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Post by kinetic on Mar 26, 2015 10:37:05 GMT
Fuck the left. Theyre just apologists for all the scum who are turning this country into an unpleasant place to live. Can't do it by the democratic process and have to get a fucking mob together to cause trouble. Wankers the lot of them. See that's exactly how I feel about the Right - thankfully we both have the chance to say so But seriously, it's a LONG time since we had fighting left wing mobs on the streets, no? Like a generation ago. Whereas right wing rioters have been pretty regular events... the only socialists making any noise locally ran a great community campaign to save Fenton Town Hall, and peacefully failed to stop the Civic Offices leaving Stoke town centre. I'd hardly call those fucking mobs full of wankers - honestly would you? Really ? EDL Rally in Dudley a mth ago 30 arrested the Birmingham Mail reports it as 30 arrests at EDL rally the EDL put a freedom of information request guess what only 3 of them arrests were EDL members ?? All the rest the violent left. Don't believe the headlines. Every St Georges day here is Brighton. Don't you dare be proud to be English.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 26, 2015 10:59:53 GMT
So fascists then are you a member of UAF by any chance You and your mate Kinetic are the very reason why I don't bother on here much anymore. This board has been hijacked by the fascist right. Shocking really. And no I don't belong to UAF...years ago I was a member of the ANL. Are you EDL as well as Kinetic then? Or perhaps just another thick fascist? ANL the true colours come out in the end tell us about Blair Peach, or the 1993 bombing of Harrods by Red Action an off shoot of the ANL. They were really fighting fascism that day. Dunna matter about Blair Peach found the reply 35yr on and still blaming the police. socialistworker.co.uk/art/37978/35+years+since+they+murdered+Blair+Peach,+cops+still+get+away+with+murder
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 26, 2015 18:53:32 GMT
Which bit of "I denounce any violence on the basis of race or religion" do you not understand? You still haven't answered the question in my originial post, which is this- How come the UAF and similar far-left groups are nowhere to be seen when we have demonstrations held by sections of the Muslim community expressing their hatred of democracy, Jews, homosexuals, Christians etc? Where were they when Galloway was expressing anti-Semitic comments in Bradford? I didn't ask what your stance was personally so stop raising strawmen and try and shed some light on this blatant hypocrisy. It seems that you condone thuggery if you agree with the politics of the people handing out the slaps. To me, that makes YOU the fascist. Galloway may be may things but anti-semitic no. Anti Zionist yes. There is a massive difference. As for why far left groups don't turn up I have no idea as again on a personal level I would find it abhorrent.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 26, 2015 18:58:00 GMT
See that's exactly how I feel about the Right - thankfully we both have the chance to say so But seriously, it's a LONG time since we had fighting left wing mobs on the streets, no? Like a generation ago. Whereas right wing rioters have been pretty regular events... the only socialists making any noise locally ran a great community campaign to save Fenton Town Hall, and peacefully failed to stop the Civic Offices leaving Stoke town centre. I'd hardly call those fucking mobs full of wankers - honestly would you? Really ? EDL Rally in Dudley a mth ago 30 arrested the Birmingham Mail reports it as 30 arrests at EDL rally the EDL put a freedom of information request guess what only 3 of them arrests were EDL members ?? All the rest the violent left. Don't believe the headlines. Every St Georges day here is Brighton. Don't you dare be proud to be English. Can I ask then, would you have jailed the people who literally fought the fascists down in brick lane all those years ago?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 26, 2015 18:59:32 GMT
You and your mate Kinetic are the very reason why I don't bother on here much anymore. This board has been hijacked by the fascist right. Shocking really. And no I don't belong to UAF...years ago I was a member of the ANL. Are you EDL as well as Kinetic then? Or perhaps just another thick fascist? ANL the true colours come out in the end tell us about Blair Peach, or the 1993 bombing of Harrods by Red Action an off shoot of the ANL. They were really fighting fascism that day. Dunna matter about Blair Peach found the reply 35yr on and still blaming the police. socialistworker.co.uk/art/37978/35+years+since+they+murdered+Blair+Peach,+cops+still+get+away+with+murder Well yes, Blair Peach was murdered by the police mate. AS for the other lot, never heard of them and if true I'd condemn it.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 26, 2015 19:52:19 GMT
