? Two faced Roy has already said Harry Kane needs games to settle in, but when it comes to Ryan who many of people like ex footballers/comentators experts are still saying he should be given a chance, doesn't get a sniff? Ryan before his injury out performed any defender in the prem as the stats have proved yet he gets constantly ignored?
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Post by nik80 on Mar 31, 2015 19:05:06 GMT
So Roy Hodgson bob with England beating Sweden 2-1, a country that we have very rarely beaten in the last 40 years, decides with 16 minutes left that he will throw on a player with the DELIBERATE intention of hanging him out to dry and therefore potentially risk losing the game. I'm sorry mate but you and others suggesting this are living in a fantasy world. We were winning the game BUT we were most definitely not on top when Shawcross came on. Hodgson should have either given him the full 45 minutes or at that point let the lads who were already climatised to the match to ride it out. Or at the very, very least have the fucking gumption to take another look. How you can say he wasn't thrown to the lions in that match, at that time, I just don't know.
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Post by Plave on Mar 31, 2015 20:42:16 GMT
Not in a competitive match which is what matters So is this entire thread nonsense? He can't even play for Wales in a competitive match legally? Sorry no I meant because he hasn't played in a competitive match for England he can still play for Wales
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Mar 31, 2015 20:42:37 GMT
Zlatan has made world class defenders look like idiots on a regular basis. Very unfair from Roy to pick at Shawcross for what happened, plus the "senior defender" Gary Cahill should have picked up Zlatan rather than have Ryan do it. Another chance is what he deserves.
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 3, 2015 9:10:49 GMT
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Post by werrington on Apr 3, 2015 9:13:45 GMT
Dear god not this bollicks again
I wouldn't give a fuck if the entire Wales team were Stoke players 1-11 I would want England to batter them
Shallow beyond belief
And he who shall not be named should keep his nose out
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Post by Batfink on Apr 3, 2015 9:14:32 GMT
If Shawcross was sold to Man Utd, who would you want to win when we next play them?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 9:31:48 GMT
Don't get me started on that one. I'll have that manumasochist on my back again.
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Post by redstriper on Apr 3, 2015 9:40:57 GMT
I work in wales and holiday in wales so I'd enjoy it if he played for them - if they played England in a friendly I'd love it if he had harry kane in his pocket and wales kept a clan sheet - just to stick it to hodgson.
if it were a competitive match I'd hope he played well, but that England shaded it.
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 3, 2015 9:56:33 GMT
This article is from November 2014?
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 3, 2015 10:06:37 GMT
Think it makes sense for him to commit to Wales after the latest round of games. His England career is over, get the feeling Woy would go to the championship if injuries started to hit - rather than pick Shawcross.
Regarding supporting Wales, why would you not want to support them anyway - regardless of Shawcross. When you look at how Bale goes about his business in a quiet and unasuming manor, probably one of the most underrated players around and compare that to the over-hyped figure that captains England, I would have no problem cheering Wales on.
Rooney should never been allowed to pull an England shirt on again after his outburst in South Africa and I cant support the side while that twerp is in it, not to mention other players like Wiltshire, Terry, Walcott and Hart.
Come on you Wales
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Post by werrington on Apr 3, 2015 10:12:55 GMT
Think it makes sense for him to commit to Wales after the latest round of games. His England career is over, get the feeling Woy would go to the championship if injuries started to hit - rather than pick Shawcross. Regarding supporting Wales, why would you not want to support them anyway - regardless of Shawcross. When you look at how Bale goes about his business in a quiet and unasuming manor, probably one of the most underrated players around and compare that to the over-hyped figure that captains England, I would have no problem cheering Wales on. Rooney should never been allowed to pull an England shirt on again after his outburst in South Africa and I cant support the side while that twerp is in it, not to mention other players like Wiltshire, Terry, Walcott and Hart. Come on you Wales Cahil is unassuming ....I don't see what you are getting at tbh and if Bale was English do you think he'd be able to go about his business in a quiet unassuming manner ?... No you'd be all over him giving him the same treatment you've given to those above C'mon Wales ?......if you are English I'm embarrassed for you
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 3, 2015 10:31:14 GMT
Think it makes sense for him to commit to Wales after the latest round of games. His England career is over, get the feeling Woy would go to the championship if injuries started to hit - rather than pick Shawcross. Regarding supporting Wales, why would you not want to support them anyway - regardless of Shawcross. When you look at how Bale goes about his business in a quiet and unasuming manor, probably one of the most underrated players around and compare that to the over-hyped figure that captains England, I would have no problem cheering Wales on. Rooney should never been allowed to pull an England shirt on again after his outburst in South Africa and I cant support the side while that twerp is in it, not to mention other players like Wiltshire, Terry, Walcott and Hart. Come on you Wales Cahil is unassuming ....I don't see what you are getting at tbh and if Bale was English do you think he'd be able to go about his business in a quiet unassuming manner ?... No you'd be all over him giving him the same treatment you've given to those above C'mon Wales ?......if you are English I'm embarrassed for you I am English/British and support all of England national teams. However, I just cant cheer the likes of Rooney/Terry on. I can't even force myself - it's just how it is. When Rooney had a go at the 30,000 England supporters that had probably blown half their life savings going to watch him play in South Africa and questioned their support on camera, what did you think of him and what do you think should have been done?
