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Post by nutterpotter on Apr 10, 2015 9:18:08 GMT
linkIt's fair to say we've done ok. We're probably the lowest spenders in the windows since I've come here. It's not a huge amount but we've done good business. We've got good players here. That can't be a strategy moving forward. At some point you have to invest. You make a decision as players move on or come to the end of their contracts. If we want to continue to get better and be a continually successful side in the top 10 that costs money. The Coates family understands that. We've been close to big targets that we haven't got over the but I've been assured that if it got to the point a cheque had to be signed it would have been. I'm very comfortable and confident if we had an opportunity to bring a top player here the means to do it would be made available. This summer is going to be a big one! Can't wait!
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Post by upthefud on Apr 10, 2015 9:30:32 GMT
Hope those who are giving the board shit hold their hands up and apologise
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Apr 10, 2015 9:34:28 GMT
Sounds as though if the right players are available then he has the green light to go and get them. It's very pleasing to hear, I think next season could be quite special.
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Post by stokemanusa on Apr 10, 2015 9:35:21 GMT
Tore, Herrmann, any £10 mil winger, cf or cm in please!!! Nordtveit looks like a decent prospect at 6 mil euros this summer, was a free transfer from Arsenal u21 academy, went from 1 mil to 8mil euros at Borussia MG...
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 10, 2015 9:41:23 GMT
Hope those who are giving the board shit hold their hands up and apologise The proof will be in the pudding ultimately Fudders. We clearly couldn't go on with the transfer policy the way it was and had to shop smarter - that was the intention with the change in structure (and management in the end) Hughes by and large has shown he can do that - now he's earned the right to show what we can do with some proper backing.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 10, 2015 9:45:41 GMT
Hope those who are giving the board shit hold their hands up and apologise The apples not dropping line just wont wash this summer though. It's great news that money is available but we also have to get our business over the line.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 10, 2015 9:46:25 GMT
Tore, Herrmann, any £10 mil winger, cf or cm in please!!! Nordtveit looks like a decent prospect at 6 mil euros this summer, was a free transfer from Arsenal u21 academy, went from 1 mil to 8mil euros at Borussia MG... But he plays for a team currently 3rd in the German Bundesliga.. we might be spending more money this summer but we aren't going to be getting players from those kind of teams (unless they're out of favour)
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Apr 10, 2015 9:47:20 GMT
Hope we aren't going to put an extra £3-4m on the price of every player we go after by announcing we're going to spend big!
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Post by stokemanusa on Apr 10, 2015 9:51:21 GMT
Tore, Herrmann, any £10 mil winger, cf or cm in please!!! Nordtveit looks like a decent prospect at 6 mil euros this summer, was a free transfer from Arsenal u21 academy, went from 1 mil to 8mil euros at Borussia MG... But he plays for a team currently 3rd in the German Bundesliga.. we might be spending more money this summer but we aren't going to be getting players from those kind of teams (unless they're out of favour) If they end up spending as they have a surplus atm and attempt to keep Cristoph Kramer and Patrick Herrmann's form continues (as he was offered a new contract to 2019 this month...) Nordtviet hasn't had talks yet and could be tempted. His contract is out in the summer 2016.... everyone else has had an extension and early... He's fallen on the pecking order and we well could end up getting a player like that easily...
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 10, 2015 9:52:35 GMT
Hope those who are giving the board shit hold their hands up and apologise
It's all pointless rhetoric. It's all well and good money being available but you have to get the deals done. Is the extra money available for wages that will be needed to persuade 'top players' to come to Stoke City? Have we got the nous and the negotiating skills to get these deals over the line? What happens when we compete with other clubs for the signature of a player?
Continued failure in the transfer market will see Mark Hughes on his way.
I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 10, 2015 9:57:20 GMT
But he plays for a team currently 3rd in the German Bundesliga.. we might be spending more money this summer but we aren't going to be getting players from those kind of teams (unless they're out of favour) If they end up spending as they have a surplus atm and attempt to keep Cristoph Kramer and Patrick Herrmann's form continues (as he was offered a new contract to 2019 this month...) Nordtviet hasn't had talks yet and could be tempted. His contract is out in the summer 2016.... everyone else has had an extension and early... He's fallen on the pecking order and we well could end up getting a player like that easily... If that's the case then maybe he could be one to target, can't say I've taken much interest in contract negotiations that don't involve Stoke City
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Post by stokemanusa on Apr 10, 2015 10:01:18 GMT
If they end up spending as they have a surplus atm and attempt to keep Cristoph Kramer and Patrick Herrmann's form continues (as he was offered a new contract to 2019 this month...) Nordtviet hasn't had talks yet and could be tempted. His contract is out in the summer 2016.... everyone else has had an extension and early... He's fallen on the pecking order and we well could end up getting a player like that easily... If that's the case then maybe he could be one to target, can't say I've taken much interest in contract negotiations that don't involve Stoke City I keep up on the German clubs that traditionally are selling clubs, but Borussia MG has always been the German club I've followed. They are fastly becoming the new Dortmund with acquiring very good inexpensive and or free transfers then developing them and selling them on. They play this weekend versus Dortmund for the CL spots... Should be a good one to see.
