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Post by southcarolinastokie on Apr 10, 2015 15:54:47 GMT
I'd argue with signing Wolly and getting him regular games, which he has only had with us this season will be a good purchase. I'd love Micah Richards, Bardsley is toss and GC doesn't like being RB. Hopefully Sergi Roberto could be persuaded as a Whelan replacement. Any from Yarmolenko, Moses, Deloufeu and Matt Phillips would be lovely, and either Hernandez, Austin or Ings up top. Maybe a bit pie in the sky I know but we are becoming a club on the up, plus the likes of Bojan, Muniesa and Diouf are giving us some street cred in the wider world. I massively disagree about Wolly, I haven't seen a game yet where he hasn't got done by someone, I just don't think he suits this league/he's good enough, Micah Richards I'd completely agree with, but with pretty much all your options (and most other peoples) there would be bigger clubs and bigger wages elsewhere with maybe a much better chance of european football, which is why I can't see it happening, putting aside that the Club (whoever) don't want to spend the money. Edit, I'm not quite sure how Diouf is giving us street cred (or Muni for that matter)? Regardless of how I think he's done here? *Cameron is also toss.Disagree about Cameron, and that is not just because I'm in America, I like him. One thing the TV revenue is going to give us is the capital to match a lot of the European competition clubs in Europe. One thing is that we can offer first team football to those who would improve us rather than becoming a squad player at the bigger clubs. We need the Barca connection in swing this summer and Bojan and Muni can be our bridge to some of these players. Despite my misgivings about Diouf, he hasn't done badly from midfield and hopefully other players in Germany can see he's done well and that may give us the street cred in Germany we have been lacking in the past few years. You only had to hear what Shaquiri said despite not coming to us, had Inter not come in for him, I reckon he would have come to us. Things like these will all be in play once Summer comes
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 16:34:04 GMT
I can understand the reluctance to spend big, given how much has been wasted in the past. No matter how many times this fallacy is repeated it doesn't make it true. Would you consider Palacios fee and wages well spent? And Arismendi? Spares? Tonge? Davies?
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 10, 2015 17:21:56 GMT
No matter how many times this fallacy is repeated it doesn't make it true. Would you consider Palacios fee and wages well spent? And Arismendi? Spares? Tonge? Davies? Brek Shea Kitson Collins Eidur Juan Agudelo? Juan isn't fair to include I guess, but I'm sure there are others. Money has been wasted no sane supporter can argue that. A lot of money....
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Post by slpmarc on Apr 10, 2015 17:25:52 GMT
Just wanted to add a point here, bare with me. A friend of mine was dating a guy in Italy who ran a small hotel. He also watched and compiled information on players in the lower Italian and Slovenian leagues, and sold that information to West Brom and Celtic, among others. I know this as I have seen the corrospondance from the clubs, as she helped him with his English translating. So I would imagine Stoke employ people all over the world like West Brom apparently are. It makes sense to secure the services of an independent guy like this, and get exclusive info on bourgeoning players. He is not a scout specifically for West Brom, just sells them the info I guess. Just thought I would weigh in. The platform stoke use is Wyscout we get all the info we need for any player we want to watch any where at any time, then we ourselves watch the ones we like the most
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 17:28:28 GMT
Just wanted to add a point here, bare with me. A friend of mine was dating a guy in Italy who ran a small hotel. He also watched and compiled information on players in the lower Italian and Slovenian leagues, and sold that information to West Brom and Celtic, among others. I know this as I have seen the corrospondance from the clubs, as she helped him with his English translating. So I would imagine Stoke employ people all over the world like West Brom apparently are. It makes sense to secure the services of an independent guy like this, and get exclusive info on bourgeoning players. He is not a scout specifically for West Brom, just sells them the info I guess. Just thought I would weigh in. The platform stoke use is Wyscout we get all the info we need for any player we want to watch any where at any time, then we ourselves watch the ones we like the most What is the Wyscout format? Is it mainly video footage or is it heavily backed with stats a la Prozone?
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 10, 2015 17:30:17 GMT
Just wanted to add a point here, bare with me. A friend of mine was dating a guy in Italy who ran a small hotel. He also watched and compiled information on players in the lower Italian and Slovenian leagues, and sold that information to West Brom and Celtic, among others. I know this as I have seen the corrospondance from the clubs, as she helped him with his English translating. So I would imagine Stoke employ people all over the world like West Brom apparently are. It makes sense to secure the services of an independent guy like this, and get exclusive info on bourgeoning players. He is not a scout specifically for West Brom, just sells them the info I guess. Just thought I would weigh in. The platform stoke use is Wyscout we get all the info we need for any player we want to watch any where at any time, then we ourselves watch the ones we like the most Is that a computer program? I think that guy used some sort of program to upload information. I thought it was interesting what this guy did anyway...