You still haven't answered the question in my originial post, which is this- How come the UAF and similar far-left groups are nowhere to be seen when we have demonstrations held by sections of the Muslim community expressing their hatred of democracy, Jews, homosexuals, Christians etc? Where were they when Galloway was expressing anti-Semitic comments in Bradford? I didn't ask what your stance was personally so stop raising strawmen and try and shed some light on this blatant hypocrisy. It seems that you condone thuggery if you agree with the politics of the people handing out the slaps. To me, that makes YOU the fascist. Galloway may be may things but anti-semitic no. Anti Zionist yes. There is a massive difference. As for why far left groups don't turn up I have no idea as again on a personal level I would find it abhorrent. I beg to differ when he speaks of Bradford being a non Israeli city he is not speaking of Zionists or he would say Bradford is a non Zionist city. I am not a religious fella but you have remember the implications what does the Bible, Tora and even the Quran say about the Children of Israel = Jewish. I would say he needs pick his speech's a little more carefully but its no accident he's a straight out racist towards Jews. You must have seen the videos of him cozying up with Hamas and Hezbollah at every opportunity ?? Just to remind you what article 7 of the Hamas covenant says about Jews. Seems owreet ta me.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 26, 2015 19:55:54 GMT
Really ? EDL Rally in Dudley a mth ago 30 arrested the Birmingham Mail reports it as 30 arrests at EDL rally the EDL put a freedom of information request guess what only 3 of them arrests were EDL members ?? All the rest the violent left. Don't believe the headlines. Every St Georges day here is Brighton. Don't you dare be proud to be English. Can I ask then, would you have jailed the people who literally fought the fascists down in brick lane all those years ago? Of course not just saying every thing isn't black and white scum elements in any group its human nature. Yet you seem have no problem making sweeping statements when it comes to anything remotely right wing.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 26, 2015 19:58:58 GMT
ANL the true colours come out in the end tell us about Blair Peach, or the 1993 bombing of Harrods by Red Action an off shoot of the ANL. They were really fighting fascism that day. Dunna matter about Blair Peach found the reply 35yr on and still blaming the police. socialistworker.co.uk/art/37978/35+years+since+they+murdered+Blair+Peach,+cops+still+get+away+with+murder Well yes, Blair Peach was murdered by the police mate. AS for the other lot, never heard of them and if true I'd condemn it. Police say different and maybe it was the polices fault I don't know wasn't there I have seen how heavy handed police tactics lead to riots. Most of you on this board must have done your all football fans ?? What you can not deny though is there was a riot when Blair Peach drew his last.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 26, 2015 20:02:30 GMT
I'm no expert (Infact I'm as far from one as you could get, so someone feel free to correct me) But I always thought as Zionists & Israel were 'linked'? You could think Zionists are scum but it doesn't mean you hate all Jews, kinda like how you can think Sunni Muslim extremists are scum but it doesn't mean you hate all of Islam. Likewise you can be a Muslim without being an extremist, just like you can be a Jew without being a Zionist? ... Or summat along them lines anyroad, is that lot right or wrong? One of you clever folk enlighten me
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Post by mermaidsal on Mar 26, 2015 20:23:27 GMT
See that's exactly how I feel about the Right - thankfully we both have the chance to say so But seriously, it's a LONG time since we had fighting left wing mobs on the streets, no? Like a generation ago. Whereas right wing rioters have been pretty regular events... the only socialists making any noise locally ran a great community campaign to save Fenton Town Hall, and peacefully failed to stop the Civic Offices leaving Stoke town centre. I'd hardly call those fucking mobs full of wankers - honestly would you? Really ? EDL Rally in Dudley a mth ago 30 arrested the Birmingham Mail reports it as 30 arrests at EDL rally the EDL put a freedom of information request guess what only 3 of them arrests were EDL members ?? All the rest the violent left. Don't believe the headlines. Every St Georges day here is Brighton. Don't you dare be proud to be English. Like Huddy says, they were FIGHTING BACK. I too would be proud to fight against fascism if that's what it took - although personally I don't think the EDL are worth more than laughing at, there are bigger enemies.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 26, 2015 20:27:29 GMT
Well yes, Blair Peach was murdered by the police mate. AS for the other lot, never heard of them and if true I'd condemn it. Police say different and maybe it was the polices fault I don't know wasn't there I have seen how heavy handed police tactics lead to riots. Most of you on this board must have done your all football fans ?? What you can not deny though is there was a riot when Blair Peach drew his last. The police have never been any different they seem to think they are above the law at times, the riot that day was instigated by left wing activists I believe, pretty sure Blaire Peach belonged to such a group, that said the police have no rights to use excessive force against protesters if they themselves have not been attacked, provocation is no excuse not sure what happened that day to cause the police to behave in such a way.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 26, 2015 20:35:19 GMT
