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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 14:43:06 GMT
Re. Transfers.
I think people need to look long term as well as the short term. There is a chance we could lose Hughes due to lack of investment. There is also a chance he's learned his lesson from Fulham. Who knows on that score.
My own personal worry is that the beg, steal and borrow mentality gets deep rooted into the ethos of the club and it bounces from manager to manager.
I have no worries about the ability of Hughes to get results regardless of money spent, and there is always that satisfaction of getting a player or two much below transfer market value.
No two managers are the same though and what happens if we have to replace Hughes with someone who can't operate on a limited budget?
It could seriously damage the club long term.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 9, 2015 14:45:17 GMT
Re. Transfers. I think people need to look long term as well as the short term. There is a chance we could lose Hughes due to lack of investment. There is also a chance he's learned his lesson from Fulham. Who knows on that score. My own personal worry is that the beg, steal and borrow mentality gets deep rooted into the ethos of the club and it bounces from manager to manager. I have no worries about the ability of Hughes to get results regardless of money spent, and there is always that satisfaction of getting a player or two much below transfer market value. No two managers are the same though and what happens if we have to replace Hughes with someone who can't operate on a limited budget? It could seriously damage the club long term. Hopefully if Coates/the family want to keep going that way they'll look for a manager that has a track record of it, rather than just hoping anyone could do it, I'm pretty sure they would do their research.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 14:49:09 GMT
Re. Transfers. I think people need to look long term as well as the short term. There is a chance we could lose Hughes due to lack of investment. There is also a chance he's learned his lesson from Fulham. Who knows on that score. My own personal worry is that the beg, steal and borrow mentality gets deep rooted into the ethos of the club and it bounces from manager to manager. I have no worries about the ability of Hughes to get results regardless of money spent, and there is always that satisfaction of getting a player or two much below transfer market value. No two managers are the same though and what happens if we have to replace Hughes with someone who can't operate on a limited budget? It could seriously damage the club long term. Hopefully if Coates/the family want to keep going that way they'll look for a manager that has a track record of it, rather than just hoping anyone could do it, I'm pretty sure they would do their research. I considered that point before making mine. I'm sure they would. Good luck to them and us if that is the way we are going long term.
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Post by foster on Mar 9, 2015 15:32:12 GMT
Yeah they spent that much on one player but over the past 5 or 6 seasons prior to this one they've made more through selling players than what they've spent on buying them. We on the other hand have pretty much broken even this season and last whilst spending a lot more than what we received in the seasons prior to that. They spent that much on a player but they also received more from the Fellaini sale. We spent 18m just for Crouch. crouch was 10m wasn't he?? I'm not counting Palacios
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 9, 2015 15:58:07 GMT
Do you think he would go? He does seem like a good option for them at the moment. I would hope he would stay and be loyal to us, given we have helped him ressurect his career. I would certainly be worried if they did. Can't see them sacking Martinez or, in the unlikely event that they did, Hughsey wouldn't go there. He's building something good at Stoke and wouldn't want to take a backwards step.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 9, 2015 16:19:57 GMT
Everton wouldn't be perceived as a backwards step though.
I think Martinez will last the season but won't survive a dodgy start to next season. Their fans are fast losing patience with him and when the fans turn there's seldom a way back.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 9, 2015 16:36:27 GMT
Where me be in Everton of Stoke. Why the question. Mark and the team have had the problems at QPR Mark and the team "IN THE MEDIA" - "Oh this is him last chance, stoke on Trent, it's last chance saloon for sparkle" NO ITS NOT HOWEVER He will want to leave something at stoke, he will want to leave having done summat, he is still building and trasbforining here So the answer is NO AND BO NO I really miss the days when I could go trasboforining :| the gear just doesn't seem to fit me anymore.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 9, 2015 16:50:34 GMT
If Everton came in for Hughes, and I don't think they would even if they did have a vacancy, you have to question if he would stay with us. I'm sure he's happy here, but his previous conduct suggests he will walk away if he thinks there's something better on offer. Maybe, and hopefully, he has learned his lessons from doing this previously, but until someone comes in for him we don't know.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 9, 2015 16:53:24 GMT
What is better on offer concerning Everton though?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 9, 2015 16:56:49 GMT
What is better on offer concerning Everton though? Bigger club, bigger potential, bigger budget, greater history...
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Post by werrington on Mar 9, 2015 17:00:01 GMT
What is better on offer concerning Everton though? Bigger club, bigger potential, bigger budget, greater history... But apart from that Rob What have the Romans done for us ?
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 9, 2015 17:01:09 GMT
What is better on offer concerning Everton though? Bigger club, bigger potential, bigger budget, greater history... At this moment in time, I really don't know about any of that at all.
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Post by mystokebadge on Mar 9, 2015 17:02:28 GMT
IF they sack their manager and I would have thought if at all it would be at the end of the season,Hughes by then will be hopefully on a 3 year deal.Although the prem league is now like a soap opera I can not see this happening.
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 9, 2015 17:05:30 GMT
Bigger club, bigger potential, bigger budget, greater history... At this moment in time, I really don't know about any of that at all. We'd be pissing ourselves if an opposition fan said that. Everton are a much bigger club than us.