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Post by Davef on Apr 3, 2015 10:33:11 GMT
Think it makes sense for him to commit to Wales after the latest round of games. His England career is over, get the feeling Woy would go to the championship if injuries started to hit - rather than pick Shawcross. Regarding supporting Wales, why would you not want to support them anyway - regardless of Shawcross. When you look at how Bale goes about his business in a quiet and unasuming manor, probably one of the most underrated players around and compare that to the over-hyped figure that captains England, I would have no problem cheering Wales on. Rooney should never been allowed to pull an England shirt on again after his outburst in South Africa and I cant support the side while that twerp is in it, not to mention other players like Wiltshire, Terry, Walcott and Hart. Come on you Wales He's English. Why would he want to commit to Wales? What has Wales got to do with anything?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 10:34:33 GMT
You can be called unpatriotic on here for not supporting them (England|) - but the last ten years or so, England have just lost me - completely- examples above just reinforce how I feel about them
and, I can see advantage for both Stoke City and Ryan by adopting the alternative I suggested which, I still think is perfectly viable and, probably the best way to go for our club
and as importantly - our captain .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 10:38:31 GMT
Dave F I beleive his parents or at least one is welsh - he might have been born in Chester but he grew up, went to school and played his football over the border and, very definitely in Wales
hes as Welsh as Mark Hughes -for sure (who grew up nearby Buckley (in Ruabon)
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 3, 2015 10:38:56 GMT
Think it makes sense for him to commit to Wales after the latest round of games. His England career is over, get the feeling Woy would go to the championship if injuries started to hit - rather than pick Shawcross. Regarding supporting Wales, why would you not want to support them anyway - regardless of Shawcross. When you look at how Bale goes about his business in a quiet and unasuming manor, probably one of the most underrated players around and compare that to the over-hyped figure that captains England, I would have no problem cheering Wales on. Rooney should never been allowed to pull an England shirt on again after his outburst in South Africa and I cant support the side while that twerp is in it, not to mention other players like Wiltshire, Terry, Walcott and Hart. Come on you Wales He's English. Why would he want to commit to Wales? What has Wales got to do with anything? It's a chance to play and experience international football and pit himself against the best in the world. Lot's of players, rightly or wrongly, do this. And also a chance to play with some genuine world class players that he would not of got if he played for England
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Post by Davef on Apr 3, 2015 10:44:00 GMT
Neither of Ryan's parents are Welsh. The only reason he could play for Wales is because he was educated in the country for five years.
He's already rejected an offer to play for them though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 10:46:16 GMT
So he can play for wales then ?
err umm OK
my point stands - If I were him I would
but I'm not apparently - that was crucially pointed out sometime ago - vital piece of insight was that
And more to the point - playing for Wales would satisfy any ache he has for playing at international level WITHOUT ---- having to leave us !
or so it would seem
Some common sense in that surely to god ?????????????????????????????????????????//
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Post by werrington on Apr 3, 2015 10:48:07 GMT
He's English. Why would he want to commit to Wales? What has Wales got to do with anything? It's a chance to play and experience international football and pit himself against the best in the world. Lot's of players, rightly or wrongly, do this. And also a chance to play with some genuine world class players that he would not of got if he played for England If you mean Wales when did they have genuine world class players ? ( maybe Bale ) If you mean against them what are Aguero, Costa etc etc and any others who he plays against week in week out ?