Really ? EDL Rally in Dudley a mth ago 30 arrested the Birmingham Mail reports it as 30 arrests at EDL rally the EDL put a freedom of information request guess what only 3 of them arrests were EDL members ?? All the rest the violent left. Don't believe the headlines. Every St Georges day here is Brighton. Don't you dare be proud to be English. Like Huddy says, they were FIGHTING BACK. I too would be proud to fight against fascism if that's what it took - although personally I don't think the EDL are worth more than laughing at, there are bigger enemies. Defiantly bigger enemies in this country let alone the world than the EDL Sal. organised paedophile gangs all over the country praying on young vulnerable children is a prime example, there are many others as I am sure you are aware as are the authorities who seem incapable of dealing with them, very worrying for future generations let's hope we get a government who will have the backbone and fortitude to grasp the nettle for the sake of all of us.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 26, 2015 20:35:43 GMT
Really ? EDL Rally in Dudley a mth ago 30 arrested the Birmingham Mail reports it as 30 arrests at EDL rally the EDL put a freedom of information request guess what only 3 of them arrests were EDL members ?? All the rest the violent left. Don't believe the headlines. Every St Georges day here is Brighton. Don't you dare be proud to be English. Like Huddy says, they were FIGHTING BACK. I too would be proud to fight against fascism if that's what it took - although personally I don't think the EDL are worth more than laughing at, there are bigger enemies. Fighting back against what though ? someone wanting fly the St Georges cross on St Georges day. Doesn't seem a very just battle to me.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 26, 2015 21:00:17 GMT
I'm no expert (Infact I'm as far from one as you could get, so someone feel free to correct me) But I always thought as Zionists & Israel were 'linked'? You could think Zionists are scum but it doesn't mean you hate all Jews, kinda like how you can think Sunni Muslim extremists are scum but it doesn't mean you hate all of Islam. Likewise you can be a Muslim without being an extremist, just like you can be a Jew without being a Zionist? ... Or summat along them lines anyroad, is that lot right or wrong? One of you clever folk enlighten me Anyone can be a Zionist you just have to believe and I mean really believe word for word they get most their coin from the Christian Evangelicals in the States no surprises there I will stand up for Israel all day long the Jews need a homeland even more so how Europe is going to shit. The Zionist movement though and some of the actions of the Israeli armed forces they are indefensible. It worries me what's going happen. Cause arguably the only functioning democracy in the M East is run by Zionists and so long as the other side keep up with their part of the bargain it isn't going change any time soon.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 26, 2015 21:05:41 GMT
I will stand up for Israel all day long the Jews need a homeland I don't get that bit. Are you saying Jewish people should have a piece of the Earth where only they can go? I know that Muslims have got one at Mecca, but what about Christians, should they have a piece of the Earth only for them? How about Athiests? Surely women deserve a piece of the Earth only for them? (And no, I'm not talking about the kitchen!) Seems a strange thing to me, religions needing a 'homeland'.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 26, 2015 21:07:23 GMT
Like Huddy says, they were FIGHTING BACK. I too would be proud to fight against fascism if that's what it took - although personally I don't think the EDL are worth more than laughing at, there are bigger enemies. Fighting back against what though ? someone wanting fly the St Georges cross on St Georges day. Doesn't seem a very just battle to me. Would be dragon slayers perhaps
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Post by kinetic on Mar 26, 2015 21:27:14 GMT
I will stand up for Israel all day long the Jews need a homeland I don't get that bit. Are you saying Jewish people should have a piece of the Earth where only they can go? I know that Muslims have got one at Mecca, but what about Christians, should they have a piece of the Earth only for them? How about Athiests? Surely women deserve a piece of the Earth only for them? (And no, I'm not talking about the kitchen!) Seems a strange thing to me, religions needing a 'homeland'. Israel was open to anyone not so much any more !! I think its something like 30% of the IDF are Arab Muslims ?? They don't tell ya that to often. They don't say much good about Israel what you need watch mate is first comes Saturday then comes Sunday it's on youtube see what the minority's of Egypt and Lebanon have say about Israel. There's part one
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Post by mermaidsal on Mar 26, 2015 21:53:20 GMT
Fighting back against what though ? someone wanting fly the St Georges cross on St Georges day. Doesn't seem a very just battle to me. Would be dragon slayers perhaps Fighting against fascists, racists, bigots and thugs perhaps?
