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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 17, 2015 16:46:31 GMT
Just signed up and wouldn't you know it, the top thread is about a US supporters branch. Put me on the list! A likely story! You do realise that we Stokies will now brand you as a glory hunter or a Johnny come lately. That's almost as bad as being an Arsenal fan!
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Post by madnellie on Mar 17, 2015 16:54:06 GMT
Ok lads aye up? Need to know how many of you lot want to join the USA Stoke Supporters Branch. Club is asking me for approx number of members before we can go any further. Want to use this thread to gain an approximate number and then I'll contact those interested in joining soon. Hi mailman! I run the Niagara branch in Canada, and I know there's already a branch run by a lad in Baltimore, but I don't think he posts on here. As Lakeland said, it might be a great idea to all coordinate our efforts in some way?
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Mar 17, 2015 16:57:36 GMT
Another one saying it should be the 'North American Club' , signing up from Calgary, Alberta!! We already have a Canadian branch Edited to add, that half the American supporters are probably closer to you though, since we're in Niagara. I'm close to no-one in Calgary
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 17, 2015 16:59:48 GMT
We already have a Canadian branch Edited to add, that half the American supporters are probably closer to you though, since we're in Niagara. I'm close to no-one in Calgary Not true! I'm in Seattle!
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Mar 17, 2015 17:02:34 GMT
I'm close to no-one in Calgary Not true! I'm in Seattle! Effectively Stoke to Southern France as the crow flies
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Post by madnellie on Mar 17, 2015 17:05:43 GMT
We already have a Canadian branch Edited to add, that half the American supporters are probably closer to you though, since we're in Niagara. I'm close to no-one in Calgary Good point! That's rather lonely
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 17, 2015 17:08:48 GMT
Not true! I'm in Seattle! Effectively Stoke to Southern France as the crow flies You could come to the riviera and enjoy yourself now and again
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 17:11:16 GMT
I'm close to no-one in Calgary Not true! I'm in Seattle! And I am also quite often in Spokane I'm there in 2 weeks time. I'll give you a wave ! GD
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Mar 17, 2015 17:45:43 GMT
Not true! I'm in Seattle! And I am also quite often in Spokane I'm there in 2 weeks time. I'll give you a wave ! GD Mister Gumby lives directly north of there in central BC.
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Post by njpotter on Mar 17, 2015 18:01:06 GMT
Just signed up and wouldn't you know it, the top thread is about a US supporters branch. Put me on the list! A likely story! You do realise that we Stokies will now brand you as a glory hunter or a Johnny come lately. That's almost as bad as being an Arsenal fan! Glory hunters generally don't root for the miserable Mets and laughably bad Knicks
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Post by hartzchoco on Mar 17, 2015 18:21:30 GMT
Correct, wasn't really an ass kicking. Merely a narrow victory pulled off by a bunch of farmers fighting against the British military. And we couldn't have pulled it off without the French, who were still pissed at you over the Seven Years War. In fact they spent so much money helping us defeat you it led to the French Revolution. And the Native American would have better off with a British victory, unless the Brits treated them the way they treated the colonists. Then they would have been fucked either way. And the political system here definitely ties the military's hands, but it's still far and away the strongest military on the planet. And the burning of our capital was more an act of vandalism than kicking our ass in a battle. I'm pretty sure George Washington wasn't a farmer. In fact, he was a British officer, who defected to the insurgents because he was passed over for promotion. I imagine if a U.S. soldier did that today, you'd call him a traitor instead of a founding father? I think Canada is a good example of how the natives would have been treated, considering it is exactly how they were treated, which is much, much better than in the south, after all, they fought alongside the British to defeat the American invasion of 1812. And yes, the U.S has the largest and strongest military in the world that cannot win a war against a bunch of uneducated farmers in Afghanistan, with far better equipment and logistics capabilities than sailing boats across the Atlantic. So Washington was an act of vandalism? OK, so they didn't just get their ass kicked, but vandalized? Fine! I'm a member of the USA Supporters Branch for one day, and already you've got me in trouble with the Head Honch. Thanks a lot. I'm done with this. George Washington wasn't a farmer, but his 'soldiers' sure were. Yes, Canada fought alongside the British in 1812. They were a British colony. And the severe thunderstorms that put out the fires and the tornado that chased you out of the city just prove that God was on our side. OK now I'm done.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 17, 2015 18:28:07 GMT
I'm pretty sure George Washington wasn't a farmer. In fact, he was a British officer, who defected to the insurgents because he was passed over for promotion. I imagine if a U.S. soldier did that today, you'd call him a traitor instead of a founding father? I think Canada is a good example of how the natives would have been treated, considering it is exactly how they were treated, which is much, much better than in the south, after all, they fought alongside the British to defeat the American invasion of 1812. And yes, the U.S has the largest and strongest military in the world that cannot win a war against a bunch of uneducated farmers in Afghanistan, with far better equipment and logistics capabilities than sailing boats across the Atlantic. So Washington was an act of vandalism? OK, so they didn't just get their ass kicked, but vandalized? Fine! I'm a member of the USA Supporters Branch for one day, and already you've got me in trouble with the Head Honch. Thanks a lot. I'm done with this. George Washington wasn't a farmer, but his 'soldiers' sure were. Yes, Canada fought alongside the British in 1812. They were a British colony. And the severe thunderstorms that put out the fires and the tornado that chased you out of the city just prove the God was on our side. OK now I'm done.