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 10, 2015 17:30:19 GMT
The platform stoke use is Wyscout we get all the info we need for any player we want to watch any where at any time, then we ourselves watch the ones we like the most What is the Wyscout format? Is it mainly video footage or is it heavily backed with stats a la Prozone? Both I think. www.wyscout.com
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 17:32:09 GMT
What is the Wyscout format? Is it mainly video footage or is it heavily backed with stats a la Prozone? Both I think. www.wyscout.comCheers. Crikey. 39 Euro's a month for the software ? Move over Carto. I'll juggle that software for 15 quid an hour.
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 10, 2015 17:34:54 GMT
Cheers. Crikey. 39 Euro's a month for the software ? Move over Carto. I'll juggle that software for 15 quid an hour. I still can't figure out how this Italian guy actually makes money at this? He drives all over the country to do this. Maybe a percentage if a player signs?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 10, 2015 17:38:17 GMT
I can understand the reluctance to spend big, given how much has been wasted in the past. No matter how many times this fallacy is repeated it doesn't make it true. Such a fallacy that the entire structure of the club was changed to address it.
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Post by wuzza on Apr 10, 2015 17:42:50 GMT
It is a total fallacy - all clubs have failed signings and more importantly I bet if the owners were told it would cost them however much they spent to stay in this leagues (with all its revenue streams) for as long as they have they would have said ta very much!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 17:59:40 GMT
Cheers. Crikey. 39 Euro's a month for the software ? Move over Carto. I'll juggle that software for 15 quid an hour. I still can't figure out how this Italian guy actually makes money at this? He drives all over the country to do this. Maybe a percentage if a player signs? Could just charge a flat fee for reports if he's good.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 10, 2015 18:01:06 GMT
It is a total fallacy - all clubs have failed signings and more importantly I bet if the owners were told it would cost them however much they spent to stay in this leagues (with all its revenue streams) for as long as they have they would have said ta very much! If it's a fallacy why was Carto brought in and why did they change manager? And why hasn't the new manager spent what the last one did?
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 10, 2015 18:23:33 GMT
It is a total fallacy - all clubs have failed signings and more importantly I bet if the owners were told it would cost them however much they spent to stay in this leagues (with all its revenue streams) for as long as they have they would have said ta very much! If it's a fallacy why was Carto brought in and why did they change manager? And why hasn't the new manager spent what the last one did? This fallacy of this not being a fallacy is a complete fallacy.
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Post by slpmarc on Apr 10, 2015 18:27:26 GMT
It is a total fallacy - all clubs have failed signings and more importantly I bet if the owners were told it would cost them however much they spent to stay in this leagues (with all its revenue streams) for as long as they have they would have said ta very much! If it's a fallacy why was Carto brought in and why did they change manager? And why hasn't the new manager spent what the last one did? Carts was brought in because TS could no longer work with TP, and the fact the club were unimpressed with the scouting techniques TP employed. TP was told he needed a go between him and TS and TS decision is now final, no going crying above his head as in the past. TP agreed but wanted to employ the technical director himself, that's why he brought in Carts as he knew him through beswicks and his son being on there books. Carts also had a wide array of contacts throughout the world being one of the first people to use Wyscout when it was originally founded. We all now we TP went in the end, his style if play was dire to watch and was making it difficult to attract players to the club
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 10, 2015 18:35:17 GMT
If it's a fallacy why was Carto brought in and why did they change manager? And why hasn't the new manager spent what the last one did? Carts was brought in because TS could no longer work with TP, and the fact the club were unimpressed with the scouting techniques TP employed. TP was told he needed a go between him and TS and TS decision is now final, no going crying above his head as in the past. TP agreed but wanted to employ the technical director himself, that's why he brought in Carts as he knew him through beswicks and his son being on there books. Carts also had a wide array of contacts throughout the world being one of the first people to use Wyscout when it was originally founded. We all now we TP went in the end, his style if play was dire to watch and was making it difficult to attract players to the club Thanks for all the info today man, learned a bunch about the club I didn't know today.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 10, 2015 18:37:00 GMT
If it's a fallacy why was Carto brought in and why did they change manager? And why hasn't the new manager spent what the last one did? Carts was brought in because TS could no longer work with TP, and the fact the club were unimpressed with the scouting techniques TP employed. TP was told he needed a go between him and TS and TS decision is now final, no going crying above his head as in the past. TP agreed but wanted to employ the technical director himself, that's why he brought in Carts as he knew him through beswicks and his son being on there books. Carts also had a wide array of contacts throughout the world being one of the first people to use Wyscout when it was originally founded. We all now we TP went in the end, his style if play was dire to watch and was making it difficult to attract players to the club Yep - the club weren't happy with the recruitment policy - hence the change in structure. The style of play by itself wasn't the issue. If we'd been comfortably mid-table, results still decent with the right players in his system he'd probably still be here now. His card was marked from the moment the club decided he needed a 'go-between'.