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Post by kinetic on Mar 26, 2015 22:25:55 GMT
Would be dragon slayers perhaps Fighting against fascists, racists, bigots and thugs perhaps? Aye like Dudley got plans being pushed through at the highest level cause the people of Dudley don't want it. So off to central government Dudley planning department refused it twice !! Ya know the Mosque with its big minaret built on high ground anyway with it's Friday call to prayer blasting out People of Dudley dunna want it. Its a sign of intent. Look out for the fascist though. That last EDL rally in Dudley vast majority from Dudley 1500 turned up middle of winter to get attacked by the looney left.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 26, 2015 22:43:49 GMT
Would be dragon slayers perhaps Fighting against fascists, racists, bigots and thugs perhaps? By the use of physical violence 8-|who are the real thugs in this case, debatable point at the very least Sal but there you go, interesting to see if the gang handing out the beating of this one individual alleged racist, bigot thug were charged with assault offences, there in lies the reality of life in England today.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 26, 2015 22:54:19 GMT
Fighting back against what though ? someone wanting fly the St Georges cross on St Georges day. Doesn't seem a very just battle to me. Would be dragon slayers perhaps It's a metaphor for something ?? We all know dragons don't exist. What was it ??
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Post by kinetic on Mar 26, 2015 22:59:50 GMT
Fighting against fascists, racists, bigots and thugs perhaps? By the use of physical violence 8-|who are the real thugs in this case, debatable point at the very least Sal but there you go, interesting to see if the gang handing out the beating of this one individual alleged racist, bigot thug were charged with assault offences, there in lies the reality of life in England today. Kicked unconscious but it's ok he's white. See the Police do nothing ??
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 26, 2015 23:42:24 GMT
By the use of physical violence 8-|who are the real thugs in this case, debatable point at the very least Sal but there you go, interesting to see if the gang handing out the beating of this one individual alleged racist, bigot thug were charged with assault offences, there in lies the reality of life in England today. Kicked unconscious but it's ok he's white. See the Police do nothing ?? The police are there to serve and protect whilst drawing a huge salary they will dance to whatever tune the piper pays.
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Post by mermaidsal on Mar 27, 2015 0:17:52 GMT
Kins and carps, this is a serious question - so given your views, which way can you vote in the General Election? And this isn't a loaded question I'm just interested, did you vote BNP last time (no shame if you did, it's a free country)?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 27, 2015 7:15:51 GMT
Kins and carps, this is a serious question - so given your views, which way can you vote in the General Election? And this isn't a loaded question I'm just interested, did you vote BNP last time (no shame if you did, it's a free country)? I will vote as I normally do in a booth at a local venue to ensure privacy , as for who I voted for last time well that is between me and the ballot box .