Shame. I was enjoying the historical debate
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 17, 2015 18:28:40 GMT
Crackin work so far Sean, you'll be able to charter your own 747 at this rate for our first game next season Jimmy, If Lakeland Potter can't be the guest of honor at our first stag 'do can you make it over? Blimey !!! Im sure Lakeland would do the role justice if this genuinely gets off the ground mate If his dodgy hip starts playin up though and he cant do it, Id be more than happy to do it.......
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Post by hartzchoco on Mar 17, 2015 18:36:39 GMT
I'm a member of the USA Supporters Branch for one day, and already you've got me in trouble with the Head Honch. Thanks a lot. I'm done with this. George Washington wasn't a farmer, but his 'soldiers' sure were. Yes, Canada fought alongside the British in 1812. They were a British colony. And the severe thunderstorms that put out the fires and the tornado that chased you out of the city just prove the God was on our side. OK now I'm done.
Shame. I was enjoying the historical debate I'm sure your'e going to miss it terribly.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 17, 2015 18:38:05 GMT
Shame. I was enjoying the historical debate I'm sure your going to miss it terribly. No seriously I enjoy this shit
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Post by hartzchoco on Mar 17, 2015 18:41:32 GMT
I'm sure your going to miss it terribly. No seriously I enjoy this shit Well if Masochist wants to start a thread on it somewhere, I'll jump back in.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 17, 2015 18:43:33 GMT
No seriously I enjoy this shit Well if Masochist wants to start a thread on it somewhere, I'll jump back in. Lol. All good sport, but I for one find it interesting.
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Post by hartzchoco on Mar 17, 2015 18:44:40 GMT
A likely story! You do realise that we Stokies will now brand you as a glory hunter or a Johnny come lately. That's almost as bad as being an Arsenal fan! Glory hunters generally don't root for the miserable Mets and laughably bad Knicks Whoa. That's painful. Definitely not a glory hunter!
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 17, 2015 18:46:29 GMT
I'm a member of the USA Supporters Branch for one day, and already you've got me in trouble with the Head Honch. Thanks a lot. I'm done with this. George Washington wasn't a farmer, but his 'soldiers' sure were. Yes, Canada fought alongside the British in 1812. They were a British colony. And the severe thunderstorms that put out the fires and the tornado that chased you out of the city just prove the God was on our side. OK now I'm done.
Shame. I was enjoying the historical debate But then he started mentioning God and went into mythology and superstitious nonsense.
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 17, 2015 18:50:37 GMT
I'm pretty sure George Washington wasn't a farmer. In fact, he was a British officer, who defected to the insurgents because he was passed over for promotion. I imagine if a U.S. soldier did that today, you'd call him a traitor instead of a founding father? I think Canada is a good example of how the natives would have been treated, considering it is exactly how they were treated, which is much, much better than in the south, after all, they fought alongside the British to defeat the American invasion of 1812. And yes, the U.S has the largest and strongest military in the world that cannot win a war against a bunch of uneducated farmers in Afghanistan, with far better equipment and logistics capabilities than sailing boats across the Atlantic. So Washington was an act of vandalism? OK, so they didn't just get their ass kicked, but vandalized? Fine! I'm a member of the USA Supporters Branch for one day, and already you've got me in trouble with the Head Honch. Thanks a lot. I'm done with this. George Washington wasn't a farmer, but his 'soldiers' sure were. Yes, Canada fought alongside the British in 1812. They were a British colony. And the severe thunderstorms that put out the fires and the tornado that chased you out of the city just prove that God was on our side. OK now I'm done.
So all Canadians are Native Americans then? I'm sure that every last one of Washington's troops were farmers and he was the only soldier to join the rebels. And the British soldiers weren't farmers who joined the British ranks when they chose sides, they were born and raised as infantrymen.
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Post by hartzchoco on Mar 17, 2015 18:51:03 GMT
Shame. I was enjoying the historical debate But then he started mentioning God and went into mythology and superstitious nonsense. I USED A SMILEY FACE!!! That makes it ok.