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 10, 2015 18:59:16 GMT
Carts was brought in because TS could no longer work with TP, and the fact the club were unimpressed with the scouting techniques TP employed. TP was told he needed a go between him and TS and TS decision is now final, no going crying above his head as in the past. TP agreed but wanted to employ the technical director himself, that's why he brought in Carts as he knew him through beswicks and his son being on there books. Carts also had a wide array of contacts throughout the world being one of the first people to use Wyscout when it was originally founded. We all now we TP went in the end, his style if play was dire to watch and was making it difficult to attract players to the club Yep - the club weren't happy with the recruitment policy - hence the change in structure. The style of play by itself wasn't the issue. If we'd been comfortably mid-table, results still decent with the right players in his system he'd probably still be here now. His card was marked from the moment the club decided he needed a 'go-between'. I can imagine TP was pretty stubborn man as well to work with. Didn't know Carto was his appointment though, seems odd to me.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Apr 10, 2015 19:02:17 GMT
What exactly does Cartwright do? And on that point, what exactly does Scholes do?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 10, 2015 19:04:23 GMT
Yep - the club weren't happy with the recruitment policy - hence the change in structure. The style of play by itself wasn't the issue. If we'd been comfortably mid-table, results still decent with the right players in his system he'd probably still be here now. His card was marked from the moment the club decided he needed a 'go-between'. I can imagine TP was pretty stubborn man as well to work with. Didn't know Carto was his appointment though, seems odd to me. Yep, very much in the vein of 'if I must, he'll do.'
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 10, 2015 19:05:03 GMT
What exactly does Cartwright do? Now that's another can of worms altogether...
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 10, 2015 19:11:32 GMT
What exactly does Cartwright do? Now that's another can of worms altogether... I guess he uses that wyscout software to identify players who: A- fit the managers requirements in terms of position B- fit the budget in terms of monies TS has set aside for fees C- orders the pizza
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Apr 10, 2015 19:15:08 GMT
Now that's another can of worms altogether... I guess he uses that wyscout software to identify players who: A- fit the managers requirements in terms of position B- fit the budget in terms of monies TS has set aside for fees C- orders the pizza Is his contract up in the summer?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 19:23:35 GMT
If it's a fallacy why was Carto brought in and why did they change manager? And why hasn't the new manager spent what the last one did? Carts was brought in because TS could no longer work with TP, and the fact the club were unimpressed with the scouting techniques TP employed. TP was told he needed a go between him and TS and TS decision is now final, no going crying above his head as in the past. TP agreed but wanted to employ the technical director himself, that's why he brought in Carts as he knew him through beswicks and his son being on there books. Carts also had a wide array of contacts throughout the world being one of the first people to use Wyscout when it was originally founded. We all now we TP went in the end, his style if play was dire to watch and was making it difficult to attract players to the club How is the TS MC axis if MC was a Pulis man?
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 10, 2015 19:24:28 GMT
I guess he uses that wyscout software to identify players who: A- fit the managers requirements in terms of position B- fit the budget in terms of monies TS has set aside for fees C- orders the pizza Is his contract up in the summer? No idea man, but I do think its odd he was Tony's man and is still here. Surely Mark and Scholes get along? Palacios makeweight deal is what ended TP and TS relations
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Apr 10, 2015 19:28:45 GMT
Is his contract up in the summer? No idea man, but I do think its odd he was Tony's man and is still here. Surely Mark and Scholes get along? Palacios makeweight deal is what ended TP and TS relations Absolutely. You will still get folk on here saying it didn't happen though.
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Post by slpmarc on Apr 10, 2015 21:00:35 GMT
Carts was brought in because TS could no longer work with TP, and the fact the club were unimpressed with the scouting techniques TP employed. TP was told he needed a go between him and TS and TS decision is now final, no going crying above his head as in the past. TP agreed but wanted to employ the technical director himself, that's why he brought in Carts as he knew him through beswicks and his son being on there books. Carts also had a wide array of contacts throughout the world being one of the first people to use Wyscout when it was originally founded. We all now we TP went in the end, his style if play was dire to watch and was making it difficult to attract players to the club How is the TS MC axis if MC was a Pulis man? MC was not a Pulis man, but TP knew of him and had dealt with him in the past so was not an alien coming into his environment. MC and TS get on and also have had dealings with him being a football agent prior.
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Post by slpmarc on Apr 10, 2015 21:02:12 GMT
Yep - the club weren't happy with the recruitment policy - hence the change in structure. The style of play by itself wasn't the issue. If we'd been comfortably mid-table, results still decent with the right players in his system he'd probably still be here now. His card was marked from the moment the club decided he needed a 'go-between'. I can imagine TP was pretty stubborn man as well to work with. Didn't know Carto was his appointment though, seems odd to me. Was told a technical director was been employed, TP said only if I can pick
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 21:05:08 GMT
How is the TS MC axis if MC was a Pulis man? MC was not a Pulis man, but TP knew of him and had dealt with him in the past so was not an alien coming into his environment. MC and TS get on and also have had dealings with him being a football agent prior. Cheers.
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 10, 2015 21:08:49 GMT
I can imagine TP was pretty stubborn man as well to work with. Didn't know Carto was his appointment though, seems odd to me. Was told a technical director was been employed, TP said only if I can pick Who is in charge of actively trying to sell players no longer needed? Or do we just wait for the phone to ring?
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