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 27, 2015 8:07:25 GMT
Well yes, Blair Peach was murdered by the police mate. AS for the other lot, never heard of them and if true I'd condemn it. Police say different and maybe it was the polices fault I don't know wasn't there I have seen how heavy handed police tactics lead to riots. Most of you on this board must have done your all football fans ?? What you can not deny though is there was a riot when Blair Peach drew his last. Takes about 15 seconds to find the admission from the police that they were responsible for the death of Blair Peach. Blair Peach: After 31 years Met police say 'sorry' for their role in his killingSeeing as you seem more than proficient in trawling the web to find negative stories about Islam to support your promotion of islamophobia, Interesting that you're content to sit in ingnorance on the circumstances and the culpability of the police in the murder of a civilian. I guess if it had been a Muslim who'd killed Blair Peach you'd be all over that like a rash. BTW - your inference that as football supporters we're all well versed in riots is curious. Been going to football for over 40 years and I've never been in a riot (great song by the Mekons that!). I have seen some OTT heavy handed policing though - particularly from our friends in the West Midland Force. The police really struggled for a long time in the 70s and 80s in very difficult circumstances. And they messed up big time; individually on occassion (as in this case) and structurally (SPGs). That was then, this is now. No question lessons have been learned - although mistakes still happen. Some, sadly, still structural.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 27, 2015 9:49:56 GMT
Kins and carps, this is a serious question - so given your views, which way can you vote in the General Election? And this isn't a loaded question I'm just interested, did you vote BNP last time (no shame if you did, it's a free country)? Vote BNP no tar I wouldn't let em run me a bath never mind are country old Nazi Nick and his white power mantra. If this is the so called master race.. Well I am speechless. Thing is with the BNP and Radical Islam spot the difference. Both promote how they are superior to all other humans both have a devout hatred for Jews for no reason ? Both would have the LGTB community wiped out over night given half the chance. No good riddance to the BNP/NF they don't represent me. That's why I have never voted don't think anyone represents me ?? I like what Farage has to say so come May his party can have my X. Not that I hold any hope of change if they do get any sort of power I reckon UKIP will be down the local mosque waving Pakistani flags with the rest of em.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 27, 2015 10:49:32 GMT
Police say different and maybe it was the polices fault I don't know wasn't there I have seen how heavy handed police tactics lead to riots. Most of you on this board must have done your all football fans ?? What you can not deny though is there was a riot when Blair Peach drew his last. Takes about 15 seconds to find the admission from the police that they were responsible for the death of Blair Peach. Blair Peach: After 31 years Met police say 'sorry' for their role in his killingSeeing as you seem more than proficient in trawling the web to find negative stories about Islam to support your promotion of islamophobia, Interesting that you're content to sit in ingnorance on the circumstances and the culpability of the police in the murder of a civilian. I guess if it had been a Muslim who'd killed Blair Peach you'd be all over that like a rash. BTW - your inference that as football supporters we're all well versed in riots is curious. Been going to football for over 40 years and I've never been in a riot (great song by the Mekons that!). I have seen some OTT heavy handed policing though - particularly from our friends in the West Midland Force. The police really struggled for a long time in the 70s and 80s in very difficult circumstances. And they messed up big time; individually on occassion (as in this case) and structurally (SPGs). That was then, this is now. No question lessons have been learned - although mistakes still happen. Some, sadly, still structural. I don't know guess the only people who do know one is dead and the other wont talk so its all hear say. Undeniably the evidence points at the police. But lets not kid are self's that Blair was of for a Sunday picnic down the park. Doesn't make it any less of a crime just saying when we went Bradford we all knew there was a very strong likely hood we take a kicking or worse goes with the territory. As for football ok maybe not full scale riots but you know what I am saying. I seen it with Vale Vs Wolves 2 season ago. Major police fuck up yet it gets portrayed as football hooligans ?? I have heard stories as well of Stoke games down the Brit think it was Cardiff when the Police were just charging up Stanley Matthews Way on horse back swinging batons at anyone unlucky enough get in the way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 10:50:35 GMT
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Post by kinetic on Mar 27, 2015 11:09:32 GMT
It's lost on em. That bunch of fuckwits who harassed Nigel and his family truly are the looney left. Red as a fucking brick and just as thick. You shudda seen that Dan Glass crying on the Daily Politics about how the people he supposedly represents never have a day off from Farage's hate ?? Strong words them. the irony of jumping on a old fellas car on a Sunday ?? Yet they all call them self's human rights activists. So long as we agree with you that is Stalinist head the balls.
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