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Post by upthefud on Apr 10, 2015 10:10:01 GMT
These quotes coming just after Hughes has signed a new deal means everything is rosy in my opinion. Keep the faith in one if the best chairman this club has had
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Post by that's our Ric on Apr 10, 2015 10:18:57 GMT
Sounds as though if the right players are available then he has the green light to go and get them. It's very pleasing to hear, I think next season could be quite special. I hope so mate..I'm back as a season ticket holder
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 10, 2015 10:18:59 GMT
Hope those who are giving the board shit hold their hands up and apologise
It's all pointless rhetoric. It's all well and good money being available but you have to get the deals done. Is the extra money available for wages that will be needed to persuade 'top players' to come to Stoke City? Have we got the nous and the negotiating skills to get these deals over the line? What happens when we compete with other clubs for the signature of a player?
Continued failure in the transfer market will see Mark Hughes on his way.
I'll believe it when I see it.
For all that Hughes has done a brilliant job, managers will come and go. The club's main job is to make sure our finances are in order, to make us a long-term financially sustainable club. If that is with Hughes then fantastic, but we should not be spending money we can't afford just to keep the manager happy. There's a fine line between over-investment, which puts our future in jeopardy, and under-funding that would see us out of the Premiershit, which would also jeopardise our future. The board has to find a way to walk that line. The way forward is to invest when is fit, and when a real good deal can be struck for a player. A good deal could be £500k or £10m.
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Post by jeycov on Apr 10, 2015 10:29:59 GMT
A plus is that MH will be ready to do business from the beginning of the transfer window. Sounds like he won't have to sell.
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Post by stokiejoe on Apr 10, 2015 10:33:14 GMT
From what he says I am sure that whether a player is worth the asking price is down to Hughes. I appreciate that others actually get the deal signed but would be surprised if he wasn't consulted at each stage.
Looks good for the summer but can't see him spending for the sake of it, only if players he wants are available. Sensible policy.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 10, 2015 10:43:28 GMT
"Any 10 mil winger"
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 10, 2015 10:59:43 GMT
It's all pointless rhetoric. It's all well and good money being available but you have to get the deals done. Is the extra money available for wages that will be needed to persuade 'top players' to come to Stoke City? Have we got the nous and the negotiating skills to get these deals over the line? What happens when we compete with other clubs for the signature of a player?
Continued failure in the transfer market will see Mark Hughes on his way.
I'll believe it when I see it.
For all that Hughes has done a brilliant job, managers will come and go. The club's main job is to make sure our finances are in order, to make us a long-term financially sustainable club. If that is with Hughes then fantastic, but we should not be spending money we can't afford just to keep the manager happy. There's a fine line between over-investment, which puts our future in jeopardy, and under-funding that would see us out of the Premiershit, which would also jeopardise our future. The board has to find a way to walk that line. The way forward is to invest when is fit, and when a real good deal can be struck for a player. A good deal could be £500k or £10m.
You obviously haven't got my point.
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Post by slpmarc on Apr 10, 2015 11:24:39 GMT
A plus is that MH will be ready to do business from the beginning of the transfer window. Sounds like he won't have to sell. Stoke have no intention of selling anyone, unless bego does not agree to extension as it leaves the club in a situation where we could loose out on millions of pounds
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Apr 10, 2015 12:01:55 GMT
Sounds as though if the right players are available then he has the green light to go and get them. It's very pleasing to hear, I think next season could be quite special. I hope so mate..I'm back as a season ticket holder Me too mate. Fair play to you mate, my two younger brothers have pestered me to get them one which I've now done.
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Apr 10, 2015 12:24:13 GMT
Hopefully if there is cash to spend like Hughes says, we won't go and spunk it up the wall on a plethora of signings that we don't need. Decent money for about 3 or 4 key positions should do us nicely, namely a RB, Winger, CM and ST
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 10, 2015 12:43:01 GMT
Hopefully if there is cash to spend like Hughes says, we won't go and spunk it up the wall on a plethora of signings that we don't need. Decent money for about 3 or 4 key positions should do us nicely, namely a RB, Winger, CM and ST In reality we need quite a bit if we want to "push on", personally I'm not convinced we can do much better than 8th, but anyway: CB, as good as or better than Shawcross. RB, obviously, as we only have one. DM/CM, Whelan replacement. RW and LW, we don't have much of either. Striker, the ones we have aren't going to score enough goals.