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Post by Linx on Mar 17, 2015 18:56:38 GMT
I forget; whose capital was burned to the ground in 1814, at the same time the U.S. national anthem was composed from a British drinking song (The Anacreontic Song)? Now that was an ass kicking! And I'm pretty sure it wasn't an ass kicking from those terrorists and traitors. It was more of a logistics issue, thanks to a blockade by the French. So, you can thank the French for being able to freely commit genocide on the Native Americans, steal their land, then have a century of violent crime, an ineffective political system that ties the militaries hands behind it's back, so it can't win a war and a media that is more concerned with Justin Bieber urinating in a bucket than half the world being in a state of conflict, including WW3 brewing in Ukraine. Correct, wasn't really an ass kicking. Merely a narrow victory pulled off by a bunch of farmers fighting against the British military. And we couldn't have pulled it off without the French, who were still pissed at you over the Seven Years War. In fact they spent so much money helping us defeat you it led to the French Revolution. And the Native American would have better off with a British victory, unless the Brits treated them the way they treated the colonists. Then they would have been fucked either way. And the political system here definitely ties the military's hands, but it's still far and away the strongest military on the planet. And the burning of our capital was more an act of vandalism than kicking our ass in a battle. That's as good a summary of the War of Independence as I've read. Isn't it fair to say that, initially at least, the majority of colonists were fiercely loyal to the idea of staying 'British' and were mainly in dispute over political suffrage and had no intention of forming an independent nation? It was the intransigent response of Lord North and King George III that forced them down the independence route. British parliament just did not take them seriously and acted with prejudice and contempt, which just exacerbated the situation and led more and more colonists to listen to the revolutionary writings and rhetoric of the more 'extreme' local politicos. Also, over a third of the British army in North America were actually Germans, recruited from Hanoverian territories in Europe.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 17, 2015 18:59:40 GMT
But then he started mentioning God and went into mythology and superstitious nonsense. I USED A SMILEY FACE!!! That makes it ok. That's more like it
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Post by hartzchoco on Mar 17, 2015 19:00:19 GMT
I'm a member of the USA Supporters Branch for one day, and already you've got me in trouble with the Head Honch. Thanks a lot. I'm done with this. George Washington wasn't a farmer, but his 'soldiers' sure were. Yes, Canada fought alongside the British in 1812. They were a British colony. And the severe thunderstorms that put out the fires and the tornado that chased you out of the city just prove that God was on our side. OK now I'm done.
So all Canadians are Native Americans then? I'm sure that every last one of Washington's troops were farmers and he was the only soldier to join the rebels. And the British soldiers weren't farmers who joined the British ranks when they chose sides, they were born and raised as infantrymen. Some Redcoats were raw recruits, yes. But many if not most joined the ranks as boys and saw action in wars with the French.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 17, 2015 19:06:03 GMT
Correct, wasn't really an ass kicking. Merely a narrow victory pulled off by a bunch of farmers fighting against the British military. And we couldn't have pulled it off without the French, who were still pissed at you over the Seven Years War. In fact they spent so much money helping us defeat you it led to the French Revolution. And the Native American would have better off with a British victory, unless the Brits treated them the way they treated the colonists. Then they would have been fucked either way. And the political system here definitely ties the military's hands, but it's still far and away the strongest military on the planet. And the burning of our capital was more an act of vandalism than kicking our ass in a battle. That's as good a summary of the War of Independence as I've read. Isn't it fair to say that, initially at least, the majority of colonists were fiercely loyal to the idea of staying 'British' and were mainly in dispute over political suffrage and had no intention of forming an independent nation? It was the intransigent response of Lord North and King George III that forced them down the independence route. British parliament just did not take them seriously and acted with prejudice and contempt, which just exacerbated the situation and led more and more colonists to listen to the revolutionary writings and rhetoric of the more 'extreme' local politicos. Also, over a third of the British army in North America were actually Germans, recruited from Hanoverian territories in Europe. This disproves Lakelands post on Education surely.