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Post by werrington on Mar 9, 2015 17:07:30 GMT
Kenwright isn't a sacking owner and there's nothing in the press to suggest his job is under pressure
I wouldn't worry
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 9, 2015 17:08:36 GMT
Bigger club, bigger potential, bigger budget, greater history... At this moment in time, I really don't know about any of that at all. What's the other side of the argument? They're having a ropey season (and are still in decent shape in Europe for all that). Does that really negate everything else?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 9, 2015 17:09:16 GMT
Kenwright isn't a sacking owner and there's nothing in the press to suggest his job is under pressure I wouldn't worry If they start poorly next season and there are open calls for his head he won't survive Wez, no chance. Few managers do.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 9, 2015 17:09:37 GMT
At this moment in time, I really don't know about any of that at all. We'd be pissing ourselves if an opposition fan said that. Everton are a much bigger club than us. It what way. In that they draw more gate receipts. In that our former player coach gave them some success many years ago....
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Post by werrington on Mar 9, 2015 17:12:02 GMT
Kenwright isn't a sacking owner and there's nothing in the press to suggest his job is under pressure I wouldn't worry If they start poorly next season and there are open calls for his head he won't survive Wez, no chance. Few managers do. Moyes was under pressure on numerus occasions mate and had supporter discontent but they stiuck with him Martinez will go nowhere
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 9, 2015 17:14:23 GMT
If they start poorly next season and there are open calls for his head he won't survive Wez, no chance. Few managers do. Moyes was under pressure on numerus occasions mate and had supporter discontent but they stiuck with him Martinez will go nowhere He always vindicated that faith though mate...
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 9, 2015 17:15:52 GMT
We'd be pissing ourselves if an opposition fan said that. Everton are a much bigger club than us. It what way. In that they draw more gate receipts. In that our former player coach gave them some success many years ago.... In that they get bigger crowds, have had a lot more success, usually finish above us in the league, are one of the bigger clubs in the division, pay bigger transfer fees and wages...
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Post by werrington on Mar 9, 2015 17:17:16 GMT
Moyes was under pressure on numerus occasions mate and had supporter discontent but they stiuck with him Martinez will go nowhere He always vindicated that faith though mate... As will Martinez Rob One brilliant season and one poor one will not be enough to see him sacked so they'll stick with him next season mate
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 9, 2015 17:17:56 GMT
At this moment in time, I really don't know about any of that at all. What's the other side of the argument? They're having a ropey season (and are still in decent shape in Europe for all that). Does that really negate everything else? What else is there now though. Gate receipts v tv revenue renderers them virtually insignificant. They have a more successful history, but that is just that, history. And apart from Lakaku, I don't remember them being a big spending club.
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Post by werrington on Mar 9, 2015 17:19:21 GMT
If Everton had a new stadium in place they would be huge as it would attract investment galore
I don't think folk realise how big Everton actually are
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Post by str8outtahampton on Mar 9, 2015 17:20:05 GMT
We'd be pissing ourselves if an opposition fan said that. Everton are a much bigger club than us. It what way. In that they draw more gate receipts. In that our former player coach gave them some success many years ago.... They are a bigger club than us in any way you care to measure it. Put it a different way. Imagine Man Utd are the Selfridge's food hall. Man City are Waitrose. Everton are Sainsbury's. We are LiDL. And nothing wrong with that, by the way.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 9, 2015 17:22:21 GMT
What's the other side of the argument? They're having a ropey season (and are still in decent shape in Europe for all that). Does that really negate everything else? What else is there now though. Gate receipts v tv revenue renderers them virtually insignificant. They have a more successful history, but that is just that, history. And apart from Lakaku, I don't remember them being a big spending club. The fees they've spent on individual players in the last decade have fairly routinely been higher than our record transfer fee. They've regularly qualified for Europe this century (including last season) so it's recent history as well as generally. By virtually any measure they're a bigger club.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 9, 2015 17:23:12 GMT
He always vindicated that faith though mate... As will Martinez Rob One brilliant season and one poor one will not be enough to see him sacked so they'll stick with him next season mate I'm not convinced he will mate. We'll see.
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Post by ihaveadream on Mar 9, 2015 17:24:47 GMT
As long as Hughes doesn't hide in any bins he will be safe
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 9, 2015 17:25:03 GMT
It what way. In that they draw more gate receipts. In that our former player coach gave them some success many years ago.... They are a bigger club than us in any way you care to measure it. Put it a different way. Imagine Man Utd are the Selfridge's food hall. Man City are Waitrose. Wverton are Sainsbury's. We are LiDL. And nothing wrong with that, by the way. Man City are Waitrose now but used to be the bloody corner shop. That is the point, it is a moveable feast.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 9, 2015 17:26:54 GMT
They are a bigger club than us in any way you care to measure it. Put it a different way. Imagine Man Utd are the Selfridge's food hall. Man City are Waitrose. Wverton are Sainsbury's. We are LiDL. And nothing wrong with that, by the way. Man City are Waitrose now but used to be the bloody corner shop. That is the point, it is a moveable feast. There's a pretty significant reason why that changed though and no signs of our shop coming in to such a transformative extent.
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