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Apr 10, 2015 14:11:36 GMT
Hopefully if there is cash to spend like Hughes says, we won't go and spunk it up the wall on a plethora of signings that we don't need. Decent money for about 3 or 4 key positions should do us nicely, namely a RB, Winger, CM and ST In reality we need quite a bit if we want to "push on", personally I'm not convinced we can do much better than 8th, but anyway: CB, as good as or better than Shawcross. RB, obviously, as we only have one. DM/CM, Whelan replacement. RW and LW, we don't have much of either. Striker, the ones we have aren't going to score enough goals. I'd argue with signing Wolly and getting him regular games, which he has only had with us this season will be a good purchase. I'd love Micah Richards, Bardsley is toss and GC doesn't like being RB. Hopefully Sergi Roberto could be persuaded as a Whelan replacement. Any from Yarmolenko, Moses, Deloufeu and Matt Phillips would be lovely, and either Hernandez, Austin or Ings up top. Maybe a bit pie in the sky I know but we are becoming a club on the up, plus the likes of Bojan, Muniesa and Diouf are giving us some street cred in the wider world.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 10, 2015 14:19:46 GMT
Thing is though we consider 10m to be a BIG BIG signing. but giving the new revenue levels coming in 2017 we might be looking at 15m-20m being the new going price for a recognised Premier League quality player.
10m might not get us much anymore
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 10, 2015 15:16:34 GMT
I reckon the Icelanders would've spent money.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 10, 2015 15:26:17 GMT
In reality we need quite a bit if we want to "push on", personally I'm not convinced we can do much better than 8th, but anyway: CB, as good as or better than Shawcross. RB, obviously, as we only have one. DM/CM, Whelan replacement. RW and LW, we don't have much of either. Striker, the ones we have aren't going to score enough goals. I'd argue with signing Wolly and getting him regular games, which he has only had with us this season will be a good purchase. I'd love Micah Richards, Bardsley is toss and GC doesn't like being RB. Hopefully Sergi Roberto could be persuaded as a Whelan replacement. Any from Yarmolenko, Moses, Deloufeu and Matt Phillips would be lovely, and either Hernandez, Austin or Ings up top. Maybe a bit pie in the sky I know but we are becoming a club on the up, plus the likes of Bojan, Muniesa and Diouf are giving us some street cred in the wider world. I massively disagree about Wolly, I haven't seen a game yet where he hasn't got done by someone, I just don't think he suits this league/he's good enough, Micah Richards I'd completely agree with, but with pretty much all your options (and most other peoples) there would be bigger clubs and bigger wages elsewhere with maybe a much better chance of european football, which is why I can't see it happening, putting aside that the Club (whoever) don't want to spend the money. Edit, I'm not quite sure how Diouf is giving us street cred (or Muni for that matter)? Regardless of how I think he's done here? *Cameron is also toss.
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 10, 2015 15:39:13 GMT
I can understand the reluctance to spend big, given how much has been wasted in the past. No matter how many times this fallacy is repeated it doesn't make it true.
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 10, 2015 15:49:41 GMT
You really believe we are scouting the "wide world of football"? Why wouldn't we be? Just wanted to add a point here, bare with me. A friend of mine was dating a guy in Italy who ran a small hotel. He also watched and compiled information on players in the lower Italian and Slovenian leagues, and sold that information to West Brom and Celtic, among others. I know this as I have seen the corrospondance from the clubs, as she helped him with his English translating. So I would imagine Stoke employ people all over the world like West Brom apparently are. It makes sense to secure the services of an independent guy like this, and get exclusive info on bourgeoning players. He is not a scout specifically for West Brom, just sells them the info I guess. Just thought I would weigh in.
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 10, 2015 15:52:58 GMT
linkIt's fair to say we've done ok. We're probably the lowest spenders in the windows since I've come here. It's not a huge amount but we've done good business. We've got good players here. That can't be a strategy moving forward. At some point you have to invest. You make a decision as players move on or come to the end of their contracts. If we want to continue to get better and be a continually successful side in the top 10 that costs money. The Coates family understands that. We've been close to big targets that we haven't got over the but I've been assured that if it got to the point a cheque had to be signed it would have been. I'm very comfortable and confident if we had an opportunity to bring a top player here the means to do it would be made available. It's true that Mark and the backroom staff have done some great business, but the figure of £6M that's been quoted doesn't tell the whole story. He's been able to select a £9M winger all season (which is what Chelsea paid for Moses) and the Odemwingie / Kenwynne swap involved two players both valued at around £2.5M. But it's now time for the Board to back him with some serious money. My shopping list would be for a right-back, a centre-back (not convinced about Wollscheid), a replacement for Whelan, a quick right-winger (two wingers if Moses doesn't sign permanently) and a goal scorer.
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