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Post by hartzchoco on Mar 17, 2015 19:09:21 GMT
Correct, wasn't really an ass kicking. Merely a narrow victory pulled off by a bunch of farmers fighting against the British military. And we couldn't have pulled it off without the French, who were still pissed at you over the Seven Years War. In fact they spent so much money helping us defeat you it led to the French Revolution. And the Native American would have better off with a British victory, unless the Brits treated them the way they treated the colonists. Then they would have been fucked either way. And the political system here definitely ties the military's hands, but it's still far and away the strongest military on the planet. And the burning of our capital was more an act of vandalism than kicking our ass in a battle. That's as good a summary of the War of Independence as I've read. Isn't it fair to say that, initially at least, the majority of colonists were fiercely loyal to the idea of staying 'British' and were mainly in dispute over political suffrage and had no intention of forming an independent nation? It was the intransigent response of Lord North and King George III that forced them down the independence route. British parliament just did not take them seriously and acted with prejudice and contempt, which just exacerbated the situation and led more and more colonists to listen to the revolutionary writings and rhetoric of the more 'extreme' local politicos. Also, over a third of the British army in North America were actually Germans, recruited from Hanoverian territories in Europe. 'Mercenaries', as they were called by the American Patriots.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 17, 2015 19:15:21 GMT
Correct, wasn't really an ass kicking. Merely a narrow victory pulled off by a bunch of farmers fighting against the British military. And we couldn't have pulled it off without the French, who were still pissed at you over the Seven Years War. In fact they spent so much money helping us defeat you it led to the French Revolution. And the Native American would have better off with a British victory, unless the Brits treated them the way they treated the colonists. Then they would have been fucked either way. And the political system here definitely ties the military's hands, but it's still far and away the strongest military on the planet. And the burning of our capital was more an act of vandalism than kicking our ass in a battle. That's as good a summary of the War of Independence as I've read. Isn't it fair to say that, initially at least, the majority of colonists were fiercely loyal to the idea of staying 'British' and were mainly in dispute over political suffrage and had no intention of forming an independent nation? It was the intransigent response of Lord North and King George III that forced them down the independence route. British parliament just did not take them seriously and acted with prejudice and contempt, which just exacerbated the situation and led more and more colonists to listen to the revolutionary writings and rhetoric of the more 'extreme' local politicos. Also, over a third of the British army in North America were actually Germans, recruited from Hanoverian territories in Europe. You would make a very good History teacher. Bet you would retire at 55 though....
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Post by Linx on Mar 17, 2015 19:24:38 GMT
That's as good a summary of the War of Independence as I've read. Isn't it fair to say that, initially at least, the majority of colonists were fiercely loyal to the idea of staying 'British' and were mainly in dispute over political suffrage and had no intention of forming an independent nation? It was the intransigent response of Lord North and King George III that forced them down the independence route. British parliament just did not take them seriously and acted with prejudice and contempt, which just exacerbated the situation and led more and more colonists to listen to the revolutionary writings and rhetoric of the more 'extreme' local politicos. Also, over a third of the British army in North America were actually Germans, recruited from Hanoverian territories in Europe. 'Mercenaries', as they were called by the American Patriots. And 'Hessians' after the kingdom of Hesse, where quite a few originated from. A lot of contemporary writings refer to the Hessians, who were feared for their military competence and ruthlessness, particularly the cavalry detachments. I believe quite a few stayed behind after the war and bought land with their army pensions, becoming the first strain of strong German heritage in the USA's melting pot. On a separate point, one thing that always impresses me about Americans is their knowledge of their country's history. They seem much better informed than their average British counterpart's knowledge of UK history. Which suits me down the ground as a history geek and complete Americanophile (nowt dodgy, mind ).
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 17, 2015 19:28:04 GMT
'Mercenaries', as they were called by the American Patriots. And 'Hessians' after the kingdom of Hesse, where quite a few originated from. A lot of contemporary writings refer to the Hessians, who were feared for their military competence and ruthlessness, particularly the cavalry detachments. I believe quite a few stayed behind after the war and bought land with their army pensions, becoming the first strain of strong German heritage in the USA's melting pot. On a separate point, one thing that always impresses me about Americans is their knowledge of their country's history. They seem much better informed than their average British counterpart's knowledge of UK history. Which suits me down the ground as a history geek and complete Americanophile (nowt dodgy, mind ). That's because American history is about 5 minutes old and UK history pre-dates the Romans.
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Post by Linx on Mar 17, 2015 19:27:55 GMT
That's as good a summary of the War of Independence as I've read. Isn't it fair to say that, initially at least, the majority of colonists were fiercely loyal to the idea of staying 'British' and were mainly in dispute over political suffrage and had no intention of forming an independent nation? It was the intransigent response of Lord North and King George III that forced them down the independence route. British parliament just did not take them seriously and acted with prejudice and contempt, which just exacerbated the situation and led more and more colonists to listen to the revolutionary writings and rhetoric of the more 'extreme' local politicos. Also, over a third of the British army in North America were actually Germans, recruited from Hanoverian territories in Europe. You would make a very good History teacher. Bet you would retire at 55 though.... I am actually an English teacher, with a degree in English Lit and American Studies. Got my eye on 58 or so, I call it 2020 vision, which is the year I'll be 58.
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