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 3, 2015 10:59:30 GMT
It's a chance to play and experience international football and pit himself against the best in the world. Lot's of players, rightly or wrongly, do this. And also a chance to play with some genuine world class players that he would not of got if he played for England If you mean Wales when did they have genuine world class players ? ( maybe Bale ) If you mean against them what are Aguero, Costa etc etc and any others who he plays against week in week out ? Granted Aguero and Costa are world class players, but they are no Messi or Ronaldo. it must be every players dream to play international football - surely? I think Bale & Ramsey(sorry) are both world class players, better than anything we currently have or have had for a long time. Both players I would pay to go and watch. England have no such inspirational players at present, players that can turn a game in a second. Sadly Gazza was probably the last English player in this category.
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Post by werrington on Apr 3, 2015 11:13:25 GMT
If you mean Wales when did they have genuine world class players ? ( maybe Bale ) If you mean against them what are Aguero, Costa etc etc and any others who he plays against week in week out ? Granted Aguero and Costa are world class players, but they are no Messi or Ronaldo. it must be every players dream to play international football - surely? I think Bale & Ramsey(sorry) are both world class players, better than anything we currently have or have had for a long time. Both players I would pay to go and watch. England have no such inspirational players at present, players that can turn a game in a second. Sadly Gazza was probably the last English player in this category. Sorry BR I'm just not getting your argument here There's hardly any chance if him playing against Messi at international level And I'll say it again ....if Bale or Ramsey etc were English they'd be lumped into the same bracket as Rooney Wilshire etc by yourself and many others on here What have Clyne Gibbs, Kane etc etc done to deserve all the shit they get on here .....they aren't Terry Cole etc but they get lumped in with them
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 3, 2015 11:35:54 GMT
Granted Aguero and Costa are world class players, but they are no Messi or Ronaldo. it must be every players dream to play international football - surely? I think Bale & Ramsey(sorry) are both world class players, better than anything we currently have or have had for a long time. Both players I would pay to go and watch. England have no such inspirational players at present, players that can turn a game in a second. Sadly Gazza was probably the last English player in this category. Sorry BR I'm just not getting your argument here There's hardly any chance if him playing against Messi at international level And I'll say it again ....if Bale or Ramsey etc were English they'd be lumped into the same bracket as Rooney Wilshire etc by yourself and many others on here What have Clyne Gibbs, Kane etc etc done to deserve all the shit they get on here .....they aren't Terry Cole etc but they get lumped in with them If Bale and Ramsey played for England and were lumped into the world class bracket by me and others, then they would probably deserve it - because they are excellent players, everybody jizzed over Gazza and rightly so. Rooney is lauded as the 2nd coming by some England supporters/press - when at best he is a good international player(when he turns up). He has struggled at times for both club and country to even get into his favourite position. The FA should have grown a pair after South Africa and at least banned him for a length of time. You are right though, there does seem to be a good crop characters coming through the English ranks and hopefully that can continue, until then there are just too many characters that I cant associate with at the present time and like many others have definitely fallen out of love with our national team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 11:57:33 GMT
Think it makes sense for him to commit to Wales after the latest round of games. His England career is over, get the feeling Woy would go to the championship if injuries started to hit - rather than pick Shawcross. Regarding supporting Wales, why would you not want to support them anyway - regardless of Shawcross. When you look at how Bale goes about his business in a quiet and unasuming manor, probably one of the most underrated players around and compare that to the over-hyped figure that captains England, I would have no problem cheering Wales on. Rooney should never been allowed to pull an England shirt on again after his outburst in South Africa and I cant support the side while that twerp is in it, not to mention other players like Wiltshire, Terry, Walcott and Hart. Come on you Wales He's English. Why would he want to commit to Wales? What has Wales got to do with anything? I just dont get this wales stuff, dont folk get it he's an English man not welsh and wants to play for HIS Country there is NO debate. Would I fuck play for another Country and neither will he.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Apr 3, 2015 13:30:13 GMT
The problem with all this country/patriotic shit is we are all the product of folks from other countries somewhere down the line. I am English, but my grandparents were Welsh. If Ryan played for Wales I would say good bloody luck to him and want the best for him. Let's face it, Woy (what a daft twat that man is) will never play him and the current England set up is a total joke. I echo the words above, I have lost interest in England over the years, when it matters we fail time and time again and then Rooney has the gall to have a go at the fans in South Africa, you couldn't make it up.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Apr 3, 2015 14:03:51 GMT
He wouldn't be first choice for Wales either
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Post by Davef on Apr 3, 2015 16:33:26 GMT
He wouldn't be first choice for Wales either Pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 16:35:11 GMT
He wouldn't be first choice for Wales either He'd walk into their side mate. He's hands down better than Williams and Collins.
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